Michigan Law Class of 2015 Forum

[skers]

Wasn't that class the one advised to bid heavily on Chicago, and then Chicago melted down during that summer and a ton of people got no offered? If so that's a one year abberation- big meltdown plus the recession hitting the market that was considered "safer" at the time meant so many grads got smacked.
You know, that would actually play out nice for us; if the numbers jump back up next year then Michigan will probably gain 2 or 3 points in the rankings metric and then jump back ahead of VPB. It's only 1 point behind VPB right now.
Anyways, it was a bad year; the employer ranking still has MIchigan at 4 or 5, so it should be fixed in the near future. It's not that firms like Michigan less; it was just a bad year. Statistical noise.

[luxxe]

Just got an email from a 1L who is working at my DREAM ORGANIZATION this summer about all the awesome gender stuff she is involved in on campus.

Tugging at my heartstrings, Michigan.

[moneybagsphd]

Just got an email from a 1L who is working at my DREAM ORGANIZATION this summer about all the awesome gender stuff she is involved in on campus.

Tugging at my heartstrings, Michigan.

+1, not gender stuff, but they found someone whose interests match mine. Michigan, you're a smoothie.

[Killingly]

Just got an email from a 1L who is working at my DREAM ORGANIZATION this summer about all the awesome gender stuff she is involved in on campus.

Tugging at my heartstrings, Michigan.

+1, not gender stuff, but they found someone whose interests match mine. Michigan, you're a smoothie.

I want an e-mail

[starchinkilt]

So the updated career services info is really interesting, and perhaps a little disheartening. Don't want to get into details myself, but this in particular is a pretty interesting and useful resource:

http://www.law.umich.edu/careers/classs ... stats.aspx

despite that the numbers decline from right to left almost without exception...

Does anyone know--or have a plausible theory as to--why Skadden numbers plummeted from 09-11 (11, 7, 0) and Wachtell doesn't seem to recruit at Mich at all? Pretty depressing biglaw # trend.

Does anyone know what happened to Kirkland & Ellis #s from 09 to 11?

The Kirkland & Ellis thing is weird but I wouldn't worry about it... I know of more than one 2013 person with a Kirkland & Ellis SA and they recruited pretty heavily this past summer. Keep in mind, 2011 was a LOT worse than things are now and was pretty much the bottom of the barrel. The BigLaw numbers should begin going up again for c/o 2012.

Yeah, I know at least 5 people summering at K+E this summer. I barely know any one in the class too.

[planeride]

Wasn't that class the one advised to bid heavily on Chicago, and then Chicago melted down during that summer and a ton of people got no offered? If so that's a one year abberation- big meltdown plus the recession hitting the market that was considered "safer" at the time meant so many grads got smacked.
You know, that would actually play out nice for us; if the numbers jump back up next year then Michigan will probably gain 2 or 3 points in the rankings metric and then jump back ahead of VPB. It's only 1 point behind VPB right now.
Anyways, it was a bad year; the employer ranking still has MIchigan at 4 or 5, so it should be fixed in the near future. It's not that firms like Michigan less; it was just a bad year. Statistical noise.

"You think the no-offers are an endless line coming towards the Law Quad...wrong. They are only a few of them and they turn around and then return as if to make a long snake."

[Sammy841]

Just got an email from a 1L who is working at my DREAM ORGANIZATION this summer about all the awesome gender stuff she is involved in on campus.

Tugging at my heartstrings, Michigan.

Can I ask what your dream organization is? I'm also interested in gender issues.

[stupidq]

anyone looking for a place for the summer in AA? Current 1L looking to sublet a spacious studio on the 16th floor of a safe doorman bldg; 3-4 minute walk to campus (bldg is at william and maynard; super close to both all the stuff on state street and the school).

I'm looking for 800/mo, but will consider best offers.

[UnamSanctam]

New Dean Z blog here. Another good one.


ETA: Apologies if it's been posted already. Did not read back through this thread before posting.

[cylon_clone]

New Dean Z blog here. Another good one.


ETA: Apologies if it's been posted already. Did not read back through this thread before posting.

"During the first panel of our weekend, I mentioned, in response to a question from a student about post-graduate fellowships, that we were in the midst of wrapping up this big project, and that while I was loath to state with authority the number of fellowships we give in advance of the definitive data about to be posted, I could say with authority that at the time we reported our NALP data, only eight of our graduates were on post-graduate fellowships. Everyone else previously awarded a fellowship either had moved on to a new position, or was unemployed. Plain enough, right?

Apparently not, because that information was then relayed to Professor Campos—possibly by one of the prospective students who heard it, possibly by someone who had heard it from one of them (and this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have rules against hearsay)—and understood to be a statement that we had only ever given out eight fellowships. That is quite certainly neither what I stated nor what I implied."


*sigh* who wants to bet it was a TLSer who "misunderstood" Dean Z? She was clear and didn't say or imply only eight total fellowships...to clear up any potential misunderstanding or misquote, she even said to check out the, then forthcoming detailed 3-yr employment data.

[JoeMo]

*sigh* who wants to bet it was a TLSer who "misunderstood" Dean Z? She was clear and didn't say or imply only eight total fellowships...to clear up any potential misunderstanding or misquote, she even said to check out the, then forthcoming detailed 3-yr employment data.

There were quite a few people making a HUGE deal of this all weekend. However, I also heard what you heard. And she also said very clearly that the detailed information would be up within days.

[keg411]

Yeah, I know at least 5 people summering at K+E this summer. I barely know any one in the class too.

THIS. Although we know the same people .
Seriously just from people I generally know, 2013 looks NOTHING like 2011. It's night and day.

[thelaststraw05]

Yeah, I know at least 5 people summering at K+E this summer. I barely know any one in the class too.

THIS. Although we know the same people .
Seriously just from people I generally know, 2013 looks NOTHING like 2011. It's night and day.

I'm a 1L, but I imagine that if things were as bad as the 2011 numbers, the Law School would be a much less pleasant place right now. That many people staring down the barrel of unemployment wouldn't have the atmosphere we have right now.

[Sammy841]

Did anyone have any luck negotiating for money with a Vandy scholarship?

[erikjc]

Did anyone have any luck negotiating for money with a Vandy scholarship?

They say they don't negotiate because they carefully determine merit awards during the admissions process. Not sure if they make any exceptions, but they seemed firm when I asked.

[Killingly]

Did anyone have any luck negotiating for money with a Vandy scholarship?

They say they don't negotiate because they carefully determine merit awards during the admissions process. Not sure if they make any exceptions, but they seemed firm when I asked.

Did you get merit money to begin with? I think they'll only reevaluate your file if they initially awarded you $0

[erikjc]

Did anyone have any luck negotiating for money with a Vandy scholarship?

They say they don't negotiate because they carefully determine merit awards during the admissions process. Not sure if they make any exceptions, but they seemed firm when I asked.

Did you get merit money to begin with? I think they'll only reevaluate your file if they initially awarded you $0

I did, so that could be true.

[Sammy841]

I have zero merit aid and $60,000 at Vandy. They gave me a generous grant so I almost feel bad asking for more, but it would make my decision easier.

[Killingly]

I have zero merit aid and $60,000 at Vandy. They gave me a generous grant so I almost feel bad asking for more, but it would make my decision easier.

Just ask. I did, and it worked in my favor.

[wolverine2013]

Any summer starters or fall starters moving to Ann Arbor still looking for housing? I am looking to sublet a spacious room in a new house for $400 per month (May-August, dates flexible). PM me if you or anyone you know might be interested.

Edit: it is about a 10 minute walk from the law school

[Entchen]

Just a reminder, if you are considering applying to Phid, the deadline is Sunday. Application is here: http://www.phidhouse.org/apply.php

PM me if you have any questions

[UnamSanctam]

Just a reminder, if you are considering applying to Phid, the deadline is Sunday. Application is here: http://www.phidhouse.org/apply.php

PM me if you have any questions

My SO really wanted to dance on the table at the Phid party. I did not. Cue her jumping up there.

Thoroughly enjoyed that place.

[Entchen]

Just a reminder, if you are considering applying to Phid, the deadline is Sunday. Application is here: http://www.phidhouse.org/apply.php

PM me if you have any questions

My SO really wanted to dance on the table at the Phid party. I did not. Cue her jumping up there.

Thoroughly enjoyed that place.

I approve.

Of her. Not you. You should have danced on the table. Table dancing is fun.

[Lady in Red]

I'm facing the unpleasant task of figuring out which clothes to take to Ann Arbor and which ones to give away. As a teacher, I have a professional wardrobe of dresses, skirts, and blouses, all of which will probably look too formal to wear to classes. The thought of giving away all of my nicest clothes makes me sad, but will I ever wear them again? I'm guessing that for interviews I should probably have suits, and I'm also guessing that my clothes might not be quite formal enough for future lawyering jobs. Or would my dresses and skirts be right for summer work? Since I live in Phoenix, most of my wardrobe is for warmer weather.

TLS, please make all my petty life decisions for me.

[thelawschoolproject]

I'm facing the unpleasant task of figuring out which clothes to take to Ann Arbor and which ones to give away. As a teacher, I have a professional wardrobe of dresses, skirts, and blouses, all of which will probably look too formal to wear to classes. The thought of giving away all of my nicest clothes makes me sad, but will I ever wear them again? I'm guessing that for interviews I should probably have suits, and I'm also guessing that my clothes might not be quite formal enough for future lawyering jobs. Or would my dresses and skirts be right for summer work? Since I live in Phoenix, most of my wardrobe is for warmer weather.

TLS, please make all my petty life decisions for me.

Do you anticipate changing dress sizes between now and when you think you'll need the clothes again? If you think you're going to have to replace your wardrobe anyway on account of that...then maybe let some of the things go?

As for me, I'm keeping everything. I'm a hoarder. A2 is warned.