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Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by theshorthappyguy21 » Tue May 10, 2016 12:58 am

Hello TLS,

I am extremely bummed out right now because I have had type 1 diabetes since I was a little kid, and I have had it under control for a very long time, and I talked to my student services dean at the beginning of the semester and she basically told me that if I have it figured out, there's no need for accommodations, and I really didn't think there was any problem.

THEN of course...right in the middle of one of my exams last week...I get hit with a hypoglycemic attack. I keep glucose tablets on me at all times, and I ate them, and within about 40-45 minutes I was feeling better. But I was truly dazed and disoriented for that entire time... I went and talked to my Dean about it, and she said we can set up accommodations for future exams, but there really isn't much to do about this exam.

This really isn't a question as much as it is just a place to vent. I just spent so much time studying, and I know that the time I lost during the exam is going to be such a setback. I already know one major issue I missed and I'm sure there were others now that I am thinking back on it.

I just hate that this one class could make or break my GPA, especially if it went as bad as I think it might have.

Sorry to just rant.....I am just extremely upset about this. I should have had accommodations put in place from the beginning, but I so rarely get hit w/ these low blood sugar attacks anymore that I just didn't think it was necessary...and then the cruel law school gods decide to get me right in the middle of an exam.

Just sad.... :( BLAH.

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Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 12:18 pm

My sister has this, and there are requirements on how she needs to be tested. These are legal requirements that apply to any college receiving government funding. Even without the funding, a school would be obligated to give you notice that those with Diabetes will be treated like dogs and not students, and not given accommodations they're entitled to under Title VII. You couldn't know when applying that being a Type 1 Diabetic at your school means you're less human. It's not only that they violated protocol here, but also that they gave you no warning for such. I'd demand the school put "NOTE TO APPLICANTS: DIABETICS AND DOGS WILL BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY" so that future diabetics can know what to expect before enrolling.

If the school knew, didn't accommodate you and then your blood sugar got fucked during the test, that's a problem and it's a different problem than your computer crashing or running out of time. Basically this would be pretty open and shut. Speak to the dean, then speak to a lawyer, the schoool would likely wind up either being out of millions of dollars or they'd let you retake the test. This is a serious issue, and there is a specific protocol they needed to lay out, which they didn't. Fuck them. Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.

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Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 12:25 pm

Speak to your endocrinologist ASAP. If the school didn't know, you'd probably be entitled to retake the test. If the school did know, you should speak to a lawyer as this is a serious enough offense on their part they could lose their right to receive government funds. There are rights you have here that weren't being respected by the school. I know this because my sister has the same thing you do, and this shit would never happen - schools are paranoid because if they did what your law school did to you, it'd be a multimillion dollar mistake. Speak to a lawyer yesterday.

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Post by emkay625 » Thu May 12, 2016 12:34 pm

So from what I understand here, you requested accommodations but were denied originally, and this impacted your performance on the exam? I would consult with an attorney.

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Post by FPT-33 » Thu May 12, 2016 12:46 pm

theshorthappyguy21 wrote:Hello TLS,

I am extremely bummed out right now because I have had type 1 diabetes since I was a little kid, and I have had it under control for a very long time, and I talked to my student services dean at the beginning of the semester and she basically told me that if I have it figured out, there's no need for accommodations, and I really didn't think there was any problem.
Speak to a lawyer. As an aside, same thing happened to me and since then I made sure that my BS is high during exams, because strangely it always seemed to drop during.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 2:31 pm

People get accommodations for hurting a hand. For Type 1 Diabetes, unlike Type 2 the pancreas is not functioning at all, and random abnormalities like stress induced sweating or glucose tablets not kicking in fast enough could result in OP's blood sugar falling below 80 due to no fault of their own. When you think of regular Diabetes, you're thinking about high blood sugar due to minimal pancreatic function that could give OP a headache and are bad for the organs over the long term.

With low blood sugar, cognitive functioning immediately breaks down and you're talking about a 5-10 minute difference between coming back in an hour or falling into a coma. To not only not implement accommodations throughout the year, but then to also tell him shit you're out of luck, shouldn't have been Diabetic when taking the test, we're speaking about a serious legal issue. This isn't like lyme disease or radial tunnel syndrome where there's debate on how big of a deal it really is. We're speaking about OP being forced to take a test in a situation he should have been with a doctor. He literally could have died. For the school to solely get a discrimination suit would be a blessing. If OP didn't forfeit his test time the dean could be looking at charges for negligent homicide. Speak to the dean yesterday.


Hypoglycemic means very low blood sugar. Picture your brain after drinking 20 shots of vodka and drifting in an out of a coma. Many of us would have been so obsessed with the exam that we'd have pushed it off, and depending on some luck, half of us would be dead and the other half would have long term brain damage.

OP - Her'es what your dean basically told you, "Tough luck shit for brains, you should have died. You chose to live so therefore we're going to lower your grade. True we didn't tell you before you came that Diabetics aren't people, but fuck you, fuck your rights, die next time or don't bother taking the test."

Reach out to ATL, other websites and press forward. This will be a big deal. I'd say retaking the test isn't sufficient at this point. The dean should step down. S/he clearly lacks the judgment to operate any school of any kind. If you publicize this, you'll see medical experts chiming in and the Board of Trustees will string him/her up. For anybody that understands what Type 1 Diabetes is, what the law about accommodations any institution or employer must entitle Diabetics to and for anyone with a family member impacted by this horrible disease - this is big. No question it would make the local news. Obviously do what's best for you, but you'd be doing society a big service if you fucked your school up.

Start at pp. 30-31: http://www.ada.gov/pubs/adastatute08.pdf

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Post by Bluedragons » Thu May 12, 2016 2:50 pm

As a type 1, I easily received accommodated testing for the LSAT...I'm shocked by the schools response since they have no proof that you have control and you didn't show that you did either. As a 0L- if this isn't quickly resolved please PM me so I can make sure this isn't the law school I'm going to in the fall!

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Person1111 » Thu May 12, 2016 2:56 pm

I also have Type 1. I had the same conversation about accommodations with someone in our Dean of Students' office when I was in law school, and the reality is that most Type 1 diabetics don't need accommodations for exams (other than an exemption from a ban on food and/or electronic devices, if your school imposes one - we didn't). What accommodation could they have given you that would have prevented this from happening? Can you honestly say that that accommodation would not have given you an unfair advantage in the 99.9% of instances when you didn't need it?

This is a good lesson that frequent monitoring and planning is the key to preventing Type 1 from controlling your life. I try to run slightly higher than average BG and avoid eating shortly beforehand if I am going to court or if I am going to be in a situation where I may not be able to test myself/correct an out-of-range BG. I would also invest in a CGM if you can afford it; it's a huge lifesaver in these kinds of situations. As far as law school goes, try to take classes with take home exams if you can. Losing 30-45 minutes there is not nearly as much of an issue as it is in a 3-hour exam.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Desert Fox » Thu May 12, 2016 4:31 pm

People get sick during exams all teh time. It's just part of the game. Take the accommodations for the next time around. Not much you can really do about the past.

You probaly should have gone to the test proctor when the attack happened. But after the fact, what can they really do now?
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Post by Jordan Catalano » Thu May 12, 2016 4:43 pm

theshorthappyguy21 wrote:I talked to my student services dean at the beginning of the semester and she basically told me that if I have it figured out, there's no need for accommodations, and I really didn't think there was any problem.
If OP communicated that their condition was under control and that there wasn't any problem then allowing accommodations might not have been a possibility. I believe you have to show a demonstrated current need for accommodations. Hiring a lawyer might not work in this situation. Regardless, I agree that this situation sucks. I hope your grade isn't too bad, OP.

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Post by RaceJudicata » Thu May 12, 2016 5:04 pm

Lets not simplify this and say OP has a "million dollar claim"

ADA rules are not so simplistic. There are a lot of unknown factors -- what accommodation did OP request? Was it reasonable? Is Type 1 diabetes -- that is admittedly under control -- even qualified as a disability under the ADA, what type of institution - public or private, etc., etc., etc.

Not saying what the school did was right, or even remotely reasonable. But lets not say (at this point) that OP should go suing his or her law school. Hell, s/he might ace the test.

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Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 7:08 pm

Desert Fox wrote:People get sick during exams all teh time. It's just part of the game. Take the accommodations for the next time around. Not much you can really do about the past.

You probaly should have gone to the test proctor when the attack happened. But after the fact, what can they really do now?
You're very ignorant here. You're equivocating sick like you have a cold to sick like you could die if you don't have glucose in your system in 5 minutes. You sound as ridiculous as if you said, high school kids goof around all the time and you compare a kid watching Netflix in math to the Three Guys One Hammer Video. Boys will be boys - some boys watch TV in school, some bulge random passerby's eyes out with screwdrivers.

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Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 7:10 pm

hlsperson1111 wrote:I also have Type 1. I had the same conversation about accommodations with someone in our Dean of Students' office when I was in law school, and the reality is that most Type 1 diabetics don't need accommodations for exams (other than an exemption from a ban on food and/or electronic devices, if your school imposes one - we didn't). What accommodation could they have given you that would have prevented this from happening? Can you honestly say that that accommodation would not have given you an unfair advantage in the 99.9% of instances when you didn't need it?

This is a good lesson that frequent monitoring and planning is the key to preventing Type 1 from controlling your life. I try to run slightly higher than average BG and avoid eating shortly beforehand if I am going to court or if I am going to be in a situation where I may not be able to test myself/correct an out-of-range BG. I would also invest in a CGM if you can afford it; it's a huge lifesaver in these kinds of situations. As far as law school goes, try to take classes with take home exams if you can. Losing 30-45 minutes there is not nearly as much of an issue as it is in a 3-hour exam.
There is a ton of variance within people who have Type 1 - it is somewhat related to your age when diagnosed. If you're a type 1 Diabetic from birth you're going to have a harder go keeping your blood sugar relative than if you're a type 1 from 20 years old on.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Mr. Archer » Thu May 12, 2016 8:18 pm

HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 8:34 pm

Mr. Archer wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?
if you're still in law school you should learn how to be less of a turd, you turd. You don't know what you're talking about. If you don't know about juvenile diabetes, and how it is treated under the ADA then shut up, and go back to watching .avi's of high horses, stroke yourself like the weird asshole you are, climax and call it a day.

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Post by Mullens » Thu May 12, 2016 9:06 pm

HonestAdvice wrote:
Mr. Archer wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?
if you're still in law school you should learn how to be less of a turd, you turd. You don't know what you're talking about. If you don't know about juvenile diabetes, and how it is treated under the ADA then shut up, and go back to watching .avi's of high horses, stroke yourself like the weird asshole you are, climax and call it a day.
Did you create this account just to give bad, contrarian, and inflammatory advice on TLS? Because that sums up pretty much everything you've posted. If you're gonna do that, at least consider the actual original post.

OP, since it sounds like you had a discussion with the Dean and came to an understanding that you would not need accommodations. For that reason, you're pretty much out of luck on this exam; the school can't really do anything that would fix the situation after the exam has happened. I would take any accommodation you can get for future exams, in case this does happen again. I'm sorry this happened to you, but this is one of the dangers of law school for everyone. Shit happens and you're best to just move forward and not let this affect you on any of your future exams. Are you in your first semester of law school?

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Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 9:11 pm

Mullens wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote:
Mr. Archer wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?
if you're still in law school you should learn how to be less of a turd, you turd. You don't know what you're talking about. If you don't know about juvenile diabetes, and how it is treated under the ADA then shut up, and go back to watching .avi's of high horses, stroke yourself like the weird asshole you are, climax and call it a day.
Did you create this account just to give bad, contrarian, and inflammatory advice on TLS? Because that sums up pretty much everything you've posted. If you're gonna do that, at least consider the actual original post.

OP, since it sounds like you had a discussion with the Dean and came to an understanding that you would not need accommodations. For that reason, you're pretty much out of luck on this exam; the school can't really do anything that would fix the situation after the exam has happened. I would take any accommodation you can get for future exams, in case this does happen again. I'm sorry this happened to you, but this is one of the dangers of law school for everyone. Shit happens and you're best to just move forward and not let this affect you on any of your future exams. Are you in your first semester of law school?
The dean said, "You seem to have it figured out, no need." That's not an understanding. That's a denial of accommodations. Did OP sign anything? Was OP represented by counsel at this meeting? Was OP offered the opportunity to bring counsel? Is there a signed writing of OP's forfeiture of accommodations he'd otherwise be entitled to? Go watch horse porn with your friend you piece of shit.

If you don't know anything about how juvenile diabetes works and is treated you can google it, and look it up or don't, but if you won't post somewhere else, look at porn, convince an 8 year old to come over for a tea, whatever it is that brings you joy, but shut up.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

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Let's go ahead and dial the insults back a tad.

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Post by Desert Fox » Thu May 12, 2016 9:24 pm

HonestAdvice wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:People get sick during exams all teh time. It's just part of the game. Take the accommodations for the next time around. Not much you can really do about the past.

You probaly should have gone to the test proctor when the attack happened. But after the fact, what can they really do now?
You're very ignorant here. You're equivocating sick like you have a cold to sick like you could die if you don't have glucose in your system in 5 minutes. You sound as ridiculous as if you said, high school kids goof around all the time and you compare a kid watching Netflix in math to the Three Guys One Hammer Video. Boys will be boys - some boys watch TV in school, some bulge random passerby's eyes out with screwdrivers.
im talking about the time it takes to correct the problem or the toll it takes on your ability to test. obviously having to throw up isn't as serious a diabeetus, but that's not the issue. In a testing situation the outcome isn't that different. You basically have to stop for a little bit. The solution to both is stopping the test and informing the admin that you are sick/having an issue. Sitting there til the test ends w/o saying anything makes accommodation impossible.

testing accommodations arent a pitty part
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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Mullens » Thu May 12, 2016 9:26 pm

HonestAdvice wrote:
Mullens wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote:
Mr. Archer wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?
if you're still in law school you should learn how to be less of a turd, you turd. You don't know what you're talking about. If you don't know about juvenile diabetes, and how it is treated under the ADA then shut up, and go back to watching .avi's of high horses, stroke yourself like the weird asshole you are, climax and call it a day.
Did you create this account just to give bad, contrarian, and inflammatory advice on TLS? Because that sums up pretty much everything you've posted. If you're gonna do that, at least consider the actual original post.

OP, since it sounds like you had a discussion with the Dean and came to an understanding that you would not need accommodations. For that reason, you're pretty much out of luck on this exam; the school can't really do anything that would fix the situation after the exam has happened. I would take any accommodation you can get for future exams, in case this does happen again. I'm sorry this happened to you, but this is one of the dangers of law school for everyone. Shit happens and you're best to just move forward and not let this affect you on any of your future exams. Are you in your first semester of law school?
The dean said, "You seem to have it figured out, no need." That's not an understanding. That's a denial of accommodations. Did OP sign anything? Was OP represented by counsel at this meeting? Was OP offered the opportunity to bring counsel? Is there a signed writing of OP's forfeiture of accommodations he'd otherwise be entitled to? Go watch horse porn with your friend you piece of shit.

If you don't know anything about how juvenile diabetes works and is treated you can google it, and look it up or don't, but if you won't post somewhere else, look at porn, convince an 8 year old to come over for a tea, whatever it is that brings you joy, but shut up.
Except that's not what the Dean said. We're working with only OP's short summary of the conversation but what was posted was "I am extremely bummed out right now because I have had type 1 diabetes since I was a little kid, and I have had it under control for a very long time, and I talked to my student services dean at the beginning of the semester and she basically told me that if I have it figured out, there's no need for accommodations, and I really didn't think there was any problem." I don't know how you go from that to "You seem to have it figured out, no need" but it definitely involves you wanting to come to a certain conclusion and not actually reading what was posted.

Your advice is not constructive because what could the school even do now? They've already offered accommodations in future exams. Suing the school isn't going to change OP's grade. I do understand how Type I diabetes works. And I understand how law school exam accommodations generally work, which obviously you do not so instead you offer objectively poor advice based on a situation other than OP's and surround it in unnecessary insults. Is this situation unfortunate? Of course. Should OP have had a lawyer present for that meeting with the Dean? Probably not and suing the school now isn't going to do anything.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Desert Fox » Thu May 12, 2016 9:29 pm

What sort of accommodations other than pausing the test if an issue arrises does op even need
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Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 9:33 pm

Mullens wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote:
Mullens wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote:
Mr. Archer wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?
if you're still in law school you should learn how to be less of a turd, you turd. You don't know what you're talking about. If you don't know about juvenile diabetes, and how it is treated under the ADA then shut up, and go back to watching .avi's of high horses, stroke yourself like the weird asshole you are, climax and call it a day.
Did you create this account just to give bad, contrarian, and inflammatory advice on TLS? Because that sums up pretty much everything you've posted. If you're gonna do that, at least consider the actual original post.

OP, since it sounds like you had a discussion with the Dean and came to an understanding that you would not need accommodations. For that reason, you're pretty much out of luck on this exam; the school can't really do anything that would fix the situation after the exam has happened. I would take any accommodation you can get for future exams, in case this does happen again. I'm sorry this happened to you, but this is one of the dangers of law school for everyone. Shit happens and you're best to just move forward and not let this affect you on any of your future exams. Are you in your first semester of law school?
The dean said, "You seem to have it figured out, no need." That's not an understanding. That's a denial of accommodations. Did OP sign anything? Was OP represented by counsel at this meeting? Was OP offered the opportunity to bring counsel? Is there a signed writing of OP's forfeiture of accommodations he'd otherwise be entitled to? Go watch horse porn with your friend you piece of shit.

If you don't know anything about how juvenile diabetes works and is treated you can google it, and look it up or don't, but if you won't post somewhere else, look at porn, convince an 8 year old to come over for a tea, whatever it is that brings you joy, but shut up.
Except that's not what the Dean said. We're working with only OP's short summary of the conversation but what was posted was "I am extremely bummed out right now because I have had type 1 diabetes since I was a little kid, and I have had it under control for a very long time, and I talked to my student services dean at the beginning of the semester and she basically told me that if I have it figured out, there's no need for accommodations, and I really didn't think there was any problem." I don't know how you go from that to "You seem to have it figured out, no need" but it definitely involves you wanting to come to a certain conclusion and not actually reading what was posted.

Your advice is not constructive because what could the school even do now? They've already offered accommodations in future exams. Suing the school isn't going to change OP's grade. I do understand how Type I diabetes works. And I understand how law school exam accommodations generally work, which obviously you do not so instead you offer objectively poor advice based on a situation other than OP's and surround it in unnecessary insults. Is this situation unfortunate? Of course. Should OP have had a lawyer present for that meeting with the Dean? Probably not and suing the school now isn't going to do anything.
oh my god, if i had to have an entire meal with you i'd kill myself. The moment OP brought it up the dean should have looked into it. It sounds like the dean asked him if he can handle his diabetes, and all these kids are conditioned to say yes for their confidence and to fit in, but schools always have their nursing staff of who is a juvenile diabetic because there's a good chance they will have at least one seizure over a few years. These aren't epileptic seizures. They're hypoglycemic induced seizures it's not 95% that the person comes back. The dean should have contacted a doctor or referred him to a doctor for an opinion ASAP. What your thick head isn't realizing is this wasn't a once in a million thing. The school should count their blessings OP isn't dead because of this idiot dean. There's no, well yeah, we have an understanding you have a disease that by law entitles you to accommodations but eh, you got it though. It sounds like this is just a lazy dean of students biding their time till retirement that was completely reckless.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by PeanutsNJam » Thu May 12, 2016 9:36 pm

What accommodations would have been appropriate?

Black students don't need accommodations for being black. How is that analogy even remotely appropriate.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 9:38 pm

Desert Fox wrote:What sort of accommodations other than pausing the test if an issue arrises does op even need
1.) They need to have some kind of call system in place with the medical staff so that if OP had a serious medical issue like this - again you can die from one bad low - you want to be able to have responders immediately know what's up. That's one. Really the school is luck OP didn't get hurt. Stress could fuck up a diabetic's blood sugar such that the blood sugar is impossible to predict. OP really should have been having a special plan laid out months ago, which it seems he attempted to do before he was told, "You got, it chief. Now get out. Minesweeper."

(2) Any rules regarding food should not apply to OP.

(3) I'd even say he should have a separate room, because if he has to take blood to see his blood sugar, it's probably a little embarrassing for him, and during a test, do you really want your neighbor to be pouring blood out next to you? Most juvenile diabetics have to take a blood reading at least once every 2 hours. My bet is he was embarrassed so he didn't take them on any of his exams, because he didn't have a private room and didn't want a 100 people to watch stick a needle in his arm mid-exam and be "that guy."

(4) In addition, it's not that the test should stop when the sugar is low, it's that should stop until OP's blood sugar is back functioning at a regular level.

These are not crazy accommodations. At my school if you had ADD, you got time and a half, and we were all pissed about that. This here is a joke. There were medical procedures that should have been in place, and it sounds like you just had a lazy dean who knew nothing about juvenile diabetes who basically strongwilled a nervous 1L out of his office, and never consulted with any medical personnel or anything. Bare in mind, this dean's role is to ensure students are treated fairly - that's his whole job. He didn't even call a doctor, ask for records, nothing. Just, "Oh, you got it. Get out of my office." And now these idiots want to use the fact OP walked out of the office as proof OP signed a knowing contract. That's why I said they are retarded.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Desert Fox » Thu May 12, 2016 9:43 pm

HonestAdvice wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:What sort of accommodations other than pausing the test if an issue arrises does op even need
They need to have some kind of call system in place with the medical staff so that if OP had a serious medical issue like this - again you can from one crazy bad low - you want to be able to have responders immediately know what's up. That's one. Really the school is luck OP didn't get hurt.

Aside from that, any rules regarding food should not apply to OP. I'd even say he should have a separate room, because if he has to take blood to see his blood sugar, it's probably a little embarrassing for him, and during a test, do you really want your neighbor to be pouring blood out next to you?

In addition, it's not that the test should stop when the sugar is low, it's that should stop until OP's blood sugar is back functioning at a regular level.

These are not crazy accommodations. At my school if you had ADD, you got time and a half, and we were all pissed about that. This here is a joke. There were medical procedures that should have been in place, and it sounds like you just had a lazy dean who knew nothing about juvenile diabetes who basically strongwilled a nervous 1L out of his office, and never consulted with any medical personnel or anything. Bare in mind, this dean's role is to ensure students are treated fairly - that's his whole job. He didn't even call a doctor, ask for records, nothing. Just, "Oh, you got it. Get out of my office." And now these idiots want to use the fact OP walked out of the office as proof OP signed a knowing contract. That's why I said they are retarded.
1) diabetics typically dont need a medical staff on hand. They can manage their own insulin. This is an adult not a 6 year old.

Is your experience with this elementary school or something?

My brother is literally quadriplegic and he didn't need a medical team to take his cpa exam.

2) op not having his own room didn't cause this issue.

u sound retarded.
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