Bored GULC 3L Taking Questions Forum

tuxedocat · Post by **tuxedocat** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:10 pm

kray wrote:Can anyone talk about how loans for living expenses work? When should we expect them to be disbursed? (Both fall and spring at start of classes?)

At ASW they said that you wouldn't receive your fall semester disbursement until about the second week of classes, so the financial aid person recommended getting a credit card to tide you over.

Hand · Post by **Hand** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:11 pm

tuxedocat wrote:
kray wrote:Can anyone talk about how loans for living expenses work? When should we expect them to be disbursed? (Both fall and spring at start of classes?)
At ASW they said that you wouldn't receive your fall semester disbursement until about the second week of classes, so the financial aid person recommended getting a credit card to tide you over.

Ugh.

GULCPerson · Post by **GULCPerson** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:42 pm

hearsay77 wrote: 2. How big are class sizes both during 1L & the upper level/elective courses in 2L/3L?

Assuming full time, most of your 1L classes will be your entire section together, 90ish students. One of your classes fall semester will be a small section, so it will be one third of those same 90 kids. LRW will be a 15ish person subgroup out of your section. Spring semester you'll get an elective that's usually 50ish people.

2L and 3L run the gamut. If you take a popular doctrinal class (evidence, corporations) you might have 80 people again, but most courses are probably in the 30ish student range. Seminars and paper classes are smaller, I've had some as low as 6 students, and I think there's a hard cap at 20 students for those.

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:29 pm

GULCPerson wrote:
hearsay77 wrote:LRW will be a 15ish person subgroup out of your section. Spring semester you'll get an elective that's usually 50ish people.

Just to add to this, these can be different. My LRW rarely gets split up, so it's almost always a 50 person class. And electives aren't necessarily small; Admin Law is roughly 100 people this semester.

supersplittysplitter · Post by **supersplittysplitter** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:56 pm

Why does GULC have low federal clerkship numbers? The recent ABA statistics say the GULC class of 2014 had 22 federal clerkships, whereas peer schools with much smaller class sizes like Northwestern and Michigan had more federal clerkships.

magzpie · Post by **magzpie** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:25 am

supersplittysplitter wrote:Why does GULC have low federal clerkship numbers? The recent ABA statistics say the GULC class of 2014 had 22 federal clerkships, whereas peer schools with much smaller class sizes like Northwestern and Michigan had more federal clerkships.

Also interested in the answer to this question!

awoodard · Post by **awoodard** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:26 pm

magzpie wrote:
supersplittysplitter wrote:Why does GULC have low federal clerkship numbers? The recent ABA statistics say the GULC class of 2014 had 22 federal clerkships, whereas peer schools with much smaller class sizes like Northwestern and Michigan had more federal clerkships.
Also interested in the answer to this question!

You might be better off asking the career services office this question. I'm not sure any current student would have insight on this particular topic, unless it was anecdotal.

tuxedocat · Post by **tuxedocat** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:33 pm

So financial aid only covers 9 months, right? So what do people do for the summer after 1L? Is it common to have a paid job for the summer? If not do I just live in a hole for three months?

awoodard · Post by **awoodard** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 4:58 pm

tuxedocat wrote:So financial aid only covers 9 months, right? So what do people do for the summer after 1L? Is it common to have a paid job for the summer? If not do I just live in a hole for three months?

During the summer, people do one of three things:

1. Paid job (firm or working as a research assistant for a prof)
2. Public interest/government/other unpaid job, and receive funding from Georgetown (the vast majority of unpaid jobs qualify, including judicial internships and government jobs. This is what most of the people I know are doing)--the amount varies from year to year, this year it is $3,000
3. Public interest/government job and get course credit (externship)--you can take out loans if you do this. I'm not sure about the process for getting this approved, but I know a fair number of people who are doing this.

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:27 pm

magzpie wrote:
supersplittysplitter wrote:Why does GULC have low federal clerkship numbers? The recent ABA statistics say the GULC class of 2014 had 22 federal clerkships, whereas peer schools with much smaller class sizes like Northwestern and Michigan had more federal clerkships.
Also interested in the answer to this question!

Current GULC student here. GULC pushes hard to get students to apply to clerkships across the country. They make special effort to target the top 10% and top 5%. So it's not for lack of trying on their end.

Besides the obvious prestige issue relative to the t13, GULC has a fair number of students who don't want to leave DC and have no advantage in the home market (EVERYONE wants to be in DC), plus a fair number of people don't want to give up BigLaw money due to high debt (GULC has traditionally been pretty stingy with aid).

GULCsect7 · Post by **GULCsect7** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:40 pm

zacharus85 wrote:
buckiguy_sucks wrote:
zacharus85 wrote:
PM if you want more details, but the CR is do not do GULC part-time program under any circumstances ever.
Really? If you can swing it for under 100k it seems like a good deal
Extremely limited financial aid - in my day (and maybe still?) you couldn't even APPLY for financial aid.

So I'm paying full sticker. I just have savings, a job, and a sugar mama. If I coulda done it all over again, I'd have gone full-time for sure.

Wait, what? Why do you think you should never do the PT program ever? What if you have a job (as I do)? Maybe you were kidding or using some hyperbole, but that seems like a silly statement.

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:47 pm

GULCsect7 wrote:
zacharus85 wrote:
buckiguy_sucks wrote:
zacharus85 wrote:
PM if you want more details, but the CR is do not do GULC part-time program under any circumstances ever.
Really? If you can swing it for under 100k it seems like a good deal
Extremely limited financial aid - in my day (and maybe still?) you couldn't even APPLY for financial aid.

So I'm paying full sticker. I just have savings, a job, and a sugar mama. If I coulda done it all over again, I'd have gone full-time for sure.

Wait, what? Why do you think you should never do the PT program ever? What if you have a job (as I do)? Maybe you were kidding or using some hyperbole, but that seems like a silly statement.

I am very serious - though of course it depends somewhat on your background and career goals.

But for going into BigLaw generally - oh hell yeah I don't recommend it. PM for details if you're interested.

tuxedocat · Post by **tuxedocat** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 5:07 pm

awoodard wrote:
tuxedocat wrote:So financial aid only covers 9 months, right? So what do people do for the summer after 1L? Is it common to have a paid job for the summer? If not do I just live in a hole for three months?
During the summer, people do one of three things:

1. Paid job (firm or working as a research assistant for a prof)
2. Public interest/government/other unpaid job, and receive funding from Georgetown (the vast majority of unpaid jobs qualify, including judicial internships and government jobs. This is what most of the people I know are doing)--the amount varies from year to year, this year it is $3,000
3. Public interest/government job and get course credit (externship)--you can take out loans if you do this. I'm not sure about the process for getting this approved, but I know a fair number of people who are doing this.

Thank you, very helpful!

JustHawkin · Post by **JustHawkin** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 9:47 pm

If anyone has an O'Sullivan Crim outline, please PM me. TYIA.

buckiguy_sucks · Post by **buckiguy_sucks** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:01 pm

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JustHawkin · Post by **JustHawkin** » Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:29 pm

buckiguy_sucks wrote:Time for some more 0L naivete

jbagelboy in latest employment data thread wrote:TCR is to bid the major market firms who invest a lot in OCI and mass mail throughout July the local firms in the smaller markets that you're interested in stressing your ties and networking. On campus interviewing is for new york, dc, london, los angeles, chicago, texas.
Bolded isn't a realistic outcome is it? That's gotta be like tippy top of the class kind of outcome/can't happen from GULC kind of outcome. Working in London would be cool af

Correct me if I'm wrong 2L/3Ls, but from my interactions with alum and current 3Ls, overseas is possible, but it's going to take serious ties. (From there, tons of overseas business experience, killer grades, etc).

But, came here to confirm if jbagelboy is correct. Should I not reserve some of the top 10 or 20 bids for local firms I want?

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:16 am

2L here. NY and DC are the solid choice for OCI. There are firms at all ends of the GPA spectrum at both.

A friend of mine not in top 10% got London offer - but had decent finance w/e beforehand. A handful of firms have London locations at OCI - mostly magic circle firms.

accessislife · Post by **accessislife** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:20 am

I'm sure this has been asked somewhere - but for a more recent response - mind sharing who your favorite profs/electives have been? also worthwhile extracurriculars?

buckiguy_sucks · Post by **buckiguy_sucks** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:34 am

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BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:29 am

accessislife wrote:I'm sure this has been asked somewhere - but for a more recent response - mind sharing who your favorite profs/electives have been? also worthwhile extracurriculars?

Admin Law with Heinzerling has been an amazing class for a 1L electives, although if I could go back in time I wouldn't pick it because it's gunners paradise. Once you get your profs I'd be happy to PM my thoughts on them if I took their class.

TLSModBot · Post by **TLSModBot** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:51 am

buckiguy_sucks wrote:
zacharus85 wrote:2L here. NY and DC are the solid choice for OCI. There are firms at all ends of the GPA spectrum at both.

A friend of mine not in top 10% got London offer - but had decent finance w/e beforehand. A handful of firms have London locations at OCI - mostly magic circle firms.
So like V10 grade cutoffs probably?

I mean - maybe? It's weird because while they're top dogs in UK, they don't come near V10 in US. You're looking at Allen & Overt, Clifford Chance, and Hogan Lovells. So I have honestly no idea how that swings with hiring a US attorney to go to London. I'm guessing top grades might be necessary in general.

EzraFitz · Post by **EzraFitz** » Sat May 02, 2015 5:32 pm

BmoreOrLess wrote:
accessislife wrote:I'm sure this has been asked somewhere - but for a more recent response - mind sharing who your favorite profs/electives have been? also worthwhile extracurriculars?
Admin Law with Heinzerling has been an amazing class for a 1L electives, although if I could go back in time I wouldn't pick it because it's gunners paradise. Once you get your profs I'd be happy to PM my thoughts on them if I took their class.

I second that it has been an amazing class. It definitely has a lot of gunners, which I'm sure will make for a harsh curve, but considering admin is a really bland subject, and Heinzerling is brilliant and entertaining, I would still pick this over anything, rather than take admin 2L.

JustHawkin · Post by **JustHawkin** » Sat May 02, 2015 10:19 pm

ChuckBass wrote: I second that it has been an amazing class. It definitely has a lot of gunners, which I'm sure will make for a harsh curve, but considering admin is a really bland subject, and Heinzerling is brilliant and entertaining, I would still pick this over anything, rather than take admin 2L.

Seconded. Gunner's paradise aside, the three Int'l Law classes sound like trench warfare (pun intended?) in comparison. Haven't heard much about Reg State...

Hand · Post by **Hand** » Sun May 03, 2015 11:42 am

JustHawkin wrote:
ChuckBass wrote: I second that it has been an amazing class. It definitely has a lot of gunners, which I'm sure will make for a harsh curve, but considering admin is a really bland subject, and Heinzerling is brilliant and entertaining, I would still pick this over anything, rather than take admin 2L.
Seconded. Gunner's paradise aside, the three Int'l Law classes sound like trench warfare (pun intended?) in comparison. Haven't heard much about Reg State...

Are the 1L electives the same every year?

BmoreOrLess · Post by **BmoreOrLess** » Sun May 03, 2015 12:35 pm

I don't *think* so, but I'm not sure and others can chime in. I do know this is the first time Heinzerling taught 1L's.