Help with future interests problem! Forum
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Help with future interests problem!
"O to A for life, then to B and C, but if B does not graduate from medical school, to C."
What is B's interest? Does B have a vested remainder or contingent remainder?
Thanks!
What is B's interest? Does B have a vested remainder or contingent remainder?
Thanks!
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Re: Help with future interests problem!
Vested. Look to what is inside the granting clause.
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Isn't it contingent? If they don't graduate, they don't get the interest?
Other person has a vested interest subject to open (they can lose 1/2)
Other person has a vested interest subject to open (they can lose 1/2)
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B's interest is not subject to a condition precedent, it's subject to a condition subsequent.
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oh i misread it.... but u wouldnt just call it vested right?Witt wrote:B's interest is not subject to a condition precedent, it's subject to a condition subsequent.
it's a vested interest subject to condition subsequent with the possibility of reversion to C?.... but technically it can't revert till after B dies then. B's heirs have a contingent interest.
what happens if B dies with no degree but C's already dead as well.... does it go to C's heirs or revert back to A?
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Re: Help with future interests problem!
Ahh that makes sense. So would B have a vested remainder subject to total divestment?
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i think it's subject to condition subsequent.Nick18 wrote:Ahh that makes sense. So would B have a vested remainder subject to total divestment?
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may be wrong.
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TTCRJsa725 wrote:huh?
A = Life Estate
B/C =vested remainder in FS subject to cond'n subsq.
C= Executory Interest in FSA
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yep....joetheplumber wrote:TTCRJsa725 wrote:huh?
A = Life Estate
B/C =vested remainder in FS subject to cond'n subsq.
C= Executory Interest in FSA
tho technically speaking B gets at least a life estate unless they pass a law - "can't get degree past age...."
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and what would be an example of subject to a total divestment, with OP's example?
I don't understand how
FS subject to CS is diff from FS subject to TD.
I don't understand how
FS subject to CS is diff from FS subject to TD.
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FS subject to a CS is a present possessory interest in land. The interest can be cut short. Technically, if the interest is a FSSCS, the correlative future interest is carved out by the grantor, and it is called a right of entry. (if the Future interested is created in a transferor, the defeasible fee is called a FS subject to executory limitation -- but even with these defeasible fees, professors/academics/opinions will typically describe the FS subject to executory limitation in further detail as either a FS determinable (so long as....) or FS subject to condition subsequent (but if...) -- EVEN THOUGH FSD and FSSCS only technically refer to defeasible estates which carve out a future interest in the grantor (NOT A TRANSFEREE)peeonyou wrote:and what would be an example of subject to a total divestment, with OP's example?
I don't understand how
FS subject to CS is diff from FS subject to TD.
FS subject to total divestment is a FUTURE INTEREST. It describes a defeasible future interest. FS subject to total divestment includes all types of defeasbile fees. It is just a general way of saying "A" has a future interest in this land, but something could happen which would cut it short, or DE-FEE, or divest the estate before it was naturally supposed to end.
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At the time of the conveyance, A has a life estate, B has a vested remainder subject to complete defeasance, and C has an indefeasibly vested remainder.Nick18 wrote:"O to A for life, then to B and C, but if B does not graduate from medical school, to C."
What is B's interest? Does B have a vested remainder or contingent remainder?
Thanks!
Right?
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Sike -- Musicfor18 has it, except I think C has an executory interest...
I'm pretty sure I am right.
A = LE
B = vested remainder subject to complete defeasance
C = executory limitation/interest
I'm pretty sure I am right.
A = LE
B = vested remainder subject to complete defeasance
C = executory limitation/interest
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Well, C's interest would definitely be an executory interest if it weren't for the fact that the first remainder is in B and C. So, I guess B and C's remainder is as tenants in common? And then, if B doesn't graduate, then C will be the sole possessor.
I'm not sure how this is expressed. Maybe C has both a vested remainder and an executory interest?
I'm not sure how this is expressed. Maybe C has both a vested remainder and an executory interest?
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I did think that was weird too, I know my prof. never used a hypo/example with the "and C" like that, but I learned whenever something/someone cuts off another interest or cuts short, its termed as an executory interest. C definitely cuts off B in this example in some way, shape or form... but duly noted on the TC point. Can you have a vested remainder AND an executory interest?musicfor18 wrote:Well, C's interest would definitely be an executory interest if it weren't for the fact that the first remainder is in B and C. So, I guess B and C's remainder is as tenants in common? And then, if B doesn't graduate, then C will be the sole possessor.
I'm not sure how this is expressed. Maybe C has both a vested remainder and an executory interest?
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B's interest is vested subject to divestment. A vested interest like that goes hand in hand with an executory interest on C's part normally. HOWEVER, here C's interest is already vested. C has a fee simple in 1/2 of the property. B's interest is already vested because the divesting clause occurs after the comma. If the condition for vesting is included in the grant it is a contingent interest.
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any future interest/rap hypos out there? with answers..
i'm assuming they're all the same in every school
i'm assuming they're all the same in every school
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