Mediocre Grades and Yet Got the Firm Job I Wanted, AMA Forum

[Johann]

OP is the single greatest person I have ever seen on this site. Let's be best friends. You could not be more right in saying people are over the top discouraging on this site. I also used a different username when applying for schools and heard a lot of "retake or don't go" comments too. The assumption on here seems to be you MUST want biglaw because who doesn't want to die at their desk am I right? I'm a rising 2L at a T25 hoping for a smaller firm job post-graduation as well. I hope I share your same story once I'm done. Good luck and congratulations!

This advice in the on-topics is only good if you limit it to 3 areas: (1) studying for the LSAT; (2) getting into a T14; (3) getting a biglaw job.

Outside of that, the advice is a bunch of people talking about things they know nothing about. It's usually a 0L accepted to NYU that thinks there's no other way to be a successful lawyer and they have to correct everyone who wants to go to very good schools that are just outside the T14.

I don't think there's a single TTT grad on this site that gives regular on topic advice other than me, yet there is a ton of comments about them that show a complete lack of understanding.
There certainly aren't many people on this board that understand finance, and yet a lot of people want to talk about how a loan forgiveness program is the sucker's route even though it backloads payments (time value) and has the option of forgiving debt aka free money.

[cavalier1138]

OP is the single greatest person I have ever seen on this site. Let's be best friends. You could not be more right in saying people are over the top discouraging on this site. I also used a different username when applying for schools and heard a lot of "retake or don't go" comments too. The assumption on here seems to be you MUST want biglaw because who doesn't want to die at their desk am I right? I'm a rising 2L at a T25 hoping for a smaller firm job post-graduation as well. I hope I share your same story once I'm done. Good luck and congratulations!

This advice in the on-topics is only good if you limit it to 3 areas: (1) studying for the LSAT; (2) getting into a T14; (3) getting a biglaw job.

Outside of that, the advice is a bunch of people talking about things they know nothing about. It's usually a 0L accepted to NYU that thinks there's no other way to be a successful lawyer and they have to correct everyone who wants to go to very good schools that are just outside the T14.

I don't think there's a single TTT grad on this site that gives regular on topic advice other than me, yet there is a ton of comments about them that show a complete lack of understanding.
There certainly aren't many people on this board that understand finance, and yet a lot of people want to talk about how a loan forgiveness program is the sucker's route even though it backloads payments (time value) and has the option of forgiving debt aka free money.

Is that kind of like how every time anyone from a lower-tier school posts about their fabulous success stories to rub it in everyone's collective face, they ignore that a significant portion of their classmates can't even get a job as a lawyer?

Also, if you'd bothered to read any of this thread, you would have already noticed that not a single person has been able to provide an instance where someone on this forum has advised "T14 or bust", much less not going to good regional schools.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Actually, Johann has posted about his classmates' outcomes before (I think like yesterday most recently), and he doesn't really do that. He's right that "no legal job at 9 months out" is not the same as "no legal job ever."

[Johann]

OP is the single greatest person I have ever seen on this site. Let's be best friends. You could not be more right in saying people are over the top discouraging on this site. I also used a different username when applying for schools and heard a lot of "retake or don't go" comments too. The assumption on here seems to be you MUST want biglaw because who doesn't want to die at their desk am I right? I'm a rising 2L at a T25 hoping for a smaller firm job post-graduation as well. I hope I share your same story once I'm done. Good luck and congratulations!

This advice in the on-topics is only good if you limit it to 3 areas: (1) studying for the LSAT; (2) getting into a T14; (3) getting a biglaw job.

Outside of that, the advice is a bunch of people talking about things they know nothing about. It's usually a 0L accepted to NYU that thinks there's no other way to be a successful lawyer and they have to correct everyone who wants to go to very good schools that are just outside the T14.

I don't think there's a single TTT grad on this site that gives regular on topic advice other than me, yet there is a ton of comments about them that show a complete lack of understanding.
There certainly aren't many people on this board that understand finance, and yet a lot of people want to talk about how a loan forgiveness program is the sucker's route even though it backloads payments (time value) and has the option of forgiving debt aka free money.

Is that kind of like how every time anyone from a lower-tier school posts about their fabulous success stories to rub it in everyone's collective face, they ignore that a significant portion of their classmates can't even get a job as a lawyer?

Also, if you'd bothered to read any of this thread, you would have already noticed that not a single person has been able to provide an instance where someone on this forum has advised "T14 or bust", much less not going to good regional schools.

i'm at work so im not going to search for something i know exists when some 0L is wasting his summer on a message baord. i did provide an instance, the hastings army guy. Search Hastings, Army, Johann, etc and you'll find it. PAYE might be mentioned in there too.

[Johann]

Actually, Johann has posted about his classmates' outcomes before (I think like yesterday most recently), and he doesn't really do that. He's right that "no legal job at 9 months out" is not the same as "no legal job ever."

It's also different because a lot of people at TTT work as interns, externs, or clerk as 2Ls and 3Ls and know that law isn't what they want and then take a non-legal job out of choice when they graduate. 2 ladies on law review I graduated with chose to go solo rather than work at a firm because of choice. Several of my friends rejected insurance defense mills. Once you add the numbers up based on being there, you really understand where some of the numbers come from.

[cavalier1138]

i'm at work so im not going to search for something i know exists when some 0L is wasting his summer on a message baord. i did provide an instance, the hastings army guy. Search Hastings, Army, Johann, etc and you'll find it. PAYE might be mentioned in there too.

You know, I was going to just ignore that one because of the idiotic "hur hur, wasting your summer" (I work, genius, so I'm not on summer break). But then I decided to see whether you'd actually cited a relevant thread.

Literally no one in that thread advocated for T14-or-bust. Not a single person. But congrats on pointing me to a thread where you argued about military affairs with people who had actually served.

So again, the position that the OP (and a few select others) have claimed is prominent on these forums has never, ever, ever existed.

[lavarman84]

I'm a rising 2L at a T25 on a full-tuition scholarship.

That sounds like a good situation. And people on here typically are encouraging of a person pursuing that sort of course. I don't disagree that this place is overly pessimistic and too focused on certain outcomes but that perspective has its merits. It depends on how risk-averse the person receiving the advice is. And the truth is that if the person receiving the advice isn't particularly risk-adverse, they probably won't listen to the advice anyways.