dixiecupdrinking wrote:Tekrul wrote:Getting CCW in NJ/NYC is like winning the lottery the same day you get struck by lightning and go triple platinum. If the day I look down a criminal barrel about to take my life ever comes around, unfortunately all I'll be able to do is impotently beg for the life of my SO if not for mine while thinking about my h&k p30, usp, and sig P226 sitting neatly cleaned polished unloaded and double locked behind 3 inches of steel with ammunition locked separately. My 25 yard 1.5 inch spread will be for shit.
Meanwhile there are traffic/security cameras out there with footage of me breaking up/averting physical conflict between strangers who had the fortune of engaging with me around instead of a phone camera bystander.
And with NYPD carrying 9-11 lb triggers, I'll take my chances with bad guy missing over taking strays in my direction.
Yea immadbro.
I think you'll manage to survive. Or did I miss all the stories about people being shot in NYC in random muggings?
You're more likely to fall down the stairs and break your skull, so you might be better served wearing a helmet to work every day than worrying about the concealed carry laws.
I understand and respect your position, although I don't appreciate your flippant dismissal of my own. There is harm and personal experience that can tie to either side of this issue. My experiences have placed me on the side you find me on through emotional anguish and loss of my own as much as reason and logic. I would like to state that you could put a dutiful citizen like me at any one of those tragedies that the both of us will use to justify our positions (what if he didn't have the gun/what if one victim there was carrying for defense), and I would have put the safety of everyone before the safety of myself - this is not something I say with bravado after not having been in the life-threatening situation to prove it. I've been there, I've proved it. At my level of skill, more times than not, each of those stories would have turned from tragedy into heroic regale of a bad guy brought down before he could harm others. I'd happily turn in my arms for a peaceful, idyllic society - I dream of a future civilization where barbaric things like firearms are brought up in history books and laughed at derisively. But bullies, wackos, and criminals exist. Even police officers are subject to character weaknesses (violence, bias), what right do they have to be armed among the unarmed? NYPD shooting statistics, firing upon minorities with greater frequency, and shooting with poor accuracy, harming innocents confirm a badge and an oath do not a noble man make.
And, yes, it appears you've missed the stories. I was 15 feet from a triple homicide last summer by my UG, I was shut into an apartment in Queens even more recently while a gunman went on a rampage shooting 25 people, and if you're from the tri-state area, you've heard of my friend becoming the victim of gang initiation - boxed in by cars at a red light in Paterson on his commute home after studying late at the library, he was put in the hospital for 3 months eating from a tube, dropped out of medical school, and now struggling with depression/suicide. All of these could be useful for you to insist upon greater control of guns but they are also useful to the opposing camp that a gun in the just hand could have averted disaster. Dutiful citizens with firearms would essentially increase the number of peacekeeping agents one-hundred-fold.
You can take your response to me, I won't follow up to shore up weaknesses or deficiencies you find in this post, able though I am. This is entirely the wrong forum to butt heads about this issue and we should return to the topic of law schools.
