Are there any nonwhite judges who are a part of Fed Soc? Forum

[Anonymous User]

Kearse (CA2) possibly

[lavarman84]

I also thought the comment was funny. For those who don't know, Miguel Estrada is a conservative SCOTUS litigator who was nominated (but not confirmed) to the D.C. Circuit. Leaked Democrat memos called to oppose his nomination (back when that was uncommon) because "he is Latino." And OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges...

The Democrats blocked Estrada and numerous others as payback for the Republicans blocking a number of Clinton appointees near the end of his presidency, including the seat for which Estrada was nominated. And if OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges, they should ask the Trump administration.
https://theconversation.com/trump-and-m ... rts-146828

[Anonymous User]

Miguel Estrada (oh wait...)

Underrated comment.

How so?

As the person who wrote this comment, I thought it was properly rated lol. That said, at my school, only a handful of people had ever heard of Estrada, which I think is a shame. Impossible to understand our modern confirmation woes without understanding that debacle.

I also thought the comment was funny. For those who don't know, Miguel Estrada is a conservative SCOTUS litigator who was nominated (but not confirmed) to the D.C. Circuit. Leaked Democrat memos called to oppose his nomination (back when that was uncommon) because "he is Latino." And OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges...

To think, all of those white, male liberal SCOTUS justices we could have had if only Republicans hadn't blocked Garland...

[Anonymous User]

I also thought the comment was funny. For those who don't know, Miguel Estrada is a conservative SCOTUS litigator who was nominated (but not confirmed) to the D.C. Circuit. Leaked Democrat memos called to oppose his nomination (back when that was uncommon) because "he is Latino." And OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges...

The Democrats blocked Estrada and numerous others as payback for the Republicans blocking a number of Clinton appointees near the end of his presidency, including the seat for which Estrada was nominated.

This is completely inaccurate, as their own documents show: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB106877910996248300

“They also identified Miguel Estrada (D.C. Circuit) as especially dangerous, because he has a minimal paper trail, he is Latino, and the White House seems to be grooming him for a Supreme Court appointment. They want to hold Estrada off as long as possible.”

[lawstudent0070]

Of all the flashpoints in modern judicial confirmation politics, I never thought Miguel Estrada would be the first to start a fight in this thread.

In addition to the others already mentioned, Ho on CA5 and Park on CA2 are also prominent nonwhite conservatives. Would not be surprised if Park eventually gets a SCOTUS nod... but maybe the Consovoy associations will provide too much fodder for Sen. Whitehouse.

[Anonymous User]

Of all the flashpoints in modern judicial confirmation politics, I never thought Miguel Estrada would be the first to start a fight in this thread.

In addition to the others already mentioned, Ho on CA5 and Park on CA2 are also prominent nonwhite conservatives. Would not be surprised if Park eventually gets a SCOTUS nod... but maybe the Consovoy associations will provide too much fodder for Sen. Whitehouse.

It’s not that surprising, it’s not that well known, and the media did their best to hide the ugly racism behind the nomination failing. Most on the left, as shown above, still deny the obvious wholeheartedly. But it left a very sour taste in the mouths of everyone in FedSoc, who also are well aware of the horrific personal indignities Estrada was also put through by Schumer and company.

[lawstudent0070]

Of all the flashpoints in modern judicial confirmation politics, I never thought Miguel Estrada would be the first to start a fight in this thread.

In addition to the others already mentioned, Ho on CA5 and Park on CA2 are also prominent nonwhite conservatives. Would not be surprised if Park eventually gets a SCOTUS nod... but maybe the Consovoy associations will provide too much fodder for Sen. Whitehouse.

It’s not that surprising, it’s not that well known, and the media did their best to hide the ugly racism behind the nomination failing. Most on the left, as shown above, still deny the obvious wholeheartedly. But it left a very sour taste in the mouths of everyone in FedSoc, who also are well aware of the horrific personal indignities Estrada was also put through by Schumer and company.

Oh I'm not defending Estrada's treatment, quite the opposite. It was just a bit of a throwback, is all

[Anonymous User]

Of all the flashpoints in modern judicial confirmation politics, I never thought Miguel Estrada would be the first to start a fight in this thread.

In addition to the others already mentioned, Ho on CA5 and Park on CA2 are also prominent nonwhite conservatives. Would not be surprised if Park eventually gets a SCOTUS nod... but maybe the Consovoy associations will provide too much fodder for Sen. Whitehouse.

It’s not that surprising, it’s not that well known, and the media did their best to hide the ugly racism behind the nomination failing. Most on the left, as shown above, still deny the obvious wholeheartedly. But it left a very sour taste in the mouths of everyone in FedSoc, who also are well aware of the horrific personal indignities Estrada was also put through by Schumer and company.

Oh I'm not defending Estrada's treatment, quite the opposite. It was just a bit of a throwback, is all

No worries. I also tend to doubt Park would get SCOTUS seat, there are too many other appointees that seem to have a better chance. He also, as far as I remember, did a lot of commercial work back at Consovoy, as opposed to the more political cases.

[Anonymous User]

Most Fed Soc insiders know that Thapar is one of (if not the leading) the overwhelming favorites to be picked for SCOTUS in the next Republican administration. Rao, Ho, and Bumatay are also regularly feted at NLC. If anything, being non-white is a plus for all of them.

[Anonymous User]

I also thought the comment was funny. For those who don't know, Miguel Estrada is a conservative SCOTUS litigator who was nominated (but not confirmed) to the D.C. Circuit. Leaked Democrat memos called to oppose his nomination (back when that was uncommon) because "he is Latino." And OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges...

The Democrats blocked Estrada and numerous others as payback for the Republicans blocking a number of Clinton appointees near the end of his presidency, including the seat for which Estrada was nominated. And if OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges, they should ask the Trump administration.
https://theconversation.com/trump-and-m ... rts-146828

Surely we can set partisanship aside and agree that "he's Latino" shouldn't be offered as a reason for denying anyone a federal judgeship. That shouldn't be controversial.

[Anonymous User]

Most Fed Soc insiders know that Thapar is one of (if not the leading) the overwhelming favorites to be picked for SCOTUS in the next Republican administration. Rao, Ho, and Bumatay are also regularly feted at NLC. If anything, being non-white is a plus for all of them.

I agree that Thapar would be the pick if an opening could be filled by a republican today. However, by the time that Thomas or Alito retires, Thapar may have aged out. I would put my money on Rao, Rushing, or Grant. However, this guess is worth what you paid for it.

[Anonymous User]

Most Fed Soc insiders know that Thapar is one of (if not the leading) the overwhelming favorites to be picked for SCOTUS in the next Republican administration. Rao, Ho, and Bumatay are also regularly feted at NLC. If anything, being non-white is a plus for all of them.

I agree that Thapar would be the pick if an opening could be filled by a republican today. However, by the time that Thomas or Alito retires, Thapar may have aged out. I would put my money on Rao, Rushing, or Grant. However, this guess is worth what you paid for it.

Being non-white is a plus for sure. It is difficult to get through law school hearing abjectly racist and vile abuse from classmates on an almost daily basis for being a minority in FedSoc. It indicates to people on the selection committees they are much less likely to lapse into Roberts/Kennedy/Souter leftism.

[Anonymous User]

Of all the flashpoints in modern judicial confirmation politics, I never thought Miguel Estrada would be the first to start a fight in this thread.

In addition to the others already mentioned, Ho on CA5 and Park on CA2 are also prominent nonwhite conservatives. Would not be surprised if Park eventually gets a SCOTUS nod... but maybe the Consovoy associations will provide too much fodder for Sen. Whitehouse.

It’s not that surprising, it’s not that well known, and the media did their best to hide the ugly racism behind the nomination failing. Most on the left, as shown above, still deny the obvious wholeheartedly. But it left a very sour taste in the mouths of everyone in FedSoc, who also are well aware of the horrific personal indignities Estrada was also put through by Schumer and company.

Oh I'm not defending Estrada's treatment, quite the opposite. It was just a bit of a throwback, is all

No worries. I also tend to doubt Park would get SCOTUS seat, there are too many other appointees that seem to have a better chance. He also, as far as I remember, did a lot of commercial work back at Consovoy, as opposed to the more political cases.

I could see the GOP wanting to play up Asian connections post-Harvard and Park has a quieter record than Bumatay (family separations, lots of en banc stuff), Ho (lol), or Lee (en banc stuff), in part because CA2 is a fairly quiet court compared to CA5 or CA9. That could either help or hurt his chances depending on the political environment--I could see some fears that he'd be a Roberts, as he's married to a liberal CLS prof, isn't all that ideological by Fed Soc standards in clerkship hiring, etc. He's also a former Alito clerk, and Alito seems plausibly likely to leave in the next GOP admin.

Whether Rao is a contender will probably depend on whether the social conservatives have gotten over their objections. Oldham is clearly absolutely desperate to get SCOTUS and seems like the leading candidate if it's a white guy.

[Anonymous User]

Re. Estrada: several people I know at GDC have had not-great things to say about working with him, so had he been confirmed, he might have become a mainstay of the best-and-worst-judges thread. Fun little thought exercise.

[Anonymous User]

Re. Estrada: several people I know at GDC have had not-great things to say about working with him, so had he been confirmed, he might have become a mainstay of the best-and-worst-judges thread. Fun little thought exercise.

Yes, Estrada is a notoriously tough partner

[Anonymous User]

Re. Estrada: several people I know at GDC have had not-great things to say about working with him, so had he been confirmed, he might have become a mainstay of the best-and-worst-judges thread. Fun little thought exercise.

True, but not about his intellect or work ethic. If he was on D.C. Circuit, he'd compete with Srinivasan and Katsas for the most-demanding-boss title.

[kolio6]

Re. Estrada: several people I know at GDC have had not-great things to say about working with him, so had he been confirmed, he might have become a mainstay of the best-and-worst-judges thread. Fun little thought exercise.

True, but not about his intellect or work ethic. If he was on D.C. Circuit, he'd compete with Srinivasan and Katsas for the most-demanding-boss title.

Nah that prize indisputably goes to Millett

[lavarman84]

This is completely inaccurate, as their own documents show: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB106877910996248300

“They also identified Miguel Estrada (D.C. Circuit) as especially dangerous, because he has a minimal paper trail, he is Latino, and the White House seems to be grooming him for a Supreme Court appointment. They want to hold Estrada off as long as possible.”

Uh no, it's not. Or are you about to argue that they were filibustering Bill Pryor, Richard Griffin, David McKeague, and Priscilla Owen because they're also Latino?

That memo only gives insight into why Estrada was somebody they considered to be a good person to pick to filibuster as payback.

I also thought the comment was funny. For those who don't know, Miguel Estrada is a conservative SCOTUS litigator who was nominated (but not confirmed) to the D.C. Circuit. Leaked Democrat memos called to oppose his nomination (back when that was uncommon) because "he is Latino." And OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges...

The Democrats blocked Estrada and numerous others as payback for the Republicans blocking a number of Clinton appointees near the end of his presidency, including the seat for which Estrada was nominated. And if OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges, they should ask the Trump administration.
https://theconversation.com/trump-and-m ... rts-146828

Surely we can set partisanship aside and agree that "he's Latino" shouldn't be offered as a reason for denying anyone a federal judgeship. That shouldn't be controversial.

We agree. But this is politics. Optics matter. And those sort of things get considered on both sides. DC is a place full of shitty people.

Personally, I wish he had gotten the job instead of Griffith. There's nothing wrong with Griffith, but Estrada went through hell and didn't get the judgeship in the end. That doesn't feel just.

That all said, it feels silly to still be beating that drum after everything that has happened in the past 20 years.

[Anonymous User]

This is completely inaccurate, as their own documents show: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB106877910996248300

“They also identified Miguel Estrada (D.C. Circuit) as especially dangerous, because he has a minimal paper trail, he is Latino, and the White House seems to be grooming him for a Supreme Court appointment. They want to hold Estrada off as long as possible.”

Uh no, it's not. Or are you about to argue that they were filibustering Bill Pryor, Richard Griffin, David McKeague, and Priscilla Owen because they're also Latino?

That memo only gives insight into why Estrada was somebody they considered to be a good person to pick to filibuster as payback.

I also thought the comment was funny. For those who don't know, Miguel Estrada is a conservative SCOTUS litigator who was nominated (but not confirmed) to the D.C. Circuit. Leaked Democrat memos called to oppose his nomination (back when that was uncommon) because "he is Latino." And OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges...

The Democrats blocked Estrada and numerous others as payback for the Republicans blocking a number of Clinton appointees near the end of his presidency, including the seat for which Estrada was nominated. And if OP wonders why there aren't more nonwhite FedSoc judges, they should ask the Trump administration.
https://theconversation.com/trump-and-m ... rts-146828

Surely we can set partisanship aside and agree that "he's Latino" shouldn't be offered as a reason for denying anyone a federal judgeship. That shouldn't be controversial.

We agree. But this is politics. Optics matter. And those sort of things get considered on both sides. DC is a place full of shitty people.

Personally, I wish he had gotten the job instead of Griffith. There's nothing wrong with Griffith, but Estrada went through hell and didn't get the judgeship in the end. That doesn't feel just.

That all said, it feels silly to still be beating that drum after everything that has happened in the past 20 years.

I was the one who mentioned him. Didn't want to beat the drum about his treatment, I just think his nomination is a key part of the confirmation woes, as it created massive hostility that has never really gone away. I would say his nomination rivals Bork in importance, but is far less known.

[Anonymous User]

Re. Estrada: several people I know at GDC have had not-great things to say about working with him, so had he been confirmed, he might have become a mainstay of the best-and-worst-judges thread. Fun little thought exercise.

True, but not about his intellect or work ethic. If he was on D.C. Circuit, he'd compete with Srinivasan and Katsas for the most-demanding-boss title.

Nah that prize indisputably goes to Millett

Could you elaborate?

[Anonymous User]

Uh no, it's not. Or are you about to argue that they were filibustering Bill Pryor, Richard Griffin, David McKeague, and Priscilla Owen because they're also Latino?

That memo only gives insight into why Estrada was somebody they considered to be a good person to pick to filibuster as payback.

Trying to imagine your reaction if Senate republicans wrote a memo saying they were filibustering anyone because of their race, sex, or orientation.

[Anonymous User]

We agree. But this is politics. Optics matter. And those sort of things get considered on both sides. DC is a place full of shitty people.

Maybe, but Democrats said the quiet part out loud, all while insisting that racism is exclusively a Republican problem. Similarly, the unstated implication of this thread is that FedSoc has few if any minority judges. That's factually wrong, as others have proven, but it's also fair to point out that Democrats played a role in keeping qualified minority conservatives off the federal bench.

[Anonymous User]

Re. Estrada: several people I know at GDC have had not-great things to say about working with him, so had he been confirmed, he might have become a mainstay of the best-and-worst-judges thread. Fun little thought exercise.

True, but not about his intellect or work ethic. If he was on D.C. Circuit, he'd compete with Srinivasan and Katsas for the most-demanding-boss title.

Nah that prize indisputably goes to Millett

Could you elaborate?

Different anon. Do a search of this board. This is fairly well known.

[lavarman84]

We agree. But this is politics. Optics matter. And those sort of things get considered on both sides. DC is a place full of shitty people.

Maybe, but Democrats said the quiet part out loud, all while insisting that racism is exclusively a Republican problem. Similarly, the unstated implication of this thread is that FedSoc has few if any minority judges. That's factually wrong, as others have proven, but it's also fair to point out that Democrats played a role in keeping qualified minority conservatives off the federal bench.

Nothing stopped Trump from appointing him.

[Anonymous User]

We agree. But this is politics. Optics matter. And those sort of things get considered on both sides. DC is a place full of shitty people.

Maybe, but Democrats said the quiet part out loud, all while insisting that racism is exclusively a Republican problem. Similarly, the unstated implication of this thread is that FedSoc has few if any minority judges. That's factually wrong, as others have proven, but it's also fair to point out that Democrats played a role in keeping qualified minority conservatives off the federal bench.

I think it’s hilarious that the fed socs dweebs in this thread name a dozen or so non white judges in a federal judiciary of hundreds and think they’ve disproven “that FedSoc has few if any minority judges.”

Successful troll is successful.