2022-2023 Post-Clerkship Hiring Forum

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone heard anything from the McDermott SCOTUS & appellate group job posting?

[Anonymous User]

Does anyone have any info on Southeast markets (particularly Atlanta or Charlotte)?

[Lurker08743]

Jones Day ding

[Anonymous User]

Any recent Susman movement? Radio silence after the first round interview is killing me.

[Anonymous User]

Any recent Susman movement? Radio silence after the first round interview is killing me.

When was your first round? I was dinged about three weeks after first round.

[Anonymous User]

Any recent Susman movement? Radio silence after the first round interview is killing me.

When was your first round? I was dinged about three weeks after first round.

Over a month

[himi bimi]

Jones Day ding

Which office?

[Anonymous User]

Any recent Susman movement? Radio silence after the first round interview is killing me.

When was your first round? I was dinged about three weeks after first round.

Over a month

Oh wow. It sounds like you and I interviewed around the same time, but you survived the round of dings that I did not. So it sounds like a good sign?

[Anonymous User]

Orrick's appellate group has started interviewing.

[Lurker08743]

Jones Day ding

Which office?

Chicago

[himi bimi]

Jones Day ding

Which office?

Chicago

Thanks. Haven't heard from Boston but maybe it's not centralized.

[Anonymous User]

Orrick's appellate group has started interviewing.

Which office?

[Anonymous User]

Orrick's appellate group has started interviewing.

Which office?

It's my understanding their hiring is done by the group, not by the office? In other words, I think for all offices.

[Anonymous User]

Any recent Susman movement? Radio silence after the first round interview is killing me.

When was your first round? I was dinged about three weeks after first round.

Over a month

Oh wow. It sounds like you and I interviewed around the same time, but you survived the round of dings that I did not. So it sounds like a good sign?

Which office did you interview with?

[Anonymous User]

I know of Susman offers a couple of weeks ago to people who got second interviews

[Anonymous User]

PW DC ding. No interview.

[Anonymous User]

I know of Susman offers a couple of weeks ago to people who got second interviews

Second interview as in screener + long interview, or second interview as in second long interview?

[Anonymous User]

It seems like Gibson might be moving now?

[Anonymous User]

It seems like Gibson might be moving now?

Can confirm, I know of someone dinged by Gibson in the last week.

[Anonymous User]

It seems like Gibson might be moving now?

Can confirm, I know of someone dinged by Gibson in the last week.

Is this post interview? I recently got an interview invite.

[Anonymous User]

It seems like Gibson might be moving now?

Can confirm, I know of someone dinged by Gibson in the last week.

Is this post interview? I recently got an interview invite.

Which office?

[Anonymous User]

It seems like Gibson might be moving now?

Can confirm, I know of someone dinged by Gibson in the last week.

Is this post interview? I recently got an interview invite.

What office?

[Anonymous User]

Anyone have any thoughts about Hueston Hennigan’s NY office?

[Anonymous User]

had a few boutique interviews but none for biglaw yet. double clerk, T6. could it be that biglaw firms just aren't looking for clerks? Clerks are expensive and the biglaw lit model doesn't really need that many nor the kind of skillset or talent that clerks bring

what do you mean by this? My experience has been that big firms tend to appreciate/actively recruit clerks in lit?

Not OP but their original point that clerks are not as attractive to big law firms is correct. While firms like Susman and Quinn have raised clerkship bonuses big law clerkship bonuses have remained stagnant. The majority of profitable big law litigation is white collar and you certainly don't need a clerkship to be a good government investigations attorney (in fact I'd argue that associates that leave to clerk for a year are more are stunted compared to white collar associates that stayed at the firm). In a down market, existing litigation associates are usually safe but they have an obvious incentive to not expand loss leader groups like appellate.

Nobody who does a decent clerkship wants to do investigations, people who want to do criminal law want to do actual criminal work that can get them into AUSA/FPD positions

It also just isn’t true that white collar is the most profitable lit specialty (what?)

Yeah this. Also, litigation is countercyclical. It's corporate that shrinks in down years.

[Anonymous User]

had a few boutique interviews but none for biglaw yet. double clerk, T6. could it be that biglaw firms just aren't looking for clerks? Clerks are expensive and the biglaw lit model doesn't really need that many nor the kind of skillset or talent that clerks bring

what do you mean by this? My experience has been that big firms tend to appreciate/actively recruit clerks in lit?

Not OP but their original point that clerks are not as attractive to big law firms is correct. While firms like Susman and Quinn have raised clerkship bonuses big law clerkship bonuses have remained stagnant. The majority of profitable big law litigation is white collar and you certainly don't need a clerkship to be a good government investigations attorney (in fact I'd argue that associates that leave to clerk for a year are more are stunted compared to white collar associates that stayed at the firm). In a down market, existing litigation associates are usually safe but they have an obvious incentive to not expand loss leader groups like appellate.

Nobody who does a decent clerkship wants to do investigations, people who want to do criminal law want to do actual criminal work that can get them into AUSA/FPD positions

It also just isn’t true that white collar is the most profitable lit specialty (what?)

Yeah this. Also, litigation is countercyclical. It's corporate that shrinks in down years.

Seems not to be the case in NYC at the moment, where litigation is obviously more directly tied to capital markets. Many large firms do not seem to be hiring in litigation right now, including, Latham, Skadden, PW, Kirkland, and MiIlbank. At least, that's what I suspect based on friends recruiting processes and their relative qualifications. So far, the only spots in NYC I have affirmatively heard of interviewing folks in lit are Cravath, S&C, Quinn, and Susman. I wonder if that comports with others experiences in NYC lit this cycle?