Is GULC worth 140k debt w/ 100% confidenc oftop 10% clasrank Forum

[CardozoLaw09]

Why are you sure of top 10% ? Do you understand the mandatory curve? Why is GULC your only option?

He wasn't 100% confident of top UG grades and LSAT score.

lol!

[mionilk]

Ok, obviously you guys don't know me, but I do whatever it takes to get whatever grades I have to get. I mean anything. I was notorious for this in undergrad and am absolutely confident I can outdo the lot of average law student.

What was your uGPA?

3.7, but my freshman year was a wash.

And thanks guys, I see that it may be unrealistic but I really think you're underestimating my work ethic.

[moralsentiments]

Ok, obviously you guys don't know me, but I do whatever it takes to get whatever grades I have to get. I mean anything. I was notorious for this in undergrad and am absolutely confident I can outdo the lot of average law student.

You won't be in class with average law students. The T14 comprises roughly the top 20% of law students, so if you place yourself in the top 10% of all law students, you're about median at a T14.

If you're so confident, you should attend GWAmerican University for free and save yourself the debt.

This is dumb. You know how many philosophy majors who took the LSAT 3 times to break 170 are admitted to T14. That sounds pretty average to me. The T14 aren't comprised of purely rockstar undergrads who majored in tough subjects, killed it and took the LSAT once for a 175+. While that happens, I seriously doubt it makes up any significant %. It's not surprise you see an increase in high LSAT scores and a decrease in low scores as the years have gone on...it's because people can take the test essentially as many times as they want until they get their desired score. And getting latin honors in a major like philosophy or sociology or poli sci is nothing to write home to mom about.

I agree with you that the OP is an idiot for assuming top 10%, but come on, there's a difference between the top % of your class in law school and the top % of applicants admitted/attending T14s.

[Mal Reynolds]

If you had such a good work ethic in undergrad why did you end up at a crap law school like Georgetown?

[DELG]

Ok, obviously you guys don't know me, but I do whatever it takes to get whatever grades I have to get. I mean anything. I was notorious for this in undergrad and am absolutely confident I can outdo the lot of average law student.

You won't be in class with average law students. The T14 comprises roughly the top 20% of law students, so if you place yourself in the top 10% of all law students, you're about median at a T14.

If you're so confident, you should attend GWAmerican University for free and save yourself the debt.

This is dumb. You know how many philosophy majors who took the LSAT 3 times to break 170 are admitted to T14. That sounds pretty average to me. The T14 aren't comprised of purely rockstar undergrads who majored in tough subjects, killed it and took the LSAT once for a 175+. While that happens, I seriously doubt it makes up any significant %. It's not surprise you see an increase in high LSAT scores and a decrease in low scores as the years have gone on...it's because people can take the test essentially as many times as they want until they get their desired score. And getting latin honors in a major like philosophy or sociology or poli sci is nothing to write home to mom about.

I agree with you that the OP is an idiot for assuming top 10%, but come on, there's a difference between the top % of your class in law school and the top % of applicants admitted/attending T14s.

If OP has a strong gpa in a hard science and 175 then I will revise my lols and ask instead what criminal conviction kept him out of every other t14 because its probably a good story

[HRomanus]

Ok, obviously you guys don't know me, but I do whatever it takes to get whatever grades I have to get. I mean anything. I was notorious for this in undergrad and am absolutely confident I can outdo the lot of average law student.

What was your uGPA?

3.7, but my freshman year was a wash.

And thanks guys, I see that it may be unrealistic but I really think you're underestimating my work ethic.

Disclosure: 0L

Due to the curve, the work ethic is only so meaningful. A certain percentage of people will be gunning just as hard as you are. Another percentage will be more intelligent than you are. Because there are so few grade opportunities, your margin for error on each is miniscule. Put together, these factors almost guarantee that you won't make top 10% regardless your dedication.

[WokeUpInACar]

Ok, obviously you guys don't know me, but I do whatever it takes to get whatever grades I have to get. I mean anything. I was notorious for this in undergrad and am absolutely confident I can outdo the lot of average law student.

What was your uGPA?

3.7, but my freshman year was a wash.

And thanks guys, I see that it may be unrealistic but I really think you're underestimating my work ethic.

You can't just work your way to top 10% grades. Even if you put in more hours than everyone in the class you could still end up at median. The grading is based on one 3-4 hour exam and can often be quite arbitrary. Plus there's the fact that everyone in the class is smart and works hard. Think about the smartest and hardest working 1-2 kids in all of your undergrad classes, and then think about being graded on a curve against a class full of them.

[beepboopbeep]

Ok, obviously you guys don't know me, but I do whatever it takes to get whatever grades I have to get. I mean anything. I was notorious for this in undergrad and am absolutely confident I can outdo the lot of average law student.

What was your uGPA?

3.7, but my freshman year was a wash.

And thanks guys, I see that it may be unrealistic but I really think you're underestimating my work ethic.

Work ethic means jack shit for law school performance.

Calling troll like the rest, but if not - you need a reality check, OP. Are you K-JD? Or have you had a job? Nothing like being unemployed for an extended period of time to cure you of the illness that is special snowflake syndrome.

[thsmthcrmnl]

To answer your question: yes, Georgetown is worth 140k if you know you will be top 10%. You will have an excellent outcome and big law if you want it. But this is the equivalent of saying "Is it worth it to buy a lottery ticket if I know I will win the jackpot?"

[mionilk]

Are we seriously comparing winning the jackpot to getting top 10%? Top 10% is within the top 50 students about, right? Maybe I'm completely delusional, but I don't think it's as impossible as you guys are making it out to be. I may reconsider my options, but I feel pretty confident at this point I can do well enough to at least get the top 20%.

[Mal Reynolds]

Are we seriously comparing winning the jackpot to getting top 10%? Top 10% is within the top 50 students about, right? Maybe I'm completely delusional, but I don't think it's as impossible as you guys are making it out to be. I may reconsider my options, but I feel pretty confident at this point I can do well enough to at least get the top 20%.

What skills do you think it takes to get into the top 10% of the class.

[DELG]

I don't know every single GPA in my section but the top 10% of people by work ethic did not appear to be over-represented in the top 10% of GPAs

[DELG]

I don't know every single GPA in my section but the top 10% of people by work ethic did not appear to be over-represented in the top 10% of GPAs

Then again I would say 60% of my section was arguably in the top 10% by work ethic. Everyone knows the stakes and brings their a game.

[mionilk]

Are we seriously comparing winning the jackpot to getting top 10%? Top 10% is within the top 50 students about, right? Maybe I'm completely delusional, but I don't think it's as impossible as you guys are making it out to be. I may reconsider my options, but I feel pretty confident at this point I can do well enough to at least get the top 20%.

What skills do you think it takes to get into the top 10% of the class.

I don't know what "skills" exactly it will take, but that's not the point. The point is that I have adequate skills already for coming into my 1L year and am confident I will excel with whatever is demanded of me.

[ymmv]

If I'm 100% sure I'll get a major role in a blockbuster, should I sell all my possessions and move to LA?

With zero debt, this sounds like the far more prudent life choice.

[Mal Reynolds]

Are we seriously comparing winning the jackpot to getting top 10%? Top 10% is within the top 50 students about, right? Maybe I'm completely delusional, but I don't think it's as impossible as you guys are making it out to be. I may reconsider my options, but I feel pretty confident at this point I can do well enough to at least get the top 20%.

What skills do you think it takes to get into the top 10% of the class.

I don't know what "skills" exactly it will take, but that's not the point. The point is that I have adequate skills already for coming into my 1L year and am confident I will excel with whatever is demanded of me.

Why do you think your peers do not have the same mindset as you.

[DELG]

Are we seriously comparing winning the jackpot to getting top 10%? Top 10% is within the top 50 students about, right? Maybe I'm completely delusional, but I don't think it's as impossible as you guys are making it out to be. I may reconsider my options, but I feel pretty confident at this point I can do well enough to at least get the top 20%.

What skills do you think it takes to get into the top 10% of the class.

I don't know what "skills" exactly it will take, but that's not the point. The point is that I have adequate skills already for coming into my 1L year and am confident I will excel with whatever is demanded of me.

What if I told you 1L material is not hard and does not require much time and effort to master very well

[Mal Reynolds]

Are we seriously comparing winning the jackpot to getting top 10%? Top 10% is within the top 50 students about, right? Maybe I'm completely delusional, but I don't think it's as impossible as you guys are making it out to be. I may reconsider my options, but I feel pretty confident at this point I can do well enough to at least get the top 20%.

What skills do you think it takes to get into the top 10% of the class.

I don't know what "skills" exactly it will take, but that's not the point. The point is that I have adequate skills already for coming into my 1L year and am confident I will excel with whatever is demanded of me.

What if I told you 1L material is not hard and does not require much time and effort to master very well

And the difference between a good and bad grade can sometimes come down to a few sentences. It's not even that you were wrong it's that someone else just presented it a little better than you.

[Mal Reynolds]

/leaves to go get median pwned on a final.

[mionilk]

Are we seriously comparing winning the jackpot to getting top 10%? Top 10% is within the top 50 students about, right? Maybe I'm completely delusional, but I don't think it's as impossible as you guys are making it out to be. I may reconsider my options, but I feel pretty confident at this point I can do well enough to at least get the top 20%.

What skills do you think it takes to get into the top 10% of the class.

I don't know what "skills" exactly it will take, but that's not the point. The point is that I have adequate skills already for coming into my 1L year and am confident I will excel with whatever is demanded of me.

What if I told you 1L material is not hard and does not require much time and effort to master very well

I find it hard to believe that grading is as arbitrary as you make it out to be, but if it is then I don't really know what to say.

[DELG]

I am not saying it's arbitrary, I'm saying working hard doesn't help much because you don't actually need to work that hard to master 1L material.

[thsmthcrmnl]

OP, what schools did you get in to?

[Tanicius]

Ok, obviously you guys don't know me, but I do whatever it takes to get whatever grades I have to get. I mean anything. I was notorious for this in undergrad and am absolutely confident I can outdo the lot of average law student.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ. How many hundreds of threads have there been by people like you? How have you managed to not read the FAQ's of virtually any law school admissions advice forum where they specifically tell you that your mentality is held by the majority of your classmates?

You're like a religious fundamentalist in a crusader war. "Yeah, but I know that my God is the right God and that I'm going to heaven. The other guy only thinks he knows."

[elterrible78]

I find it hard to believe that grading is as arbitrary as you make it out to be, but if it is then I don't really know what to say.

Playing along here:

Grading is not *as* arbitrary as some people make it out to be, but trust me, there's a whole lot of arbitrariness to it, and I've got that from the horse's mouth. There almost has to be, given the number of exams these professors are grading, and just how close in quality the vast majority of them are. Are there some obviously good ones? Yep. Some obviously shitty ones? Sure. But beyond that, I think it's awfully close.

Re: work ethic. It helps, but by no means is a game-changer. For one thing, even at a place like GULC, you're going to be dealing with a ton of striving, competitive people. Trust me, you're not special with your "work ethic." And I personally know people who bust their asses constantly and are a little below median. And before you come back with, "Yeah, but they're just not as smart/efficient/hardworking as me", just save it.

The idea that you are 100% confident of being in the top 10% of any law school, let alone Georgetown, is just misguided. Between the arbitrariness (that does exist, although not to the degree that some of the extremists say) and the fact that unless you fucked up hardcore somewhere along the line (which would cut against this legendary work-ethic thing), you are going to be competing with a group of your stone-cold peers.

[transferror]

i believein yoo, troll