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[GFox345]

1Ls or 2Ls?

Are you asking me? I am really not sure at all whether they are 1Ls or 2Ls. I know someone personally that I worked with as a Paralegal before she left for Law School, and she will be an SA as a 1L this summer, but I can't speak for last summer or this summer's class beyond that.

I bet at most 1 or 2 is a 1L but good chance they are all 2Ls

Is Kirkland really trying to convince themselves they are a V5? That's almost as bad as trying to group Penn in with actual elite law schools.

You sound fun.

Consider my feelings SHATTERED

My intent was not to SHATTER your feelings. But being as pathologically list-obsessed are you are admits of a definite lack of knowledge. I may be totally misunderstanding, but both the Vault and USNWR are meaningless beyond a certain point of analysis.

For instance, the difference between V5 and V10 to me seems trivial at best. If you can point to one serious pratical implication for working at a V-5 firm vs. Kirkland, I would be surprised. At some point there is plenty of high-profile work to go around, and you insisting on the order suggested on the list beyond that point is just foolish.

In the case of the USNWR there are indeed well-documented differences in practical outcomes between, say, #5 and #10, but usually this varies from year to year, and in my practical experience, no one really gives a shit if you went to Michigan or the University of Chicago in the professional world (although the U of C certainly has better biglaw prospects).

I will say that Yale graduates tend to raise eyebrows in my experience, but the fact of the matter is that I have worked with associates that run the spectrum from Harvard to Georgetown, and the Harvard graduates are not held in any sort of special esteem. An elite school is an elite school, and trying to insist on the difference in prestige between Penn and NYU is literally just useless elitist posturing that no one actually cares about. Paying close attention to the rankings is a healthy behavior, but if you are one of those T6 vs. T9 idiots, then there's not much to be said for you.

[A. Nony Mouse]

I think you're misreading Zuck. He thinks rankings are dumb. Which is why he was amused at inflating a firm on any ranking.

[BigZuck]

Look duder don't do the pompous "Basless conjecture, I work at a V5!!!" thing. Especially when your conjecture is baseless and you only work at a lowly V10. It's http://www.toplawschools.com and we are all VERY prestigious people, I get that. But come on.

Same thing with the OP. You can go to Penn without trying to stroke your own ego even harder.

[GFox345]

1Ls or 2Ls?

Are you asking me? I am really not sure at all whether they are 1Ls or 2Ls. I know someone personally that I worked with as a Paralegal before she left for Law School, and she will be an SA as a 1L this summer, but I can't speak for last summer or this summer's class beyond that.

I ask just because everyone knows there are lots of 2L SAs, it's 1L SAs that seem much less common.

NALP hasn't been updated for the most recent year and has nothing on 2014 but in 2013 looks like Kirkland Chicago had 37 2Ls and 1 1L. Presumably 2014 had no 1Ls. Doubt they had 10 in 2015.

You might want to check your RC on this one. I was responding to a quote in which the poster alleged that there were 900 SA positions in the entire nation, to which I responded that there were 10 SAs in the Litigation Practice Group alone in the Chicago Office of Kirkland. I was later asked whether they were 1Ls or 2Ls, and I clearly responded that I did not know with the exception of one person that I know personally.

[BigZuck]

1Ls or 2Ls?

Are you asking me? I am really not sure at all whether they are 1Ls or 2Ls. I know someone personally that I worked with as a Paralegal before she left for Law School, and she will be an SA as a 1L this summer, but I can't speak for last summer or this summer's class beyond that.

I ask just because everyone knows there are lots of 2L SAs, it's 1L SAs that seem much less common.

NALP hasn't been updated for the most recent year and has nothing on 2014 but in 2013 looks like Kirkland Chicago had 37 2Ls and 1 1L. Presumably 2014 had no 1Ls. Doubt they had 10 in 2015.

You might want to check your RC on this one. I was responding to a quote in which the poster alleged that there were 900 SA positions in the entire nation, to which I responded that there were 10 SAs in the Litigation Practice Group alone in the Chicago Office of Kirkland. I was later asked whether they were 1Ls or 2Ls, and I clearly responded that I did not know with the exception of one person that I know personally.

Telling me to check my RC here has just got to be performance art

[GFox345]

Look duder don't do the pompous "Basless conjecture, I work at a V5!!!" thing. Especially when your conjecture is baseless and you only work at a lowly V10. It's http://www.toplawschools.com and we are all VERY prestigious people, I get that. But come on.

Same thing with the OP. You can go to Penn without trying to stroke your own ego even harder.

I really wasn't trying to be pompous. I was just trying to use the Vault rankings as an indication of the size of the firm. It would have sufficed to say large firm. I don't think it is particularly prestigious to work as a Paralegal at a large firm. I just comes with the added benefit of getting to witness the inner workings of a large firm first-hand.

[BigZuck]

I thought the V62/SHATTER thing was pretty clear but Nony you're going to have to take this from here, I don't think he's smelling what I'm cooking

The 900 1L SAs nationwide thing was what really tripped him up to begin with, if we unwind from that point maybe he'll get it.

[GFox345]

I thought the V62/SHATTER thing was pretty clear but Nony you're going to have to take this from here, I don't think he's smelling what I'm cooking

The 900 1L SAs nationwide thing was what really tripped him up to begin with, if we unwind from that point maybe he'll get it.

I apologize for getting so up-in-arms. I understand now that you were being sarcastic, but you have to realize that it's really not uncommon to encounter that kind of ridiculous distinction on TLS, and without the benefit of hearing your tone of voice, I literally thought you were serious about the Penn and V62 thing. I hope there are no hard feelings!

[BigZuck]

I thought the V62/SHATTER thing was pretty clear but Nony you're going to have to take this from here, I don't think he's smelling what I'm cooking

The 900 1L SAs nationwide thing was what really tripped him up to begin with, if we unwind from that point maybe he'll get it.

I apologize for getting so up-in-arms. I understand now that you were being sarcastic, but you have to realize that it's really not uncommon to encounter that kind of ridiculous distinction on TLS, and without the benefit of hearing your tone of voice, I literally thought you were serious about the Penn and V62 thing. I hope there are no hard feelings!

It's not a big deal at all and of course there's no hard feelings

But you don't really see those types of (serious) distinctions from people who know what they are talking about. It's usually just 0Ls like the OP or people who are joking/trolling. It's a common joke and TLS gets really, really meta a lot of the time (guilty as charged there) but if you read TLS enough you'll start to realize what is jokes and what's not. And then luckily we have someone who is nice and patient and literal like Nony to set everyone straight.

This was what PNJ said though:

There are 900 1Ls between HYS. There are probably around that many 1L SAs available in the nation. You do the math.

Hes saying there are 900 (or so) 1L SAs nationwide. I don't think that's an underestimation at all, I actually think it is a sizeable overestimation.

[Serett]

This went well.

[PJam1989]

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[BigZuck]

Thank you all for the responses, and I apologize for part of this thread turning into a bit of an argument. With that being said, it seems that most students do not wind up with a SA position after 1L. For the students who do, how is it obtained? Is there OCI for 1L students? Do they get lucky by mass mailing? How do law students entering the summer after 1L but before 2L actually land SA positions?

Generally via direct applications to firms on or shortly after Dec 1st of their 1L year