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[zot1]

One of my passions in life is health and physical fitness. Current or former BigLaw associates, can you still go to the gym 4 days a week for 1 hour per work out and be a rising star?

Sure, just plan on sleeping in your office, because you'll probably be doing your hour from 1am-2am in the building's gym some nights.

This is exemplary of why you're getting so much flak in this thread. My passions do not include health and physical fitness. I enjoy being healthy and physically fit, but it's not a top priority to me. Even so, before law school (when I only had a career to worry about), I was doing much more than 4 hours per week in the gym. I was probably closer to 8 or 9, and it wasn't my passion. Those who did have a passion for health and physical fitness got to the gym an hour before me every day and left an hour after me every day. Their passion got them out of bed at 4:30 in the morning so that they could spend 3 hours at the gym before work. Some of them took off at lunch to do another hour on the track or treadmill. Then they would do some sport for another hour or two in the evening after work. Their passion consumed their schedule.

If something you're passionate about is only worth 4 hours of your time per week, what are you going to do when something that isn't your passion (doc review, for instance) eats up 90 hours of your week?

People leave biglaw because $160k isn't worth having to choose between going to the gym for an hour and sleeping. $160k isn't worth having to choose between seeing your significant other and staying on track with your billables. $160k isn't worth spending the entirety of your waking hours for weeks at a time in a small room staring at a computer screen doing boring tasks in preparation for a partner to go do the fun stuff in front of the judge. $160k isn't worth it for a 15% chance of actually being nominated for partner and an 85% chance of not-so-subtly being kicked to the curb after 5-7 years of service to the firm.

Biglaw needs to be your passion, and not just your 4 hour per week passion, in order for you to survive. I apologize for being harsh, but I think you don't understand how much hard work actually goes into being a biglaw associate if you want to stay on partner track.

So much this.

Sure, it would be nice to make twice what I'm making now, but it is simply not worth it to me. I have a nice house, can pay my bills, and have time to spend with family and friends. Giving that up for a nicer car? Not worth it. Giving that up so I can walk into a club and get bottle service? Not worth it. I have a comfortable life and I have time to be a person and chill or do whatever. You really can't put a price on that.

[Danger Zone]

Browsing the topics that OP has previously started makes me want to believe he is flame.

[PJam1989]

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[fats provolone]

got 'em

[Danger Zone]

And considering the fact that you have over 5,400 posts makes me want to believe your a loser who lives in mommy's basement hanging out on the computer all day.

Uh EXCUSE ME but it's over 6,400 tyvm

[A. Nony Mouse]

And considering the fact that you have over 5,400 posts makes me want to believe your a loser who lives in mommy's basement hanging out on the computer all day.

Why do people always act like this means something other than law students are on their computers a LOT, and type fast? It's not like posting that much actually requires work.

[Danger Zone]

But seriously nony how comfortable is your mom's basement

[A. Nony Mouse]

LUXURIOUS TYVM

[03152016]

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/memberlist.php

somehow i'm not top 50 but i think a lot of my posts were auto-pruned

[dabigchina]

$160k isn't worth it for a 15% chance of actually being nominated for partner and an 85% chance of not-so-subtly being kicked to the curb after 5-7 years of service to the firm.

Chances of making partner are that high?

[fats provolone]

no

[totesTheGoat]

$160k isn't worth it for a 15% chance of actually being nominated for partner and an 85% chance of not-so-subtly being kicked to the curb after 5-7 years of service to the firm.

Chances of making partner are that high?

I was being very generous.

[patentlitigatrix]

I think some firms are more reasonable than others. I am now at a midsize firm, and we get loads of laterals coming over from "prestigious" firms. My firm pays the same as base salary as biglaw, and while we are quite busy, there is a different attitude about burning out associates and also actually promoting associates to partner from within (we don't really do lateral partners). I feel like the partners I work with do care about my professional development, and they provide useful advice about building my practice and teach me how to do business development. While the bonuses are not NY market, and the PPP is a bit less than true biglaw, I could see staying here for the long-haul.

[Lawdork]

I feel like 90% of current biglaw associates who know they will have to leave won't admit that they aren't partner material and just say "oh the hours suck, i hate my life, pay isn't worth it, i don't want to be partner, etc" as a way to justify their situation. But being partnership material doesn't entail much more than being good at firm politics and/or having leverage (via book of business), doesn't reflect on your talent as a lawyer.

[Cogburn87]

I feel like 90% of current biglaw associates who know they will have to leave won't admit that they aren't partner material and just say "oh the hours suck, i hate my life, pay isn't worth it, i don't want to be partner, etc" as a way to justify their situation. But being partnership material doesn't entail much more than being good at firm politics and/or having leverage (via book of business), doesn't reflect on your talent as a lawyer.

Are you partnership material, friend?

[fats provolone]

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[Lawdork]

I feel like 90% of current biglaw associates who know they will have to leave won't admit that they aren't partner material and just say "oh the hours suck, i hate my life, pay isn't worth it, i don't want to be partner, etc" as a way to justify their situation. But being partnership material doesn't entail much more than being good at firm politics and/or having leverage (via book of business), doesn't reflect on your talent as a lawyer.

Are you partnership material, friend?

Highly doubt it, i'm not outgoing enough

[rpupkin]

I feel like 90% of current biglaw associates who know they will have to leave won't admit that they aren't partner material and just say "oh the hours suck, i hate my life, pay isn't worth it, i don't want to be partner, etc" as a way to justify their situation. But being partnership material doesn't entail much more than being good at firm politics and/or having leverage (via book of business), doesn't reflect on your talent as a lawyer.

Are you partnership material, friend?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3NlnLySnq0

[fats provolone]

I feel like 90% of current biglaw associates who know they will have to leave won't admit that they aren't partner material and just say "oh the hours suck, i hate my life, pay isn't worth it, i don't want to be partner, etc" as a way to justify their situation. But being partnership material doesn't entail much more than being good at firm politics and/or having leverage (via book of business), doesn't reflect on your talent as a lawyer.

Are you partnership material, friend?

Highly doubt it, i'm not outgoing enough

are you a current biglaw associate, friend?

[Lawdork]

I feel like 90% of current biglaw associates who know they will have to leave won't admit that they aren't partner material and just say "oh the hours suck, i hate my life, pay isn't worth it, i don't want to be partner, etc" as a way to justify their situation. But being partnership material doesn't entail much more than being good at firm politics and/or having leverage (via book of business), doesn't reflect on your talent as a lawyer.

Are you partnership material, friend?

Highly doubt it, i'm not outgoing enough

are you a current biglaw associate, friend?

negative, but am i wrong though? didn't mean to touch a nerve

[rpupkin]

I feel like 90% of current biglaw associates who know they will have to leave won't admit that they aren't partner material and just say "oh the hours suck, i hate my life, pay isn't worth it, i don't want to be partner, etc" as a way to justify their situation. But being partnership material doesn't entail much more than being good at firm politics and/or having leverage (via book of business), doesn't reflect on your talent as a lawyer.

Are you partnership material, friend?

Highly doubt it, i'm not outgoing enough

are you a current biglaw associate, friend?

One of my favorite things is when 1Ls use Boomerisms to diagnose what ails those who don't succeed at law firms.

[Lawdork]

just trying to spark debate is all

[Lawdork]

lol what i said is not a boomerism. "hard work" "pull up your bootstraps" "quit being entitled" would be more apt

[rpupkin]

lol what i said is not a boomerism. "hard work" "pull up your bootstraps" "quit being entitled" would be more apt

"Partnership material" is a boomerism, my friend.

[AReasonableMan]

I feel like 90% of current biglaw associates who know they will have to leave won't admit that they aren't partner material and just say "oh the hours suck, i hate my life, pay isn't worth it, i don't want to be partner, etc" as a way to justify their situation. But being partnership material doesn't entail much more than being good at firm politics and/or having leverage (via book of business), doesn't reflect on your talent as a lawyer.

Most lawyers with a lot of clients are incredibly talented or were before checking out