Indiana University - Bloomington students taking questions Forum

[Vincent Vega]

I'm a 1L and I think someone from my practice group has already dropped out (he hasn't been in class since Monday, and he didn't seem sick or anything on Monday).

I'm nearly positive that he is sick in some regard.

I found out today that this is true. Do you know who I'm talking about irl?

[Vincent Vega]

I'm actually a little disappointed in the incoming class. I had thought they'd be able to get up to a 165 median LSAT with all the scholarships and application increases. I don't see how they'll ever regain that 23 if this is their best effort.

They seem to be much more into GPA than LSAT. The GPA average is above 3.75. I don't really agree with it, especially since the average LSAT score has stayed the same the last few years. I want to say two years ago the median was 164 and a 3.4, and now it's a 164 and a 3.75ish.

Well, high LSATs are just a much more finite and scarce commodity than high GPAs. We had a 164/3.8 a few years ago. Once you establish a high median LSAT, its much easier to bulk up on high GPA splitters...

I agree with quayle. I thought the focus was going to try to go after that higher LSAT range since we had the leverage (although admittedly slight) of having a record-high rank last year. If there was a year to improve the LSAT range, 2009-10 was it.

[Spoonmanners]

I don't agree with it, as clearly they could have moved up the median. Maybe 25th percentile is up, but GPA is easier to have an inflated number, and is a smaller factor in the rankings than LSAT.

[superflush]

I found out today that this is true. Do you know who I'm talking about irl?

yep

[NatSec]

my pga group has lost two thus far. although one of them you could tell was not comfortable during orientation. I think he actually withdrew before the picinic.

does anybody have an outline for heidt's torts? seriously, i'd like to see what his lectures end up looking like in outline form. every other class i'm able to see the information i need to have to be prepped for the exam. heidt though just leaves me scratching my head most days.

[Vincent Vega]

seriously, i'd like to see what his lectures end up looking like in outline form. every other class i'm able to see the information i need to have to be prepped for the exam. heidt though just leaves me scratching my head most days.

Same.

[Bankhead]

PM me about the Heitd outline, guys.

[gatorhoosier]

Hey 2L's,
How did you find time to practice writing hypos in old exams? the daily reading seems to take up nearly the entire day.

[Bankhead]

Hey 2L's,
How did you find time to practice writing hypos in old exams? the daily reading seems to take up nearly the entire day.

You get better at it. Also, try to get a few days ahead by working during Fall Break.

You don't need to write so many practice exams. Thanksgiving break and the (brief) reading period before exams should be sufficient. I find that outlining the answer (as opposed to writing out the entire thing) saves time.

For now just concentrate on the daily readings. Relax. Try to start outlining during the Fall break, but not before then because you won't know what is important.

[OneShotFinch128]

Hey Guys....I just wanted to thank the everyone on here for answering my questions and the other questions posted here. It has really helped a lot and now going into the 4th week I'm starting to feel a lot more comfortable with the expectations in each class, thanks for all of your help and I am sure I'll be asking a lot more questions as we progress through the year, thanks again!

[agentcom]

Re: transfers: There's also 2 at U Wisc. One at their flagship campus and another elsewhere, I believe.

Re: Kelly Business School: The law program and the B-school are both well-regarded, so you can back-door into either one, but I /think/ that it is easier to go from law to business. As far as coursework goes, you can really dedicate your schedule to the entrepreneurship thing. In fact you kind of have to if you want to do the clinic, since there are so many pre-reqs. It's something that I think would be cool to do, but I have other priorities.

There is also an outside competition that teams from those schools participate in. Some sort of venture capital competition. I think you're supposed to choose a business plan from among a few and demonstrate why it's good. Something like that. The teams from that are usually composed of some mix of law students, business students, and dual degree-ers.

Others that are thinking about doing joint-degrees, there are a lot of options here and since you're at the law school they are pretty easy to get in to. (The reverse is not the case.)

[Spoonmanners]

Hey 2L's,
How did you find time to practice writing hypos in old exams? the daily reading seems to take up nearly the entire day.

I just outlined. It was really tough to get time, especially if you are trying to fit in supplements, and you are still under some foolish belief you need to actually read the cases and not just buy a book of the briefs or find the briefs online. Had I had the briefs... and divided time a little differently... well, it could have been better.

But really, just listen to Buckhead. He bumped up pretty nicely.

[gatorhoosier]

Thanks for your input Spoon.
Reading cases does seem an inefficient method to learn the general Torts?Contracts etc. BLL.
I like reading the cases and trying to figure things out and usually do an ok job of it.
But, I am starting to think from an exam perspective that reading cases is a time sink that keeps one from learning to apply law to new facts and getting good at writing for exams.

[Vincent Vega]

Thanks for your input Spoon.
Reading cases does seem an inefficient method to learn the general Torts?Contracts etc. BLL.
I like reading the cases and trying to figure things out and usually do an ok job of it.
But, I am starting to think from an exam perspective that reading cases is a time sink that keeps one from learning to apply law to new facts and getting good at writing for exams.

If you think it's a good idea not to fully read the cases for Torts, you obviously don't have Heidt.

[Vincent Vega]

I recently found out Professor Boshkoff is the great uncle of one of my best friends from college.

[gatorhoosier]

Vega,
I do have Heidt and I like his class.
I am merely begining to think that preparing for class isn't necessarily the same thing as preparing for the exam.
I am having trouble learning the law on my own (which was Heidt's requirement on day 1) while trying to prep for class.
I'm running short of time and it's only going to get worse. So, I am thinking that skimming the casees and notes in the book and instead preparing for the exam might be the way I start going.
GH

[Bankhead]

I'm not sure what other way in Heidt you can prepare for the exam other than reading the e-reserves material, taking detailed notes on the casebook and focusing on the cases. You could use the supplement Glannon Guide to Torts (it is keyed to the text). Relying on the E&E (or some other crap supplement not keyed to that Epstein text) is a sure way to get a B in that class.

Heidt teaches a very specific version of Torts that you cannot get from anywhere except his lectures and the work that he assigns. Preping for class is really the same thing as learning the law. I'm not sure there is a difference.

[gatorhoosier]

I plead 1L confusion/hysteria.

[DearCan]

Quick question:

I graduated from IUB undergrad and I'm wondering how that will effect my chances at admittance. You guys might not be able to answer the question, but any thoughts are appreciated.

[Vincent Vega]

I don't think they favor IU grads per se, but they look at strength of undergraduate institution, and, from a conceited standpoint, they probably rate IU pretty high on that list. Just my opinion.

[DearCan]

I don't think they favor IU grads per se, but they look at strength of undergraduate institution, and, from a conceited standpoint, they probably rate IU pretty high on that list. Just my opinion.

Yeah, I was actually worried that it might hurt my chances if anything.

[Vincent Vega]

I was talking to Dean Fromm a few weeks ago and he seemed pretty proud that this year's class had a pretty big number of IU grads. He said way back in his day there was a much larger percentage of IU grads at the law school, but that number has trailed off in recent years. Apparently, this year might have been a step back in that direction.

[danquayle]

Quick question:

I graduated from IUB undergrad and I'm wondering how that will effect my chances at admittance. You guys might not be able to answer the question, but any thoughts are appreciated.

Affect...

sorry, just had to

[Spoonmanners]

Well, I'm not going to correct anyone's grammar... BUT I don't think it does anything/takes away anything from you.

IU has a lot of IU applicants. Have you taken the LSAT? I heard they have the same thing Michigan/Illinois (probably all other school as well) have instituted, which gets you in from the undergraduate program as long as you don't take the LSAT. Well, as long as your GPA is dirty high. Just an option.

And whether Fromm likes it or not, he doesn't do admissions. When you look at law school brochures, they show statistics for stuff like "how many states our students are from" and "minorities" and such like that (sorry I just bastardized the titles). There's no section for "People from Indiana who went to IU undergrad" or some other similar statistic.

[testmachine45]

What was OCI like for you guys? How many people don't have jobs(last year, for example). What 5 markets are the biggest?