Bored GULC 3L Taking Questions Forum

JustHawkin · Post by **JustHawkin** » Sun May 03, 2015 2:43 pm

BmoreOrLess wrote:I don't *think* so, but I'm not sure and others can chime in. I do know this is the first time Heinzerling taught 1L's.

I think same classes, different profs. Disclosure: Also a lowly 1L.

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Sun May 03, 2015 5:34 pm

JustHawkin wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:I don't *think* so, but I'm not sure and others can chime in. I do know this is the first time Heinzerling taught 1L's.
I think same classes, different profs. Disclosure: Also a lowly 1L.

In my 3 years it's been generally the same. But then again, I haven't been paying too close attention which is why I'm taking it my 4E year

GULCPerson · Post by **GULCPerson** » Sun May 03, 2015 6:38 pm

zacharus85 wrote:
JustHawkin wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:I don't *think* so, but I'm not sure and others can chime in. I do know this is the first time Heinzerling taught 1L's.
I think same classes, different profs. Disclosure: Also a lowly 1L.
In my 3 years it's been generally the same. But then again, I haven't been paying too close attention which is why I'm taking it my 4E year

It's always 3 sections of something that's basically International Law and 3 sections of what's basically Admin Law. Professors change every year, and some of them prefer to give the course a different name. But if you're taking "Congress and the Regulatory State," you're taking admin law.

DIH49 · Post by **DIH49** » Tue May 05, 2015 10:30 pm

BmoreOrLess wrote:I don't *think* so, but I'm not sure and others can chime in. I do know this is the first time Heinzerling taught 1L's.

Heinzerling taught 1Ls in 2011. I was in her class.

gtown1212 · Post by **gtown1212** » Tue May 05, 2015 11:15 pm

DIH49 wrote:
BmoreOrLess wrote:I don't *think* so, but I'm not sure and others can chime in. I do know this is the first time Heinzerling taught 1L's.
Heinzerling taught 1Ls in 2011. I was in her class.

she also taught 1Ls last year.

justonemoregame · Post by **justonemoregame** » Tue May 05, 2015 11:26 pm

For your elective, I'd recommend something that will be beneficial groundwork going forward. If you're interested in code-based courses, (Enviro, Labor, Health, many other topics), do Admin or Reg State, I-law would be good to have for...I-law like courses, and it's even a prereq. for some, so it's useful in terms of 2L schedule flexibility if you have it out of the way. You're not escaping gunners in 1L, don't make your decision based on that.

JustHawkin · Post by **JustHawkin** » Fri May 15, 2015 6:02 pm

Any class selection advice for 2L year? Especially for trying to boost the GPA?

EzraFitz · Post by **EzraFitz** » Mon May 18, 2015 1:29 am

Heinzerling's 2014 Spring 1L exam was basically the basis of my attack outline haha. And ^^ seconded, I'm at a complete loss for second year courses.

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Mon May 18, 2015 3:27 am

JustHawkin wrote:Any class selection advice for 2L year? Especially for trying to boost the GPA?

2L should include more foundational/prereq classes (evidence and corporations are both good, as well as white collar crime by O'Sullivan). You might also want to get your degree required classes out of the way: PR and a writing requirement class.

GPA really shouldn't matter at this point, but seminars are good for this. One credit weekend classes are almost guaranteed A's, but 2 credit courses often carry 3 credit workloads and sometimes a similar curve. Practicum courses usually have a fieldwork component - so while they require a lot of your time they are also an easy A. Hth.

GULCPerson · Post by **GULCPerson** » Mon May 18, 2015 8:02 am

zacharus85 wrote: GPA really shouldn't matter at this point, but seminars are good for this. One credit weekend classes are almost guaranteed A's, but 2 credit courses often carry 3 credit workloads and sometimes a similar curve. Practicum courses usually have a fieldwork component - so while they require a lot of your time they are also an easy A. Hth.

Can't stress this enough. Don't ever take a 2 credit course. They're just as much work as 3 or 4 credit classes. And especially don't take a 2 credit paper class that doesn't fulfill the writing requirement. Dumbest thing I did in law school.

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Mon May 18, 2015 10:16 am

Any easier 4 credit classes? I think my plan is to take Corps and Fed Tax, so I don't want to kill myself with more substantive classes, but I really only want to take 12 credits this fall.

usn26 · Post by **usn26** » Mon May 18, 2015 10:51 am

Any thoughts on GULC vs Cornell for Federal Government jobs or DC big law?

POTUSorSCOTUS · Post by **POTUSorSCOTUS** » Mon May 18, 2015 1:35 pm

Triangle · Post by **Triangle** » Mon May 18, 2015 5:19 pm

Thoughts on interning somewhere second semester of 1L? Focusing on grades vs. getting in on some DC work experience before the hordes descend for the summer...

I realize I am approximately 37 steps ahead of myself, but part of the appeal of GULC was ALL THE GOVERNMENT INTERNSHIPS.

GULCPerson · Post by **GULCPerson** » Mon May 18, 2015 5:39 pm

Triangle wrote:Thoughts on interning somewhere second semester of 1L? Focusing on grades vs. getting in on some DC work experience before the hordes descend for the summer...

I realize I am approximately 37 steps ahead of myself, but part of the appeal of GULC was ALL THE GOVERNMENT INTERNSHIPS.

Don't do that. I don't even know if you can do that, at least officially. Your 1L grades are, by a significant margin, the most important part of law school. For most students, 1L grades almost by themselves will determine the employment options that are available when you're starting your career. 1L grades are everything, don't do anything that would take away time that you would otherwise use to improve them.

Spend 1L studying, and you can always intern 2L and 3L (and get school credit for it, at that). But if you tank 1L because you're trying to juggle too much stuff, no amount of grade improvement in your 2L and 3L years will make up for that.

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Mon May 18, 2015 6:09 pm

Strongly seconding GULCperson here.

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Mon May 18, 2015 10:02 pm

And don't lull yourself to sleep thinking first semester isn't that bad so you start thinking that you could do an internship. First semester won't be that bad. The extra class combined with the ramped up speed of LRW and extra mock trial/moot court/ADR crap makes second semester much worse.

POTUSorSCOTUS · Post by **POTUSorSCOTUS** » Wed May 20, 2015 2:43 pm

JustHawkin · Post by **JustHawkin** » Thu May 21, 2015 12:05 pm

Can someone comment on the likelihood of getting the classes you want with this whole complicated ranking system. I have a schedule I'd be happy with if I got all my first choices, but if one of the pieces to the puzzle falls out, it feels like the whole things falls out.

GULCPerson · Post by **GULCPerson** » Thu May 21, 2015 12:27 pm

JustHawkin wrote:Can someone comment on the likelihood of getting the classes you want with this whole complicated ranking system. I have a schedule I'd be happy with if I got all my first choices, but if one of the pieces to the puzzle falls out, it feels like the whole things falls out.

I never had a class I wanted that I didn't get into, but I only took enormous lectures (evidence/tax/corp) or really unpopular niche classes, so dunno if that's common. I think to get snubbed is rare if you're paying attention to the statistics they give about past years and ranking appropriately. Those are really helpful.

POTUSorSCOTUS wrote: Fall - M&A, Securities Reg, 14th Amendment seminar
Spring - Drafting and Negotiating Real Estate Documents, Land Use Law, and Remedies - maybe Intro to Capital Markets

If you're the type of person who read the description of the 14th Amendment seminar and thought it sounded like a good idea, then you will like the 14th Amendment seminar. Convenient self-selection there.

I don't know anything about the rest of those classes, sorry.

supersplittysplitter · Post by **supersplittysplitter** » Thu May 21, 2015 1:09 pm

justonemoregame wrote:For your elective, I'd recommend something that will be beneficial groundwork going forward. If you're interested in code-based courses, (Enviro, Labor, Health, many other topics), do Admin or Reg State, I-law would be good to have for...I-law like courses, and it's even a prereq. for some, so it's useful in terms of 2L schedule flexibility if you have it out of the way. You're not escaping gunners in 1L, don't make your decision based on that.

is there any area of law that has a reputation for not attracting gunners?

buckiguy_sucks · Post by **buckiguy_sucks** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:05 am

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jschwa59 · Post by **jschwa59** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:36 am

Hey thanks for putting in the time to address our questions. Anyway I am curious as to what you scored on the LSAT and what your GPA was before entering GULC.

buckiguy_sucks · Post by **buckiguy_sucks** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:38 am

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GULCPerson · Post by **GULCPerson** » Tue May 26, 2015 12:51 pm

buckiguy_sucks wrote:How do 1L (big law) SAs work if most people are getting SA's through OCI?

You send your resume to every firm recruiter email address you can get your hands on, and every Symplicity post there is, on the very first day that OCS tells you you're allowed to do so (some time in December). You won't even have grades at that point, but you can send those along in mid-late January when they're released.

Mostly though, the answer is they don't. 1L biglaw SAs are unicorn jobs.