2021-2022 Clerkship Application Thread Forum

[Anonymous User]

I know at least one off-plan judge on 2/9/DC scheduled interviews today with OSCAR applicants but I've heard of no widespread Plan violations

[floatie]

So if you don’t receive a call sometime tomorrow you guys think that means you’re out of luck for most Oscar judges?

This is my first cycle so I don’t really know what to expect.

Top 5% at a T25, K-JD, pretty weak softs.

No. Judges move at different speeds. And COVID is complicating things.

Just want to add that a LOT of judges are going at a slower pace this year than usual. I'm c/o 2020 so I've been applying for a while. I had a handful of phone screeners in March/April with both on-plan and off-plan judges, and all of the judges want to schedule "real" interviews in late July/early August, mostly to see if it's possible to do an in-person interview then. There seems to be a lot of skepticism about whether a virtual interview is sufficient to gauge whether the judge wants to spend a year or two with you in chambers.

[desiperc]

So if you don’t receive a call sometime tomorrow you guys think that means you’re out of luck for most Oscar judges?

This is my first cycle so I don’t really know what to expect.

Top 5% at a T25, K-JD, pretty weak softs.

No. Judges move at different speeds. And COVID is complicating things.

Just want to add that a LOT of judges are going at a slower pace this year than usual. I'm c/o 2020 so I've been applying for a while. I had a handful of phone screeners in March/April with both on-plan and off-plan judges, and all of the judges want to schedule "real" interviews in late July/early August, mostly to see if it's possible to do an in-person interview then. There seems to be a lot of skepticism about whether a virtual interview is sufficient to gauge whether the judge wants to spend a year or two with you in chambers.

This may be right overall, but as a counter example I had a full video interview with an off-plan judge in May and that judge deemed those interviews sufficient to fill the 2021 clerk class. Its idiosyncratic.

[floatie]

So if you don’t receive a call sometime tomorrow you guys think that means you’re out of luck for most Oscar judges?

This is my first cycle so I don’t really know what to expect.

Top 5% at a T25, K-JD, pretty weak softs.

No. Judges move at different speeds. And COVID is complicating things.

Just want to add that a LOT of judges are going at a slower pace this year than usual. I'm c/o 2020 so I've been applying for a while. I had a handful of phone screeners in March/April with both on-plan and off-plan judges, and all of the judges want to schedule "real" interviews in late July/early August, mostly to see if it's possible to do an in-person interview then. There seems to be a lot of skepticism about whether a virtual interview is sufficient to gauge whether the judge wants to spend a year or two with you in chambers.

This may be right overall, but as a counter example I had a full video interview with an off-plan judge in May and that judge deemed those interviews sufficient to fill the 2021 clerk class. Its idiosyncratic.

100% agree with you, I was hoping to just provide a reassuring piece of information for people who are currently waiting and who might find themselves waiting longer than usual.

[BobLoblaw18]

At least two judges I applied to now have expired postings after I finalized. Should I withdraw those apps to make room for new ones? Or leave them?

I would leave them, since they don't count against your 100

It seems like it does count against the 100 total though? I have six that are now listed as "Expired" so I tried doing a new app and when I went to finalize I got a message saying "You have reach Term Application Limit." Did I do something wrong do you think?

[bretby]

Interview calls have started to go out - not going to say which district, but just to inform people the "reading period" is not being taken very seriously.

Why wouldn't you say which district? If calls are going out, it's clearly not a secret....

Because the interview is today as well, the district is not one of the large ones, and all of this is not technically allowed - Quite paranoid about even posting this. I've said what I'm going to say in an attempt to be helpful, letting people know that some judges are not following the reading period.

No need to be paranoid - compliance with the plan is completely voluntary so it's not like the judge is going to get into "trouble." And really the people who care most about compliance -- namely other judges -- know which of their colleagues comply and which don't without needing to see it on an internet message board.

[Anonymous User]

At least two judges I applied to now have expired postings after I finalized. Should I withdraw those apps to make room for new ones? Or leave them?

I would leave them, since they don't count against your 100

It seems like it does count against the 100 total though? I have six that are now listed as "Expired" so I tried doing a new app and when I went to finalize I got a message saying "You have reach Term Application Limit." Did I do something wrong do you think?

Expired counts for 30 days, but Filled doesn't, was my understanding.

[BobLoblaw18]

At least two judges I applied to now have expired postings after I finalized. Should I withdraw those apps to make room for new ones? Or leave them?

I would leave them, since they don't count against your 100

It seems like it does count against the 100 total though? I have six that are now listed as "Expired" so I tried doing a new app and when I went to finalize I got a message saying "You have reach Term Application Limit." Did I do something wrong do you think?

Expired counts for 30 days, but Filled doesn't, was my understanding.

Ahh that makes more sense. Thanks!

[Anonymous User]

HLS information shows that it appears several conservative judges on Circuits mostly complying with the plan (ex: 3rd) are offering interviews to 3Ls before the 24 hour waiting period is up.

[desiperc]

HLS information shows that it appears several conservative judges on Circuits mostly complying with the plan (ex: 3rd) are offering interviews to 3Ls before the 24 hour waiting period is up.

Any indications on which Circuits/Districts are moving?

[Anonymous User]

HLS information shows that it appears several conservative judges on Circuits mostly complying with the plan (ex: 3rd) are offering interviews to 3Ls before the 24 hour waiting period is up.

Booooo. Who else besides chagares?

[Anonymous User]

Lets ride...

[Anonymous User]

Was contacted by a 9th circuit judge yesterday.

Nothing today yet.

[Anonymous User]

Was contacted by a 9th circuit judge yesterday.

Nothing today yet.

Congrats! Are you comfortable sharing your stats?

[Anonymous User]

Was contacted by a 9th circuit judge yesterday.

Nothing today yet.

Congrats! Are you comfortable sharing your stats?

Top 5-10% at HYS.

My school has a system of reporting who has been contacted, and there is an absolute flood of reports coming in.

[Anonymous User]

Motz, Kearse, Boudin, Higginson, Bibas, Moore, Boggs, Lucero, Saylor, Lynch, Kayatta, Wardlaw, Kovner, Feinerman have all extended interview invites.

[Anonymous User]

Several N.D. Tex. judges have extended interview invites (Godbey, Lynn, Fitzwater, possibly more).

[Anonymous User]

Is this the same poster? Curious where this info is coming from (clerkship office, current clerks, etc.)

[Anonymous User]

Different anon than any previous postings, but can confirm that several in N.D. Tex. have extended interviews.

[Anonymous User]

Is this the same poster? Curious where this info is coming from (clerkship office, current clerks, etc.)

It is self reported by students.

[Anonymous User]

DDC and EDNY are moving as well

[Anonymous User]

Different anon here.... E.D. Michigan judge sent out a request for a memo on a legal issue...anyone know how common this type of thing is?

[Wild Card]

Motz, Kearse, Boudin, Higginson, Bibas, Moore, Boggs, Lucero, Saylor, Lynch, Kayatta, Wardlaw, Kovner, Feinerman have all extended interview invites.

Thank you very much: this is helpful.

[Wild Card]

DDC and EDNY are moving as well

One or two, or all as a group?

[Anonymous User]

Ninth Circuit: Watford and Friedland have moved and scheduled interviews for today/tomorrow.