What are the chances at Biglaw when you graduate from a T14? Forum

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:42 am

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ymmv · Post by **ymmv** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:43 am

papercut wrote:
ymmv wrote:
flawschoolkid wrote:
DELG wrote:Something like $96k is the minimum for fairly "big" firms with hiring and operational models that would seem familiar to people in biglaw. As mentioned above, this is probably getting paid to people in, like, Pittsburgh.

That said, 160 is not the floor anywhere, not even NYC. Other people might argue that a firm paying 145 or 120 in NYC isn't biglaw, but there are firms paying those salaries in NY with 100+ attorneys.
"Market" in Pittsburgh is 145, and I've found a solid handful of firms pay that, with a few right below between 130-135. FYI.
Damn. $145k in Pittsburgh is living like a king.
The ppl making 160 on the NYC scale in Dallas/Houston really have it made. Unless they really hate living in Tx.

If I didn't loathe suburbia I would probably live in Texas and buy a minimansion for pretzels. I don't understand people who choose to work in New York but live an hour out of the city, which defeats the entire purpose of working in New York.

(Obviously ignoring fact that 99% of us cannot be choosy about our legal markets anyway)

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:47 am

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DELG · Post by **DELG** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:55 am

MistakenGenius wrote:
ymmv wrote:
If I didn't loathe suburbia I would probably live in Texas and buy a minimansion for pretzels. I don't understand people who choose to work in New York but live an hour out of the city, which defeats the entire purpose of working in New York.

(Obviously ignoring fact that 99% of us cannot be choosy about our legal markets anyway)
I don't see any positives about living in a city the size of New York, but living an hour out defeats the purpose, why? You'd be able to go to clubs, shows, and restaurants just fine, but you wouldn't have to put up with the filth or the rudeness of people. Also, how can you hate suburbia? Is it the lack of crime?

lol @ crime in Manhattan. Or the city center of pretty much any other major American city.

papercut · Post by **papercut** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:58 am

MistakenGenius wrote:
ymmv wrote:
If I didn't loathe suburbia I would probably live in Texas and buy a minimansion for pretzels. I don't understand people who choose to work in New York but live an hour out of the city, which defeats the entire purpose of working in New York.

(Obviously ignoring fact that 99% of us cannot be choosy about our legal markets anyway)
I don't see any positives about living in a city the size of New York, but living an hour out defeats the purpose, why? You'd be able to go to clubs, shows, and restaurants just fine, but you wouldn't have to put up with the filth or the rudeness of people. Also, how can you hate suburbia? Is it the lack of crime?

I hate suburbia too. You have to drive everywhere. You can live there for years and not know the people around you. Your kids won't necessarily have anyone to hang out with in the neighborhood, so you'll have to drive them on play dates well into their teens. Commuting an hour to work is awful compared to just being able to walk to work.

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:58 am

MistakenGenius wrote:
ymmv wrote:
If I didn't loathe suburbia I would probably live in Texas and buy a minimansion for pretzels. I don't understand people who choose to work in New York but live an hour out of the city, which defeats the entire purpose of working in New York.

(Obviously ignoring fact that 99% of us cannot be choosy about our legal markets anyway)
I don't see any positives about living in a city the size of New York, but living an hour out defeats the purpose, why? You'd be able to go to clubs, shows, and restaurants just fine, but you wouldn't have to put up with the filth or the rudeness of people. Also, how can you hate suburbia? Is it the lack of crime?

Lots of people loathe suburbia. Probably depends on which suburbs. Some suburbs are cookie cutter homogenous soulless places existing only as a place for people who work elsewhere to sleep. Some suburbs are lovely.

DELG · Post by **DELG** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:02 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:
ymmv wrote:
If I didn't loathe suburbia I would probably live in Texas and buy a minimansion for pretzels. I don't understand people who choose to work in New York but live an hour out of the city, which defeats the entire purpose of working in New York.

(Obviously ignoring fact that 99% of us cannot be choosy about our legal markets anyway)
I don't see any positives about living in a city the size of New York, but living an hour out defeats the purpose, why? You'd be able to go to clubs, shows, and restaurants just fine, but you wouldn't have to put up with the filth or the rudeness of people. Also, how can you hate suburbia? Is it the lack of crime?
Lots of people loathe suburbia. Probably depends on which suburbs. Some suburbs are cookie cutter homogenous soulless places existing only as a place for people who work elsewhere to sleep. Some suburbs are lovely.

False. No suburb is lovely.

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:04 am

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DELG · Post by **DELG** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:09 am

LOLOLOLOL did u actually look at the raw data

300% increase because rapes went from 1 to 4?

Come on that graph shows how shockingly safe manhattan is per capita

ymmv · Post by **ymmv** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:10 am

MistakenGenius wrote:
ymmv wrote:
If I didn't loathe suburbia I would probably live in Texas and buy a minimansion for pretzels. I don't understand people who choose to work in New York but live an hour out of the city, which defeats the entire purpose of working in New York.

(Obviously ignoring fact that 99% of us cannot be choosy about our legal markets anyway)
I don't see any positives about living in a city the size of New York, but living an hour out defeats the purpose, why? You'd be able to go to clubs, shows, and restaurants just fine,

1. Unless you are a piece of shit drunk driving type, you cannot really enjoy clubs/restaurants if you commute by car.
2. You waste two hours of your life a day in lifespan-reducing road rage stress commuting to a job that probably eats 10-12 hours of your day as it is. Let's not even talk about city parking.
3. You can't walk to shit or enjoy your city neighborhood/nightlife.
4. You'd live in a goddamn suburb.

MistakenGenius wrote: but you wouldn't have to put up with the filth or the rudeness of people. Also, how can you hate suburbia? Is it the lack of crime?

I have not found city folk any "ruder" on average than country or suburban folk - just a little bit more in a hurry sometimes. And I happen to like my neighbors, who make up a pretty wonderful small-town community feel despite us being smack dab in the middle of a city. I've made friends or acquaintances all over town from a thousand different walks of life and enjoy seeing the folks I know at my regular hangouts.

And lol @ the flame of crime in a place like Manhattan. We are not talking about living in a ghetto.

Living in a city is fucking awesome for so many reasons that it's hard to know where to begin. I hate suburbia because it features all of the boredom, isolation, and impracticality of the country without any of the country's benefits (beautiful woods, mountains for hiking, empty roads, etc.). I will live in a big city, maaaybe a lively small town or out in the country, but cookie-cutter 90s-in-amber suburbia is the most soul-draining shit imaginable. Never going back.

DELG · Post by **DELG** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:12 am

I never said there was crime in Manhattan, I said there was a lack of crime in suburbia

So you're not saying that cities have crime, just that suburbs lack it, but that's somehow a point for suburbs? Ok Chicago > NYC because Chicago isn't currently in a nuclear winter

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:13 am

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ymmv · Post by **ymmv** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:16 am

MistakenGenius wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:
ymmv wrote:
If I didn't loathe suburbia I would probably live in Texas and buy a minimansion for pretzels. I don't understand people who choose to work in New York but live an hour out of the city, which defeats the entire purpose of working in New York.

(Obviously ignoring fact that 99% of us cannot be choosy about our legal markets anyway)
I don't see any positives about living in a city the size of New York, but living an hour out defeats the purpose, why? You'd be able to go to clubs, shows, and restaurants just fine, but you wouldn't have to put up with the filth or the rudeness of people. Also, how can you hate suburbia? Is it the lack of crime?
Lots of people loathe suburbia. Probably depends on which suburbs. Some suburbs are cookie cutter homogenous soulless places existing only as a place for people who work elsewhere to sleep. Some suburbs are lovely.
Maybe it's because I'm from a shitty urban area, but those cookie cutter places are okay by me. If soul means gunshots at night, I'll take being soulless.

OK, I didn't realize you were just hear to troll.

MistakenGenius wrote: I've never seen a suburb I wouldn't take over the inner city. I still fail to see how people hate suburbs. So they can be "lifeless," whatever that means. They're also safer, less polluted, have a cheaper COL over the big inner cities, allow you to experience the amenities of cities without the negatives, are closer to nature (Central Park is the worst excuse for nature in the world), more private, are cleaner, are bigger (New York is so cramped), and you can raise your children to have a real childhood there. Suburbs rock. But to each his own YMMV, let me go enjoy my yard. Maybe I'll let my dogs run free or go for a swim (there's this thing called water and you can go splash around in it. It's a hoot.).

Yeah I think we have established you lack the requisite life experience to hold an opinion on this issue.

Actually I guess your point about yards is legit if you like that shit, but there are few things in this world I hate more than lawns and yardwork, so definitely to each their own there. But lawns are not "nature" lol.

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:24 am

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ymmv · Post by **ymmv** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:28 am

MistakenGenius wrote: Anyway, this is off topic, we're discussing Biglaw chances for T14. Get back on topic.

OP is flame enough to be locked. Original "topic" is 2 seconds of Googling/endthread and not worth getting back on.

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:30 am

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A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:00 am

I was going off topic myself in this one. But I've just banned the OP as an alt of a past troll, so in this case I'm not that concerned.

rayiner · Post by **rayiner** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:01 am

MistakenGenius wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:
ymmv wrote:
If I didn't loathe suburbia I would probably live in Texas and buy a minimansion for pretzels. I don't understand people who choose to work in New York but live an hour out of the city, which defeats the entire purpose of working in New York.

(Obviously ignoring fact that 99% of us cannot be choosy about our legal markets anyway)
I don't see any positives about living in a city the size of New York, but living an hour out defeats the purpose, why? You'd be able to go to clubs, shows, and restaurants just fine, but you wouldn't have to put up with the filth or the rudeness of people. Also, how can you hate suburbia? Is it the lack of crime?
Lots of people loathe suburbia. Probably depends on which suburbs. Some suburbs are cookie cutter homogenous soulless places existing only as a place for people who work elsewhere to sleep. Some suburbs are lovely.
Maybe it's because I'm from a shitty urban area, but those cookie cutter places are okay by me. If soul means gunshots at night, I'll take being soulless. I've never seen a suburb I wouldn't take over the inner city. I still fail to see how people hate suburbs. So they can be "lifeless," whatever that means. They're also safer, less polluted, have a cheaper COL over the big inner cities, allow you to experience the amenities of cities without the negatives, are closer to nature (Central Park is the worst excuse for nature in the world), more private, are cleaner, are bigger (New York is so cramped), and you can raise your children to have a real childhood there. Suburbs rock. But to each his own YMMV, let me go enjoy my yard. Maybe I'll let my dogs run free or go for a swim (there's this thing called water and you can go splash around in it. It's a hoot.)

Read the article other than the graph. It was a pretty large change for a single year for that area.

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A "real childhood" in the suburbs means being in the car literally all the time from age 5-16, then white-knuckling for a couple of years while your progeny drive themselves around in suicide-boxes.

A. Nony Mouse · Post by **A. Nony Mouse** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:09 am

If we are still talking suburbs - there are a lot of lovely suburbs of Boston, because they were originally all their own towns that got gradually enveloped by the city. Plenty of people can't afford to live in them, but they're really nice.

Maybe it's because I'm from a shitty urban area, but those cookie cutter places are okay by me. If soul means gunshots at night, I'll take being soulless. I've never seen a suburb I wouldn't take over the inner city. I still fail to see how people hate suburbs. So they can be "lifeless," whatever that means. They're also safer, less polluted, have a cheaper COL over the big inner cities, allow you to experience the amenities of cities without the negatives, are closer to nature (Central Park is the worst excuse for nature in the world), more private, are cleaner, are bigger (New York is so cramped), and you can raise your children to have a real childhood there. Suburbs rock. But to each his own YMMV, let me go enjoy my yard. Maybe I'll let my dogs run free or go for a swim (there's this thing called water and you can go splash around in it. It's a hoot.)

I mean, obviously there are lots of people who feel this way. But if you don't have/want kids, don't like driving/chain culture, want a lot of variety in terms of food/entertainment/people, and have certain aesthetic preferences for your home, then a lot of suburbs lose their appeal. It's not like the only alternative is living in the hood.

ymmv · Post by **ymmv** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:14 am

I would definitely concede the Boston exception because those subsumed neighborhoods were thriving towns of their own and have much more of an urban flavor even today. Similarly a place like Manayunk in Philly or maaaaybe Hoboken for NY if we're flexible with geographic definitions.

Anyway, my original point, Mistaken, was that there are very good reasons to prefer living in NY to driving into it.

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:16 am

DELG wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:
ymmv wrote:
If I didn't loathe suburbia I would probably live in Texas and buy a minimansion for pretzels. I don't understand people who choose to work in New York but live an hour out of the city, which defeats the entire purpose of working in New York.

(Obviously ignoring fact that 99% of us cannot be choosy about our legal markets anyway)
I don't see any positives about living in a city the size of New York, but living an hour out defeats the purpose, why? You'd be able to go to clubs, shows, and restaurants just fine, but you wouldn't have to put up with the filth or the rudeness of people. Also, how can you hate suburbia? Is it the lack of crime?
Lots of people loathe suburbia. Probably depends on which suburbs. Some suburbs are cookie cutter homogenous soulless places existing only as a place for people who work elsewhere to sleep. Some suburbs are lovely.
False. No suburb is lovely.

Corona del mar / Newport Coast

FSK · Post by **FSK** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:53 pm

I can confirm that 145 in Pittsburgh is living like a king, especially since the city is revitalizing with the infusion of Oil & Gas money.

Stringer Bell · Post by **Stringer Bell** » Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:05 pm

flawschoolkid wrote:I can confirm that 145 in Pittsburgh is living like a king, especially since the city is revitalizing with the infusion of Oil & Gas money.

Shouldn't this increase COL? Areas of the country that are doing relatively well economically are having COL jump up quite a bit with the huge jumps in the population. Williston, North Dakota is probably the most extreme example of this.