So you want to be a NY Corporate Associate? Forum

[lurker816]

i see this shit a lot on TLS but telling people who are unsure about law to go try it out by being a paralegal is a horrible fucking advice. once you get labeled as a paralegal it becomes SUPER HARD to get another job. it's like a BA undergrad equivalent of trying to get a non-law job with a JD on your resume.

I have not found that to be true at all. Paralegal skills translate well into a variety of generic corporate jobs that are looking for generic skills (attention to detail, working in a high stress environment with unpredictable and inflexible deadlines, teamwork, etc.) A lot of it is how well you self yourself.

Their post-firm outcomes seem really random, but aside from law I've only seen paralegals - with good college backgrounds - move regularly to marketing and HR.

I've seen people successfully go all kinds of places, from consulting, to publishing, to tech, to leaving corporate life and going into the arts, teaching or social services, but I realize it's only anecdotal. Telling someone to be a paralegal certainly isn't horrible advice, but neither is it particularly good advice - it's just run-of-the-mill.

I personally went into non-legal policy and could stay here if I wanted to, and most of the other people I worked with who didn't go to law school either went into tech or finance - anecdotal evidence as well, sure, but backed up by real humans.

[Danger Zone]

I'm not an expert but I think the current tech bubble will burst in the next 5 years or so. too much money has been invested in start ups by people and companies that think they bought the next airbnb, uber, fb etc. etc. This is not the 2000s but i think its still a bubble.

Software engineering, programming, network engineering, etc... is not just limited to tech companies. Just about every company of any size has a technical department. They have software engineers, QA testers, project managers, business analysts, etc. banks, retail, manufacturing, government, etc. They all need the same skills as the tech companies you are thinking of. And they all have to pay competitively in order to attract talent.

There are plenty of jobs inside of tech that are not directly programming. Project management or business analyst is something that I could see many ex-lawyers attempt, as long as they are not tech-phobic.

I recently did a job change to a major retail company. $10 billion plus in revenues. They had to offer me the same market rate that I was getting at Microsoft. In fact, the retail company offered a better stock and bonus plan than Microsoft. Total compensation is more than I made at Microsoft with a faster vesting schedule on the stock grants.

So don't limit your vision of "tech" to just tech companies. It is much broader than that. Every company of any size views their tech department as a competitive necessity.

I got out of the legal industry in my late 20s and never regretted it. I found this topic via a link on another website. (JDU) I have not posted here in years.

I don't want people to get the idea that tech is easy and everyone should do a code boot camp. It is not that easy. Most people cannot get their brain wrapped around C# or SQL. But you don't have to. There are plenty of business roles also linked to the overall tech economy. You don't have to sling code. Project management may not pay as well, but it still is in the $100,000 range after a few years and can lead into senior management.

Sql guy: what languages do you recommend learning? What languages apply to what types of jobs? What kind of positions would someone with zero programming background, other than what they teach themselves, be eligible for? How do you get experience if nothing in your background screams tech?

Sorry for all the questions but I'm extremely curious

Bumping already because today has been an especially shitty day and it's not even close to over. Please get me out of this life.

[Otunga]

I'm not an expert but I think the current tech bubble will burst in the next 5 years or so. too much money has been invested in start ups by people and companies that think they bought the next airbnb, uber, fb etc. etc. This is not the 2000s but i think its still a bubble.

Software engineering, programming, network engineering, etc... is not just limited to tech companies. Just about every company of any size has a technical department. They have software engineers, QA testers, project managers, business analysts, etc. banks, retail, manufacturing, government, etc. They all need the same skills as the tech companies you are thinking of. And they all have to pay competitively in order to attract talent.

There are plenty of jobs inside of tech that are not directly programming. Project management or business analyst is something that I could see many ex-lawyers attempt, as long as they are not tech-phobic.

I recently did a job change to a major retail company. $10 billion plus in revenues. They had to offer me the same market rate that I was getting at Microsoft. In fact, the retail company offered a better stock and bonus plan than Microsoft. Total compensation is more than I made at Microsoft with a faster vesting schedule on the stock grants.

So don't limit your vision of "tech" to just tech companies. It is much broader than that. Every company of any size views their tech department as a competitive necessity.

I got out of the legal industry in my late 20s and never regretted it. I found this topic via a link on another website. (JDU) I have not posted here in years.

I don't want people to get the idea that tech is easy and everyone should do a code boot camp. It is not that easy. Most people cannot get their brain wrapped around C# or SQL. But you don't have to. There are plenty of business roles also linked to the overall tech economy. You don't have to sling code. Project management may not pay as well, but it still is in the $100,000 range after a few years and can lead into senior management.

Sql guy: what languages do you recommend learning? What languages apply to what types of jobs? What kind of positions would someone with zero programming background, other than what they teach themselves, be eligible for? How do you get experience if nothing in your background screams tech?

Sorry for all the questions but I'm extremely curious

Bumping already because today has been an especially shitty day and it's not even close to over. Please get me out of this life.

You weren't quoting me, but feel free to PM about any tech-oriented questions, and I can do my best to answer.

Generally, there's no one central language to learn. If I had to pick just one language, then I would say Java, as Java is probably the most common industry language. Basically, Java is categorized as an object-oriented programming language, and programs written in an object-oriented way are all over the place in computer science. As a matter of fact, on the vast majority of technical job interviews, if you can't explain the essentials of object-oriented concepts, then you have no chance to do well on that interview.

In a nutshell, strongly consider checking out Java as an introductory language. Additionally, my view is that you should learn and master one language as opposed to trying to get competent at multiple simultaneously. Much like learning a foreign language, it's easier to pick up Italian once you know Spanish, and vice-versa. Bouncing around from Italian to Greek and Japanese? Not a good idea.

Something like SQL is not a programming language per-se; however, it's a tool that's widely used by programming languages themselves. SQL is a tool that enables one to isolate data from a database and pull it out. Then, using something like Java, one can manipulate that data in a certain way.

[PeanutsNJam]

just lol at the people talking about programming ITT as some panacea

Software development/IT/network security is a very healthy industry but let's be real (1) it's not for everybody, and (2) there are good programmer jobs and shitty programmer jobs, and the good programmer jobs aren't easy to get by any means.

This whole "biglaw is fixing commas until you pee blood and programming is spiritually fulfilling as you solve the world's most complex and challenging issues" rhetoric is getting really old. Is being a project manager at Google better than an associate at Cravath? Most likely, but I haven't done either so wtf do I know. I'd bet there are fewer project managers at top tech firms (Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc.) than associates in top Vault firms, and more CS majors than JDs. Countless programmers go through their entire career doing inane, inconsequential bullshit as well.

It's just lol how people berate others who haven't worked in biglaw talking about biglaw like they know, and then turn around and talk about programming jobs like they know. Never mind the fact that programming jobs are idiosyncratic as fuck, unlike biglaw.

Like why not have wet dreams about going back to school, majoring in whatever rigorous major at an Ivy, and then going to an elite boutique consulting gig where you get ~paid to tell people what to do~. That's going to be about as likely as landing some sweet software developer gig on the west coast, or midbest (Boulder) if you like low COL.

[Otunga]

just lol at the people talking about programming ITT as some panacea

Software development/IT/network security is a very healthy industry but let's be real (1) it's not for everybody, and (2) there are good programmer jobs and shitty programmer jobs, and the good programmer jobs aren't easy to get by any means.

This whole "biglaw is fixing commas until you pee blood and programming is spiritually fulfilling as you solve the world's most complex and challenging issues" rhetoric is getting really old. Is being a project manager at Google better than an associate at Cravath? Most likely, but I haven't done either so wtf do I know. I'd bet there are fewer project managers at top tech firms (Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc.) than associates in top Vault firms, and more CS majors than JDs. Countless programmers go through their entire career doing inane, inconsequential bullshit as well.

Yeah, I agree. In fact, I'd say the vast majority of programming jobs seem to get dull over time, and most of them likely aren't nearly as enriching intellectually as academic computer science. Bottom line: software engineering is just one subset of applied computer science and many jobs will become copy/paste coding after a while. If you want to be solving novel problems all the time, either go into academia or get some sweet gig with one of the tech giants - both will be extremely competitive. As for me, I'm content with a decent salary doing a reasonably interesting job. Personally, I don't want to always be doing research, and I sure as hell don't want to teach.

[Alive97]

Certain tech specialties over the long term could be replaced my machines. Cloud-based tools that enable self-service eliminate the need for tech experts to do things manually. eDiscovery is a prime example. In theory you could retool to stay relevant. But that may be a very comprehensive thing.

[cattleprod]

Sql guy: what languages do you recommend learning? What languages apply to what types of jobs? What kind of positions would someone with zero programming background, other than what they teach themselves, be eligible for? How do you get experience if nothing in your background screams tech?

Sorry for all the questions but I'm extremely curious

I was a career changer in my late 20s. I just got all of the available Microsoft certifications in their database technology (took 6 months) then started applying for jobs. I aced my first tech interview and was hired. Since then with more experience, it just got easier. Job hop every two years to get your salary up. My total compensation (salary, bonus, stock grants) is approaching $200,000.

I think experts in databases are in the highest demand lately. Of course, I am biased because that is my area.
Knowing SQL is key to that. Having expertise in one or more of the top database platforms is also key.

Oracle = PL/SQL
Microsoft = T-SQL

In terms of programming languages, C# or Java are the two big ones. But Java seems to be in decline.

My C# skills are basic. My database knowledge is expert. I earn more than just about any programmer in my company. I have full admin access to the HR databases and was able to confirm this wih a bit of hunting.

I think the reason why database expertise is valued more than programming is because databases have become so critical to everything. Companies will fail if their data is not secure. I lucked into it. I did not foresee this years ago when I went this direction. The outlook going forward is incredibly strong for Database experts. Companies are like hoarders with their data. They are terrified to lose anything. The systems are just getting bigger and more complicated.

[cattleprod]

Certain tech specialties over the long term could be replaced my machines. Cloud-based tools that enable self-service eliminate the need for tech experts to do things manually. eDiscovery is a prime example. In theory you could retool to stay relevant. But that may be a very comprehensive thing.

The Cloud trend certainly makes hardware people much more expendable. I would be very nervous if I had a job dealing with physical servers. Companies are trying to get rid of their own data centers and spin up VMs with Amazon, Microsoft or Google cloud services.

[Otunga]

Sql guy: what languages do you recommend learning? What languages apply to what types of jobs? What kind of positions would someone with zero programming background, other than what they teach themselves, be eligible for? How do you get experience if nothing in your background screams tech?

Sorry for all the questions but I'm extremely curious

I was a career changer in my late 20s. I just got all of the available Microsoft certifications in their database technology (took 6 months) then started applying for jobs. I aced my first tech interview and was hired. Since then with more experience, it just got easier. Job hop every two years to get your salary up. My total compensation (salary, bonus, stock grants) is approaching $200,000.

I think experts in databases are in the highest demand lately. Of course, I am biased because that is my area.
Knowing SQL is key to that. Having expertise in one or more of the top database platforms is also key.

Oracle = PL/SQL
Microsoft = T-SQL

In terms of programming languages, C# or Java are the two big ones. But Java seems to be in decline.

My C# skills are basic. My database knowledge is expert. I earn more than just about any programmer in my company. I have full admin access to the HR databases and was able to confirm this wih a bit of hunting.

I think the reason why database expertise is valued more than programming is because databases have become so critical to everything. Companies will fail if their data is not secure. I lucked into it. I did not foresee this years ago when I went this direction. The outlook going forward is incredibly strong for Database experts. Companies are like hoarders with their data. They are terrified to lose anything. The systems are just getting bigger and more complicated.

This is good information. I'll also add that even in most entry-level software engineer postings (at least that I've seen), knowledge of basic SQL is hugely helpful and often considered required knowledge. I was actually asked basic SQL questions (along with typical object-oriented stuff and a programming assignment) during my technical interview.

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[luckenmeister]

I appreciate the merits of this thread, but it seems like most people who regret law school are the ones who went for the wrong reasons. In that, I mean people who didnt understand the work, just went into law b/c of money, etc. Which annoys the hell out of me, because those who's hearts aren't in it should never become law students, let alone lawyers. Who the hell would expext a relaxed job that just happens to have a starting salary of $160k? No one should, and if you dont have a genuine passion for the work you do in a job that makes you work your ass off, of course it'll be shitty! And yet every year, students without any real interest, experience, or passion in the field of law contribute to the overabundance of unhappy lawyers and make it harder for others to find quality jobs.

I have no experience with biglaw or actually practicing law, but i feel that I was born to be a lawyer. Every step of the way (hs & college mock trial---> 3 different legal internships---->current midlaw job), I've loved what I do. Ive had many people along the way ask "you still want to do this!?" and every time I don't understand why they went to law school at all. Maybe I'm weird or have had abnormal experiences, but I'm excited to go to law school and start my career as an attorney. I know it's litigation, but the idea of traveling to take depositions (I have sat on numerous), meet with clients, and try cases sounds like a dream.

[Johann]

I appreciate the merits of this thread, but it seems like most people who regret law school are the ones who went for the wrong reasons. In that, I mean people who didnt understand the work, just went into law b/c of money, etc. Which annoys the hell out of me, because those who's hearts aren't in it should never become law students, let alone lawyers. Who the hell would expext a relaxed job that just happens to have a starting salary of $160k? No one should, and if you dont have a genuine passion for the work you do in a job that makes you work your ass off, of course it'll be shitty! And yet every year, students without any real interest, experience, or passion in the field of law contribute to the overabundance of unhappy lawyers and make it harder for others to find quality jobs.

I have no experience with biglaw or actually practicing law, but i feel that I was born to be a lawyer. Every step of the way (hs & college mock trial---> 3 different legal internships---->current midlaw job), I've loved what I do. Ive had many people along the way ask "you still want to do this!?" and every time I don't understand why they went to law school at all. Maybe I'm weird or have had abnormal experiences, but I'm excited to go to law school and start my career as an attorney. I know it's litigation, but the idea of traveling to take depositions (I have sat on numerous), meet with clients, and try cases sounds like a dream.

how do doc review and privilege logs sound? that's the disconnect. what people say being a lawyer is and what people want to do is not what being a lawyer is.

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[luckenmeister]

I appreciate the merits of this thread, but it seems like most people who regret law school are the ones who went for the wrong reasons. In that, I mean people who didnt understand the work, just went into law b/c of money, etc. Which annoys the hell out of me, because those who's hearts aren't in it should never become law students, let alone lawyers. Who the hell would expext a relaxed job that just happens to have a starting salary of $160k? No one should, and if you dont have a genuine passion for the work you do in a job that makes you work your ass off, of course it'll be shitty! And yet every year, students without any real interest, experience, or passion in the field of law contribute to the overabundance of unhappy lawyers and make it harder for others to find quality jobs.

I have no experience with biglaw or actually practicing law, but i feel that I was born to be a lawyer. Every step of the way (hs & college mock trial---> 3 different legal internships---->current midlaw job), I've loved what I do. Ive had many people along the way ask "you still want to do this!?" and every time I don't understand why they went to law school at all. Maybe I'm weird or have had abnormal experiences, but I'm excited to go to law school and start my career as an attorney. I know it's litigation, but the idea of traveling to take depositions (I have sat on numerous), meet with clients, and try cases sounds like a dream.

how do doc review and privilege logs sound? that's the disconnect. what people say being a lawyer is and what people want to do is not what being a lawyer is.

Doc review is a big part of what I currently do, so not bad at all (especially for $160k/yr - can be very interesting imo depending on the document). But I'm pretty sure those things aren't central to the jobs of most associates, especially in lit?

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[luckenmeister]

I appreciate the merits of this thread, but it seems like most people who regret law school are the ones who went for the wrong reasons. In that, I mean people who didnt understand the work, just went into law b/c of money, etc. Which annoys the hell out of me, because those who's hearts aren't in it should never become law students, let alone lawyers. Who the hell would expext a relaxed job that just happens to have a starting salary of $160k? No one should, and if you dont have a genuine passion for the work you do in a job that makes you work your ass off, of course it'll be shitty! And yet every year, students without any real interest, experience, or passion in the field of law contribute to the overabundance of unhappy lawyers and make it harder for others to find quality jobs.

I have no experience with biglaw or actually practicing law, but i feel that I was born to be a lawyer. Every step of the way (hs & college mock trial---> 3 different legal internships---->current midlaw job), I've loved what I do. Ive had many people along the way ask "you still want to do this!?" and every time I don't understand why they went to law school at all. Maybe I'm weird or have had abnormal experiences, but I'm excited to go to law school and start my career as an attorney. I know it's litigation, but the idea of traveling to take depositions (I have sat on numerous), meet with clients, and try cases sounds like a dream.

Excuse me while I go kill myself.

I was you 10 years ago. I thought the complaints came from a place of entitlement, or having never had a tough job before, or having no experience with working world, or thinking they're special, or not knowing what the deals were. I was wrong.

Litigation is better in terms of being interesting and being something people can actually like, but your description of it betrays a massive naiveté. Your work will be nothing like what you're describing (the closest you get is traveling to depositions, but junior and mid associates are only involved in small-time depositions where you're talking to someone who doesn't know what's going on or why you're talking to them. And you're sitting 3rd chair and handing people exhibits in silence. As a senior associate you'll take and defend worthless depositions, if you can last 4-8 years. You'll hand exhibits on the real ones. The type of stuff you were doing in moot court, meeting with the important clients and the like are reserved for partners, and not junior partners. Print this off. Read it in a decade.

Also, realize that firm lawyers made as much, in nominal terms, in 2000. Base was a bit lower, but bonus was much higher. That was 16+ years ago. Inflation adjusted, you're making the least of any lawyers in a generation. And your nut/tuition to break into the game was far higher. The guy in 2000 may have paid 23k for tuition. Now people are paying 60K+. Same nominal paycheck. Cops, metro north ticket punchers, and other very "blue collar" stuff that people will look down on in places like this are all making $100K+ after a few years now. $160K in NYC is not a lot of money.

I don't mean to demean or belittle your experiences, but your view is overbroad. I have experience in a midlaw firm and see what lawyers do there on a daily basis. I know that i would be happy in their shoes. I also have a cousin who was in biglaw for 20+ years, and she loved it. I feel that you TREMENDOUSLY miss on the fact that not all biglaw firms are created equal, as my cousin had children, a family, and made partner. My main point is that some people actually like the work done as a biglaw associate.

Regarding compensation, $160k is still a ton of money. Your examples about the ticket punchers, cops and blue collar workers are flawed: A - I know LIRR workers and while they say the pay is nice, I highly doubt it's 6 figures nice after "a few years". B - even then, after "a few years", the biglaw associate is making twice as much with over $200k. C - VERY few careers compete with the compensation of Biglaw attorneys. So arguing about the compensation makes no sense, you're not going to do better elsewhere. You have 8 yrs experience, you certainly know this and are making tons of money

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[luckenmeister]

I appreciate the merits of this thread, but it seems like most people who regret law school are the ones who went for the wrong reasons. In that, I mean people who didnt understand the work, just went into law b/c of money, etc. Which annoys the hell out of me, because those who's hearts aren't in it should never become law students, let alone lawyers. Who the hell would expext a relaxed job that just happens to have a starting salary of $160k? No one should, and if you dont have a genuine passion for the work you do in a job that makes you work your ass off, of course it'll be shitty! And yet every year, students without any real interest, experience, or passion in the field of law contribute to the overabundance of unhappy lawyers and make it harder for others to find quality jobs.

I have no experience with biglaw or actually practicing law, but i feel that I was born to be a lawyer. Every step of the way (hs & college mock trial---> 3 different legal internships---->current midlaw job), I've loved what I do. Ive had many people along the way ask "you still want to do this!?" and every time I don't understand why they went to law school at all. Maybe I'm weird or have had abnormal experiences, but I'm excited to go to law school and start my career as an attorney. I know it's litigation, but the idea of traveling to take depositions (I have sat on numerous), meet with clients, and try cases sounds like a dream.

Excuse me while I go kill myself.

I was you 10 years ago. I thought the complaints came from a place of entitlement, or having never had a tough job before, or having no experience with working world, or thinking they're special, or not knowing what the deals were. I was wrong.

Litigation is better in terms of being interesting and being something people can actually like, but your description of it betrays a massive naiveté. Your work will be nothing like what you're describing (the closest you get is traveling to depositions, but junior and mid associates are only involved in small-time depositions where you're talking to someone who doesn't know what's going on or why you're talking to them. And you're sitting 3rd chair and handing people exhibits in silence. As a senior associate you'll take and defend worthless depositions, if you can last 4-8 years. You'll hand exhibits on the real ones. The type of stuff you were doing in moot court, meeting with the important clients and the like are reserved for partners, and not junior partners. Print this off. Read it in a decade.

Also, realize that firm lawyers made as much, in nominal terms, in 2000. Base was a bit lower, but bonus was much higher. That was 16+ years ago. Inflation adjusted, you're making the least of any lawyers in a generation. And your nut/tuition to break into the game was far higher. The guy in 2000 may have paid 23k for tuition. Now people are paying 60K+. Same nominal paycheck. Cops, metro north ticket punchers, and other very "blue collar" stuff that people will look down on in places like this are all making $100K+ after a few years now. $160K in NYC is not a lot of money.

I don't mean to demean or belittle your experiences, but your view is overbroad. I have experience in a midlaw firm and see what lawyers do there on a daily basis. I know that i would be happy in their shoes. I also have a cousin who was in biglaw for 20+ years, and she loved it. I feel that you TREMENDOUSLY miss on the fact that not all biglaw firms are created equal, as my cousin had children, a family, and made partner. My main point is that some people actually like the work done as a biglaw associate.

Regarding compensation, $160k is still a ton of money. Your examples about the ticket punchers, cops and blue collar workers are flawed: A - I know LIRR workers and while they say the pay is nice, I highly doubt it's 6 figures nice after "a few years". B - even then, after "a few years", the biglaw associate is making twice as much with over $200k. C - VERY few careers compete with the compensation of Biglaw attorneys. So arguing about the compensation makes no sense, you're not going to do better elsewhere. You have 8 yrs experience, you certainly know this and are making tons of money

I hope you like it. Print this off. Read it in a decade. I'll be around for an apology.

Mildew isn't biglaw.

San Francisco and most of the nice NYC suburbs start their rookie cops at or above 100K, and all are above 100K (before overtime) in 1-2 years.

Very few careers may compete with biglaw top end compensation. 200 enter, 1-3 make partner. 80% are gone by year 5. Most professions don't sweep you out so quickly with no exit options (banking, consulting, etc. are up or out, but they're not up or down like BIGLAW).

Lols, the issue I have is that I don't think we disagree with eachother as much as you think. I agree that for most, the experience isnt pleasant, and that many will be disappointed. I'm simply saying that if you fully understand the experience of what it's like to work at a law firm, it may align with your passions and be a good experience.

Now I've gone off topic by extrapolating into non-nyc midlaw and non-nyc corp biglaw (both of which I know can be great for those who have interest). I'll admit that I have 0 Corp. Biglaw experience in NYC, and that it may be something that will always be a miserable experience for anyone 100% of the time no matter what firm you work for.

With that, I have a few questions. Why haven't you at least tried out a new firm? I know you think it'll be the same, but what do you have to lose? It very well may be a much better environment allowing a greater qol.

Would you recommend midlaw? Luckily, I have solid connections to midlaw firms (one of which Im currently at and like). If so, why haven't you tried to move down to midlaw (do big law lawyers not do this?)? My plan is probably somewhat typical, I hope to land biglaw, stay for a 1-5 yrs, and get a PI lit gig (not concerned with money).

[lavarman84]

I don't mean to demean or belittle your experiences, but your view is overbroad. I have experience in a midlaw firm and see what lawyers do there on a daily basis. I know that i would be happy in their shoes. I also have a cousin who was in biglaw for 20+ years, and she loved it. I feel that you TREMENDOUSLY miss on the fact that not all biglaw firms are created equal, as my cousin had children, a family, and made partner. My main point is that some people actually like the work done as a biglaw associate.

Regarding compensation, $160k is still a ton of money. Your examples about the ticket punchers, cops and blue collar workers are flawed: A - I know LIRR workers and while they say the pay is nice, I highly doubt it's 6 figures nice after "a few years". B - even then, after "a few years", the biglaw associate is making twice as much with over $200k. C - VERY few careers compete with the compensation of Biglaw attorneys. So arguing about the compensation makes no sense, you're not going to do better elsewhere. You have 8 yrs experience, you certainly know this and are making tons of money

I'm not trying to belittle your opinion or experiences but you're not a practicing attorney. It's not the same thing. It's not something you'll understand until you are a practicing attorney in biglaw (or wherever you practice).

Maybe you'll still love it. Maybe you won't. You'll find out in the future.

[Foghornleghorn]

I thought the complaints came from a place of entitlement.

ITT: Skadden bro shares his feelings on empty biglaw lyfe and then refuses to look for jerbs anywhere outside of NYC.

[jbagelboy]

The fake salary stat ITT for jobs like police officers are totally absurd. Police officers make less than $50k starting and non-officers will never make six figures. http://work.chron.com/salary-rookie-cop-nypd-2215.html

Train conductors make at most $80k in NY, and those are the highest paid in the country. http://work.chron.com/much-money-train- ... 10755.html. The low is $40k. They will not make six figures in that position.

Don't misrepresent and inflate the salary data of other professions to make biglaw seem worse. Biglaw is bad enough on its own even considering the high compensation.