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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:55 am

If possible, I would try to figure out (through third-party sources, former clerks, professors, etc.) whether phone calls are more effective before or after the interview offer in the particular chambers to which you are applying. Every judge has his or her own idiosyncratic stance on phone calls. In my second chambers, the phone call helped get your application more attention, which was important because the judge wanted to bring in only one or two finalists for each available spot. The phone call would not have helped as much post-offer. But in my first chambers, the judge would get phone calls pre-offer but thought that they were more annoying than anything else. Once the offers were made, though, the judge was much more receptive to phone calls. Not 100% sure why, but the judge would bring in a lot more finalists per spot and I suspect that the phone call was more helpful to the judge in winnowing down the pool. I also suspect that the judge just didn't want to field calls unless already invested in the applicant.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:33 am

Any updates on Judges Jordan (11th Cir.), Eid (10th Cir.), Howard (1st Cir.), Carter (SDNY), or Lynn (N.D. Tex.)?

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Tofukid » Sun Jun 30, 2019 12:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any updates on Judges Jordan (11th Cir.), Eid (10th Cir.), Howard (1st Cir.), Carter (SDNY), or Lynn (N.D. Tex.)?
Lynn has been interviewing.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If possible, I would try to figure out (through third-party sources, former clerks, professors, etc.) whether phone calls are more effective before or after the interview offer in the particular chambers to which you are applying. Every judge has his or her own idiosyncratic stance on phone calls. In my second chambers, the phone call helped get your application more attention, which was important because the judge wanted to bring in only one or two finalists for each available spot. The phone call would not have helped as much post-offer. But in my first chambers, the judge would get phone calls pre-offer but thought that they were more annoying than anything else. Once the offers were made, though, the judge was much more receptive to phone calls. Not 100% sure why, but the judge would bring in a lot more finalists per spot and I suspect that the phone call was more helpful to the judge in winnowing down the pool. I also suspect that the judge just didn't want to field calls unless already invested in the applicant.
You’re right that judges are idiosyncratic, so this answer is only good for my judge, but before, and only if the judge knows and trusts the person calling. Most often, these calls come from former clerks who have gotten to know the applicant one way or another (e.g. the applicant is summering or is a young associate at a firm where the former clerk works). They’ve also come from district judges, professors, and lawyers who the judge worked with before being nominated.

Those calls will always at least get your application pulled from the pile and might give you a bump if we’re comparing you to 15 other equally strong applicants. The judge wants to interview as few people as possible, and if a trusted person recommends you, that makes you more likely to be a fit during the interview than someone who’s a blank slate.

A call after the offer but before the interview would still be helpful, but at that point, it’s really about whether you perform well enough at the interview to get the job. If you make it to the interview you’re competing against yourself for “your” spot; the judge isn’t directly weighing you against another candidate at that point. But it’s still enormously helpful to talk to any former clerk you can find at this stage, even if it means cold-calling someone who’s an alum of your school. The former clerks will give you insight on the interview and then will report back to the judge that they had a nice chat with you. For my judge, if you go to one of the law schools that we’ve hired a ton of former clerks from, we’ll be surprised if no clerks call saying that you reached out to them.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:02 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Yehar wrote:Any movement amongst SDNY senior judges?
Marrero is currently interviewing.
Anyone know if he's still taking on interviews?

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:56 pm

Alsup (ND Cal) 2020 interview invites went out.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:05 am

Is it just me or did movement slow significantly after the first week in New York? Are judges going back and sifting through the pile now that the top of the class is gone, or is everyone done hiring?

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:10 am

Can’t speak to new york, but I spoke to two chambers who haven’t finished going through even the initial look at applications.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:55 am

Anonymous User wrote:Is it just me or did movement slow significantly after the first week in New York? Are judges going back and sifting through the pile now that the top of the class is gone, or is everyone done hiring?
For 2020? Or in general? SDNY is still interviewing.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:44 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Is it just me or did movement slow significantly after the first week in New York? Are judges going back and sifting through the pile now that the top of the class is gone, or is everyone done hiring?
For 2020? Or in general? SDNY is still interviewing.
That’s nerve-wracking for someone who’s heard dead silence. I guess for any term after 2020?

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:46 am

Anyone know if Judge Diane Wood is still hiring for 2020?

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Re: Movement Today

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Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know if Judge Diane Wood is still hiring for 2020?
I know she has hired at least someone, don't know if she's still going.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:50 pm

Received offer to interview today from a Seventh Circuit district court judge. Hope is alive.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Yehar » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:11 pm

Congrats! Good luck!

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:04 pm

Multiple EDNY judges moving today!

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:21 pm

Any word on other Second Circuit judges?

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Multiple EDNY judges moving today!
Could you say which ones? Interviewee hoping to hear back...

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:48 pm

Any SDNY movement today? Assuming if not today then no action for the rest of the week because of the holiday.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone know if Judge Diane Wood is still hiring for 2020?
She's hired at least two from an unsurprising school

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Any SDNY movement today? Assuming if not today then no action for the rest of the week because of the holiday.
Judge Abrams is reported to be done hiring through the 2022-2023 term.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:14 pm

Any updates?

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Re: Movement Today

Post by kiwi50 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:18 pm

Do any clerks have insight on whether we should expect any movement this week, or have hiring processes pretty much died down for now?

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:52 pm

Judges are still moving, albeit slowly. I had an SDNY interview earlier this week (invitation sent late last week), and I have two 9th Cir interviews (non-CA judges) next week (one invitation sent at the end of last month, the other invitation sent on Monday).

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:53 pm

kiwi50 wrote:Do any clerks have insight on whether we should expect any movement this week, or have hiring processes pretty much died down for now?
From a 2/9 chambers that's done hiring: we were surprised with the number of outstanding apps that came in over the past few days. No buyer's remorse at all about the wonderful people we hired, but it felt odd seeing several applications that would have probably been given immediate screener interviews if we had seen them during the first week come in after we had already made all of our offers.

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Re: Movement Today

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:58 pm

Any word on Thomas in 9?

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