I failed a class.. Forum

[albanach]

Is there a way to compile the OP's threads (or rather the highlights) into a single cautionary tale thread?

If folk would just refrain from telling their family and friends that they're going to law school BEFORE they have a decent LSAT score, they wouldn't feel so compelled to attend when they find they can't get above a 153. Too often we read tales of woe where people clearly felt they must still go, because they already told everyone they know that they are going. And then we get threads like this, or where someone wants to go to Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Sometimes I think the easiest way to save the US legal education system would be to attach an NDA to the LSAT where you pledge not to tell anyone you are taking the test until after you have a score.

[emkay625]

What class? Did you not show up for the exam or something? (Not being sarcastic, sincerely asking). Is it common practice at your school for students to fail? How was your class attendance?

[HonestAdvice]

Is there a way to compile the OP's threads (or rather the highlights) into a single cautionary tale thread?

If folk would just refrain from telling their family and friends that they're going to law school BEFORE they have a decent LSAT score, they wouldn't feel so compelled to attend when they find they can't get above a 153. Too often we read tales of woe where people clearly felt they must still go, because they already told everyone they know that they are going. And then we get threads like this, or where someone wants to go to Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Sometimes I think the easiest way to save the US legal education system would be to attach an NDA to the LSAT where you pledge not to tell anyone you are taking the test until after you have a score.

If you people were nicer you'd be much more successful at saving people. Generally here's how the situations play out:

UNINFORMED: Will go to dumpster fire school, no time to retake.
YOU (as a group): You'll ruin your life

(several years later)

UNINFORMED: My life is ruined! What can I do?!
YOU (as a group): We told you so! You're such an idiot!

Coming back to make a post like this required the poster to swallow their pride, and it takes a little bit of courage as they are admitting that they were wrong. For every one thread like this there are at least a dozen in OP's situation reading this. By pulling up old posts and shaming you're making it less likely other people post.

[HonestAdvice]

Is there a way to compile the OP's threads (or rather the highlights) into a single cautionary tale thread?

If folk would just refrain from telling their family and friends that they're going to law school BEFORE they have a decent LSAT score, they wouldn't feel so compelled to attend when they find they can't get above a 153. Too often we read tales of woe where people clearly felt they must still go, because they already told everyone they know that they are going. And then we get threads like this, or where someone wants to go to Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Sometimes I think the easiest way to save the US legal education system would be to attach an NDA to the LSAT where you pledge not to tell anyone you are taking the test until after you have a score.

Or you could simply require those taking out student loans to put together a business plan with data, etc. Even if you granted every non-ridiculous plan a student loan, the simple process of having to research the data and put together a business plan would stop most people from attending. The thought process isn't "I'll be the 1%!!!" It's:

Shit. I am graduating in a year. What will I do? Wake up and go to work every day? But what about friends? I'll need to make new friends. How will I do that if I'm working all day? Maybe my parents can front me money for a cool place to live - shit, no I'd have to live at home. Everyone will think I am a loser. Oh, I got it, you can get a loan for graduate school. What's Bobby doing? He's taking the LSAT - that's like a law school SAT, right? It's in 3 weeks - I can still sign up. Nice! Let me take it, and see what happens.

Alright, 142, that's not that bad. That's the average lawyer. Even if I'm not making a million my first year out, I can be like Jack McCoy. Oh god, that's so cool. Alright but maybe I should retake, I can get the state flagship - oh shit, the next test isn't until June and then I can't apply until the following year. What will I do for a year? Am I going to beg? Can't live at home, Peggy Pepperpants would think I'm such a loser.

You know what, it doesn't matter. I got this school. I never heard of it before, but it's the same degree. I could do anything. I could be a sports agent, shit, I can be president. Oh yeah, a goddamn president. Peggy Pepperpants will think I'm so fucking hot, and my mom, she'll be crying. I can just imagine what she'll tell the neighbors when I become president. And I'll be a good president, not like the others. I'll solve world hunger and implement a salary cap in Major League Baseball. What will Peggy say then?

Tommy is such a jealous dick, telling me that the odds are very small I'll ever be a millionaire or even a senator coming from this law school. He's going to Harvard, but I'm cooler than he is and he's jealous that I'm stealing his thunder that nerdy piece of shit. I'm going to kick his ass. You see, that's why I'll make it and he won't. He studies and has book smarts, sure, but I have street smarts. At the end of the day, it takes street smarts to make it, and I'm like a fucking street genius I have so many street smarts.

True, I've never seen the street but I was in 42nd Street, the school play junior year of high school. I was so good in it. I'm like Tom Cruise. Oh that's right Tom Cruise was a lawyer! Shit!!! I'll be just like Tom Cruise in a Few Good Men. He studied for a little bit, but then he fucked Demi Moore and ran into the court yelling, "You can't handle the truth!" I'm going to use that in law school next year. Professor will ask if the Planter or the Defender should win, and I'll be like, "You want answers?" Professor will be like, "I want the truth," and then I'll just stand up and yell, "You can't handle the truth, P!!!!" Then I'll storm out of class and slam the door like a boss, and Professor will be like, "A+!" Everyone else will think I'm so cool. Now where do I sign?

[cavalier1138]

Is there a way to compile the OP's threads (or rather the highlights) into a single cautionary tale thread?

If folk would just refrain from telling their family and friends that they're going to law school BEFORE they have a decent LSAT score, they wouldn't feel so compelled to attend when they find they can't get above a 153. Too often we read tales of woe where people clearly felt they must still go, because they already told everyone they know that they are going. And then we get threads like this, or where someone wants to go to Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Sometimes I think the easiest way to save the US legal education system would be to attach an NDA to the LSAT where you pledge not to tell anyone you are taking the test until after you have a score.

If you people were nicer you'd be much more successful at saving people. Generally here's how the situations play out:

UNINFORMED: Will go to dumpster fire school, no time to retake.
YOU (as a group): You'll ruin your life

(several years later)

UNINFORMED: My life is ruined! What can I do?!
YOU (as a group): We told you so! You're such an idiot!

Coming back to make a post like this required the poster to swallow their pride, and it takes a little bit of courage as they are admitting that they were wrong. For every one thread like this there are at least a dozen in OP's situation reading this. By pulling up old posts and shaming you're making it less likely other people post.

Actually, the advice given the first time was simply to retake the test. It was only when the OP made it clear they were going to ignore that advice that the warnings became harsher.

And honestly, you think that being kinder would have helped? The OP is past saving at this point, but yes, publicly shaming them by posting their story might actually help future posters who insist that they're going to be the exception.

[HonestAdvice]

Is there a way to compile the OP's threads (or rather the highlights) into a single cautionary tale thread?

If folk would just refrain from telling their family and friends that they're going to law school BEFORE they have a decent LSAT score, they wouldn't feel so compelled to attend when they find they can't get above a 153. Too often we read tales of woe where people clearly felt they must still go, because they already told everyone they know that they are going. And then we get threads like this, or where someone wants to go to Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Sometimes I think the easiest way to save the US legal education system would be to attach an NDA to the LSAT where you pledge not to tell anyone you are taking the test until after you have a score.

If you people were nicer you'd be much more successful at saving people. Generally here's how the situations play out:

UNINFORMED: Will go to dumpster fire school, no time to retake.
YOU (as a group): You'll ruin your life

(several years later)

UNINFORMED: My life is ruined! What can I do?!
YOU (as a group): We told you so! You're such an idiot!

Coming back to make a post like this required the poster to swallow their pride, and it takes a little bit of courage as they are admitting that they were wrong. For every one thread like this there are at least a dozen in OP's situation reading this. By pulling up old posts and shaming you're making it less likely other people post.

Actually, the advice given the first time was simply to retake the test. It was only when the OP made it clear they were going to ignore that advice that the warnings became harsher.

And honestly, you think that being kinder would have helped? The OP is past saving at this point, but yes, publicly shaming them by posting their story might actually help future posters who insist that they're going to be the exception.

No I'm saying that more of the I'll be the 1% people would come up, lower their head and say you were right if you didn't berate them over their decision to attend again, and offered constructive advice to mitigate their damages. The reason the return is useful is it's a direct counterpoint to subsequent student's game plan. The average 22 or 23 year old American can't really understand data and apply it to themselves, and logically you're not proving them wrong. It's also not really their fault - they're simply the product of an overly PC education system that is making young people more and more conceited and not self aware. If you ever interview or meet a current college student, no matter the school most of them see themselves as a genius and future billionaire. It's only after they're forced to confront their own mediocrity that people become somewhat self aware. A lot of the people attending never had anything other than the "you're so great" experience with society. This happens at other school, but a lot of the people there actually are really, really smart so it's not bad for them to be overconfident.

The fact other people who go to better schools get good jobs doesn't mean that people who go to shit schools get shit. The "I was you" shit school person on welfare is a much more valuable counterpoint.

[Barack O'Drama]

Is there a way to compile the OP's threads (or rather the highlights) into a single cautionary tale thread?

If folk would just refrain from telling their family and friends that they're going to law school BEFORE they have a decent LSAT score, they wouldn't feel so compelled to attend when they find they can't get above a 153. Too often we read tales of woe where people clearly felt they must still go, because they already told everyone they know that they are going. And then we get threads like this, or where someone wants to go to Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Sometimes I think the easiest way to save the US legal education system would be to attach an NDA to the LSAT where you pledge not to tell anyone you are taking the test until after you have a score.

Or you could simply require those taking out student loans to put together a business plan with data, etc. Even if you granted every non-ridiculous plan a student loan, the simple process of having to research the data and put together a business plan would stop most people from attending. The thought process isn't "I'll be the 1%!!!" It's:

Shit. I am graduating in a year. What will I do? Wake up and go to work every day? But what about friends? I'll need to make new friends. How will I do that if I'm working all day? Maybe my parents can front me money for a cool place to live - shit, no I'd have to live at home. Everyone will think I am a loser. Oh, I got it, you can get a loan for graduate school. What's Bobby doing? He's taking the LSAT - that's like a law school SAT, right? It's in 3 weeks - I can still sign up. Nice! Let me take it, and see what happens.

Alright, 142, that's not that bad. That's the average lawyer. Even if I'm not making a million my first year out, I can be like Jack McCoy. Oh god, that's so cool. Alright but maybe I should retake, I can get the state flagship - oh shit, the next test isn't until June and then I can't apply until the following year. What will I do for a year? Am I going to beg? Can't live at home, Peggy Pepperpants would think I'm such a loser.

You know what, it doesn't matter. I got this school. I never heard of it before, but it's the same degree. I could do anything. I could be a sports agent, shit, I can be president. Oh yeah, a goddamn president. Peggy Pepperpants will think I'm so fucking hot, and my mom, she'll be crying. I can just imagine what she'll tell the neighbors when I become president. And I'll be a good president, not like the others. I'll solve world hunger and implement a salary cap in Major League Baseball. What will Peggy say then?

Tommy is such a jealous dick, telling me that the odds are very small I'll ever be a millionaire or even a senator coming from this law school. He's going to Harvard, but I'm cooler than he is and he's jealous that I'm stealing his thunder that nerdy piece of shit. I'm going to kick his ass. You see, that's why I'll make it and he won't. He studies and has book smarts, sure, but I have street smarts. At the end of the day, it takes street smarts to make it, and I'm like a fucking street genius I have so many street smarts.

True, I've never seen the street but I was in 42nd Street, the school play junior year of high school. I was so good in it. I'm like Tom Cruise. Oh that's right Tom Cruise was a lawyer! Shit!!! I'll be just like Tom Cruise in a Few Good Men. He studied for a little bit, but then he fucked Demi Moore and ran into the court yelling, "You can't handle the truth!" I'm going to use that in law school next year. Professor will ask if the Planter or the Defender should win, and I'll be like, "You want answers?" Professor will be like, "I want the truth," and then I'll just stand up and yell, "You can't handle the truth, P!!!!" Then I'll storm out of class and slam the door like a boss, and Professor will be like, "A+!" Everyone else will think I'm so cool. Now where do I sign?

LOL dude, had some tears come to my eyes. Anyway, there is so much truth in that semi-serious semi-joking scenario. I know way too many people who decided to take the LSAT without studying. Who think a law degree is still a versatile degree. And who just don't get that all law schools aren't created equal. Most of these people are willfully ignorant. However, I think we can attribute some blame to the horrid pre-law advisors at colleges who are boomers and give terrible advice. I owe so much to this forum. If I had listened to my pre-advisor I'd be at SUNY Buffalo Law trying to practice corporate in NYC.

I also like the idea of having to make a business plan before entering law school. Perhaps they should implement a system where if you get below a 160 or something you cannot go to law school. Hopefully then these scamming-diploma mills will disappear and situations like OP's wouldn't occur.

[Danny Mothers]

I like how this dude gives us crap for being mean to posters and then turns around and writes a novella about OP's idiocy.

[HonestAdvice]

I like how this dude gives us crap for being mean to posters and then turns around and writes a novella about OP's idiocy.

Not OP - The mind of the average person that makes this decision. I know because I've interacted with many college students considering law school, and I'm exaggerating for entertainment value but the logic pattern is uniformly accurate. It applies across genders. That said, another popular mindset is a kid doesn't want to go to law school but their parents won't continue giving them money unless they have some plan in place. These people also go to these schools and given the incentive structure, you'd expect they'd do worse, but there's really not a catastrophic downside to it. If your parents have 300k of disposable income then your worst case scenario is still better than most people's best case scenario.

[HonestAdvice]

Is there a way to compile the OP's threads (or rather the highlights) into a single cautionary tale thread?

If folk would just refrain from telling their family and friends that they're going to law school BEFORE they have a decent LSAT score, they wouldn't feel so compelled to attend when they find they can't get above a 153. Too often we read tales of woe where people clearly felt they must still go, because they already told everyone they know that they are going. And then we get threads like this, or where someone wants to go to Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Sometimes I think the easiest way to save the US legal education system would be to attach an NDA to the LSAT where you pledge not to tell anyone you are taking the test until after you have a score.

Or you could simply require those taking out student loans to put together a business plan with data, etc. Even if you granted every non-ridiculous plan a student loan, the simple process of having to research the data and put together a business plan would stop most people from attending. The thought process isn't "I'll be the 1%!!!" It's:

Shit. I am graduating in a year. What will I do? Wake up and go to work every day? But what about friends? I'll need to make new friends. How will I do that if I'm working all day? Maybe my parents can front me money for a cool place to live - shit, no I'd have to live at home. Everyone will think I am a loser. Oh, I got it, you can get a loan for graduate school. What's Bobby doing? He's taking the LSAT - that's like a law school SAT, right? It's in 3 weeks - I can still sign up. Nice! Let me take it, and see what happens.

Alright, 142, that's not that bad. That's the average lawyer. Even if I'm not making a million my first year out, I can be like Jack McCoy. Oh god, that's so cool. Alright but maybe I should retake, I can get the state flagship - oh shit, the next test isn't until June and then I can't apply until the following year. What will I do for a year? Am I going to beg? Can't live at home, Peggy Pepperpants would think I'm such a loser.

You know what, it doesn't matter. I got this school. I never heard of it before, but it's the same degree. I could do anything. I could be a sports agent, shit, I can be president. Oh yeah, a goddamn president. Peggy Pepperpants will think I'm so fucking hot, and my mom, she'll be crying. I can just imagine what she'll tell the neighbors when I become president. And I'll be a good president, not like the others. I'll solve world hunger and implement a salary cap in Major League Baseball. What will Peggy say then?

Tommy is such a jealous dick, telling me that the odds are very small I'll ever be a millionaire or even a senator coming from this law school. He's going to Harvard, but I'm cooler than he is and he's jealous that I'm stealing his thunder that nerdy piece of shit. I'm going to kick his ass. You see, that's why I'll make it and he won't. He studies and has book smarts, sure, but I have street smarts. At the end of the day, it takes street smarts to make it, and I'm like a fucking street genius I have so many street smarts.

True, I've never seen the street but I was in 42nd Street, the school play junior year of high school. I was so good in it. I'm like Tom Cruise. Oh that's right Tom Cruise was a lawyer! Shit!!! I'll be just like Tom Cruise in a Few Good Men. He studied for a little bit, but then he fucked Demi Moore and ran into the court yelling, "You can't handle the truth!" I'm going to use that in law school next year. Professor will ask if the Planter or the Defender should win, and I'll be like, "You want answers?" Professor will be like, "I want the truth," and then I'll just stand up and yell, "You can't handle the truth, P!!!!" Then I'll storm out of class and slam the door like a boss, and Professor will be like, "A+!" Everyone else will think I'm so cool. Now where do I sign?

LOL dude, had some tears come to my eyes. Anyway, there is so much truth in that semi-serious semi-joking scenario. I know way too many people who decided to take the LSAT without studying. Who think a law degree is still a versatile degree. And who just don't get that all law schools aren't created equal. Most of these people are willfully ignorant. However, I think we can attribute some blame to the horrid pre-law advisors at colleges who are boomers and give terrible advice. I owe so much to this forum. If I had listened to my pre-advisor I'd be at SUNY Buffalo Law trying to practice corporate in NYC.

I also like the idea of having to make a business plan before entering law school. Perhaps they should implement a system where if you get below a 160 or something you cannot go to law school. Hopefully then these scamming-diploma mills will disappear and situations like OP's wouldn't occur.

Below a 160 would get struck out under a disparate impact lawsuit, which is changing the conversation so don't follow up and assume a 160 requirement for student loans would be unconstitutional. This is also why law schools use a "holistic assessment" when the data suggests otherwise. Holistic was a word mandated by the Supreme Court. It's also an excuse that's helpful in practice. For instance when a call comes in, "Where's that memo you lazy piece of shit?!?!" you can respond calmly, "I'm taking a holistic approach, chief." It's also useful when you're asked about your political opinions by overeager coworkers. "What's your stance on abortion?" "I take a holistic approach." Also when ordering dinner. "How do you take your steak?" "I take a holistic approach."

You could also reevaluate the loan each year taking a holistic approach. Most big loans and credit card terms will have some kind of debt:income ratio that affect how much you can borrow or when the lender can take the asset. If the odds of repayment go from 60% to 10% based on the first year, both the student and the taxpayer lose. It's an absolutely retarded system. What lender will, after seeing their odds at getting paid back go from 60 to 10%, say, "Awesome. Let's double down!"

[GoneSouth]

Disparate impact doesn't make things unconstitutional without a corresponding purpose to discriminate....

[HonestAdvice]

Disparate impact doesn't make things unconstitutional without a corresponding purpose to discriminate....

Sorry, civil rights act. Even under the constitution there's a difference between denying somebody the right to go to a school they've been admitted on the basis of a test and denying somebody a job on the basis of test. It's not necessarily true the former would be ruled the same way especially now that scalia deflated.

[Nonconsecutive]

Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Holy mother of God, I actually learned something from this thread.

[albanach]

Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Holy mother of God, I actually learned something from this thread.

Read it and weep. http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=262878

[gamerish]

Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Holy mother of God, I actually learned something from this thread.

The water is supplied by the tears of unemployed alumni

[HonestAdvice]

Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Holy mother of God, I actually learned something from this thread.

It's important to note that although the lazy river is located inside the gym, it's not for recreation. In 2010, Akron Law built the river to supplement its career services offices. It's a unique and unparalleled opportunity for law students to get acquainted with their post-law school housing situations. You don't have to worry about living on an inflatable raft in the river after law school if you're already living in one during law school. The law school bookstore even sells inflatable rafts, and if you buy your law school textbooks there you can get yourself a nice inflatable raft for 10% off.

I consulted with an alumni who actually has 2 rafts - one to sleep in and one as an office. He goes by the name of Trevor, no last name kind of like Prince, he's a cool cat that Trevor. He actually does alumni interviews in the Cuyahoga River. It's hard to pin down a specific longitude and latitude because he's always moving, but if you drive down the river you'll find him. He also operates a small crabbing business on the side, fishing for crabs to subsidize his malpractice insurance, which has tripled in the past year on account of one of his clients drowning. You really can't hold it against the man though. I mean, if you can't swim, don't use a lawyer on a raft, but I think it all goes to show how in demand Trevor's services really are all thanks to Akron. If you're looking for practical experience, go to Trevor. He'll give you a real waterfall.

[JGMotorsport]

My school only allows up to 4% of a class to receive a D or an F.

How'd you manage this? I actually had a professor tell us how to get at least a C+ in a class the day before the test, the answer was to show up and put down the standard for Eminent Domain. That was it.

[jbagelboy]

There is essentially no scenario where you should not drop out.

[Pomeranian]

http://www.jdunderground.com/all/thread ... dId=108293

OP is this you? Did you fail another class?

I'm assuming it is b/c of the similar username... I would drop out. There's no shame; you just found out a path that wasn't for you.

[Jordan Catalano]

My school only allows up to 4% of a class to receive a D or an F

This is terrible. How come people are OK with this level of academic performance for those who are going to become lawyers? If a student cannot comprehend the material then you should fail them. Make them take the course over until they demonstrate they understand the material. This type of grading system encourages poor performance.

[lavarman84]

Is there a way to compile the OP's threads (or rather the highlights) into a single cautionary tale thread?

If folk would just refrain from telling their family and friends that they're going to law school BEFORE they have a decent LSAT score, they wouldn't feel so compelled to attend when they find they can't get above a 153. Too often we read tales of woe where people clearly felt they must still go, because they already told everyone they know that they are going. And then we get threads like this, or where someone wants to go to Akron because the gym has a lazy river.

Sometimes I think the easiest way to save the US legal education system would be to attach an NDA to the LSAT where you pledge not to tell anyone you are taking the test until after you have a score.

Or you could simply require those taking out student loans to put together a business plan with data, etc. Even if you granted every non-ridiculous plan a student loan, the simple process of having to research the data and put together a business plan would stop most people from attending. The thought process isn't "I'll be the 1%!!!" It's:

Shit. I am graduating in a year. What will I do? Wake up and go to work every day? But what about friends? I'll need to make new friends. How will I do that if I'm working all day? Maybe my parents can front me money for a cool place to live - shit, no I'd have to live at home. Everyone will think I am a loser. Oh, I got it, you can get a loan for graduate school. What's Bobby doing? He's taking the LSAT - that's like a law school SAT, right? It's in 3 weeks - I can still sign up. Nice! Let me take it, and see what happens.

Alright, 142, that's not that bad. That's the average lawyer. Even if I'm not making a million my first year out, I can be like Jack McCoy. Oh god, that's so cool. Alright but maybe I should retake, I can get the state flagship - oh shit, the next test isn't until June and then I can't apply until the following year. What will I do for a year? Am I going to beg? Can't live at home, Peggy Pepperpants would think I'm such a loser.

LOL

This was totally my life. Except I scored decently on the LSAT which allowed me to go to a decent school and I didn't have to take out loans.

Got to Senior year, had my heart set on a certain job, and I found out a position wouldn't be available in January. Totally panicked. Took the February LSAT without studying because I couldn't think of anything else to do. Then applied to a bunch of law schools and got into the one I was hoping for. And said, "Fuck it, I guess I'm going to law school."

Yea, I was a total dumbass. Wish I had known about TLS back then. Would have taken a year off and studied for the LSAT.

But things actually ended up working out.

[Rhiannon17]

My school has a grading system where the numbers range from 99-65. We have a mandatory curve of 84.5 with a deviation of .5 up or down.
99-90=A
89-83=B
82-76= C
75-70=D
69-65=F

We don't have the +/- system.

My own personal grades from the first 2 years of law school have a 23-point range. Many of my classmates have grades where their grades are clustered together (i.e. will make grades ranging from 84-88 over and over). With me, I've had everything from a low A to a D. When it gets times for grades to come out, I never know what in the hell I am going to see. I got my super low D first semester of law school. By first semester of 2L year, I brought my GPA up 5 overall points from 1L Fall semester. Improvement can happen. For me, it seems like the classes I hate the most, I do best in, and the classes I love, I disappoint myself. My school has a policy that if your GPA falls below a 76.00 one semester, you are put on academic probation. If you don't bring it up over that the second semester, they fail you out. That's only happened to one person in 3 years, though. Others have came close. Not sure what your school's mandatory minimum GPA is for enrollment.

Whether or not you drop out all just depends on what you want to do and where you are located. For example, I live in the south, go to a law school not ranked impressively nationally, but one that is well-respected in my region and has turned out one Supreme Court nominee and some HIGHLY successful trial attorneys and has very highly respected faculty members. I am in the bottom half of my class. I intend to live and practice in the south. I have never desired to work for a firm. That's not why I went to law school. I met a criminal defense attorney last summer who said he graduated second to last in his class at a California law school and took the California bar 9 times before he passed. He rented some office space from a friend who was an attorney and built a clientele, then within a couple of years went solo. He is now financially comfortable and a functional, happy attorney.

[Cicero76]

My school has a grading system where the numbers range from 99-65. We have a mandatory curve of 84.5 with a deviation of .5 up or down.
99-90=A
89-83=B
82-76= C
75-70=D
69-65=F

We don't have the +/- system.

My own personal grades from the first 2 years of law school have a 23-point range. Many of my classmates have grades where their grades are clustered together (i.e. will make grades ranging from 84-88 over and over). With me, I've had everything from a low A to a D. When it gets times for grades to come out, I never know what in the hell I am going to see. I got my super low D first semester of law school. By first semester of 2L year, I brought my GPA up 5 overall points from 1L Fall semester. Improvement can happen. For me, it seems like the classes I hate the most, I do best in, and the classes I love, I disappoint myself. My school has a policy that if your GPA falls below a 76.00 one semester, you are put on academic probation. If you don't bring it up over that the second semester, they fail you out. That's only happened to one person in 3 years, though. Others have came close. Not sure what your school's mandatory minimum GPA is for enrollment.

Whether or not you drop out all just depends on what you want to do and where you are located. For example, I live in the south, go to a law school not ranked impressively nationally, but one that is well-respected in my region and has turned out one Supreme Court nominee and some HIGHLY successful trial attorneys and has very highly respected faculty members. I am in the bottom half of my class. I intend to live and practice in the south. I have never desired to work for a firm. That's not why I went to law school. I met a criminal defense attorney last summer who said he graduated second to last in his class at a California law school and took the California bar 9 times before he passed. He rented some office space from a friend who was an attorney and built a clientele, then within a couple of years went solo. He is now financially comfortable and a functional, happy attorney.

Might be the first time I've ever seen Harriet Myers referred to with actual pride.

[Mr. Peanutbutter]

[Rhiannon17]

My school has a grading system where the numbers range from 99-65. We have a mandatory curve of 84.5 with a deviation of .5 up or down.
99-90=A
89-83=B
82-76= C
75-70=D
69-65=F

We don't have the +/- system.

My own personal grades from the first 2 years of law school have a 23-point range. Many of my classmates have grades where their grades are clustered together (i.e. will make grades ranging from 84-88 over and over). With me, I've had everything from a low A to a D. When it gets times for grades to come out, I never know what in the hell I am going to see. I got my super low D first semester of law school. By first semester of 2L year, I brought my GPA up 5 overall points from 1L Fall semester. Improvement can happen. For me, it seems like the classes I hate the most, I do best in, and the classes I love, I disappoint myself. My school has a policy that if your GPA falls below a 76.00 one semester, you are put on academic probation. If you don't bring it up over that the second semester, they fail you out. That's only happened to one person in 3 years, though. Others have came close. Not sure what your school's mandatory minimum GPA is for enrollment.

Whether or not you drop out all just depends on what you want to do and where you are located. For example, I live in the south, go to a law school not ranked impressively nationally, but one that is well-respected in my region and has turned out one Supreme Court nominee and some HIGHLY successful trial attorneys and has very highly respected faculty members. I am in the bottom half of my class. I intend to live and practice in the south. I have never desired to work for a firm. That's not why I went to law school. I met a criminal defense attorney last summer who said he graduated second to last in his class at a California law school and took the California bar 9 times before he passed. He rented some office space from a friend who was an attorney and built a clientele, then within a couple of years went solo. He is now financially comfortable and a functional, happy attorney.

Might be the first time I've ever seen Harriet Myers referred to with actual pride.

Was definitely not Harriet Miers.