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Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by joetheplumber » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:53 pm

So our class is split into sections. Are rankings based on the entire class, or just our section?

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Post by tedalbany » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:56 pm

joetheplumber wrote:So our class is split into sections. Are rankings based on the entire class, or just our section?
class, but you'll be competing against your section

i.e. top 15% refers to top 15% out of the overall class, but everyone in the section is ranked against each other for purposes of the exam curve-

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by sambeber » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:09 am

tedalbany wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:So our class is split into sections. Are rankings based on the entire class, or just our section?
class, but you'll be competing against your section

i.e. top 15% refers to top 15% out of the overall class, but everyone in the section is ranked against each other for purposes of the exam curve-
Yeah... that's not necessarily true.

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by tedalbany » Fri Aug 03, 2012 12:11 am

sambeber wrote:
tedalbany wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:So our class is split into sections. Are rankings based on the entire class, or just our section?
class, but you'll be competing against your section

i.e. top 15% refers to top 15% out of the overall class, but everyone in the section is ranked against each other for purposes of the exam curve-
Yeah... that's not necessarily true.
can vary by school, but I haven't heard of any different systems. Except wherever you go, apparently.

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by kalvano » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:45 pm

tedalbany wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:So our class is split into sections. Are rankings based on the entire class, or just our section?
class, but you'll be competing against your section

i.e. top 15% refers to top 15% out of the overall class, but everyone in the section is ranked against each other for purposes of the exam curve-
My school compares the entire class for curve purposes.

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by tedalbany » Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:49 pm

kalvano wrote:
tedalbany wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:So our class is split into sections. Are rankings based on the entire class, or just our section?
class, but you'll be competing against your section

i.e. top 15% refers to top 15% out of the overall class, but everyone in the section is ranked against each other for purposes of the exam curve-
My school compares the entire class for curve purposes.
On each exam? Like all profs just submit a # and the school curves it all? Weird

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by kalvano » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:13 pm

tedalbany wrote:
kalvano wrote:
tedalbany wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:So our class is split into sections. Are rankings based on the entire class, or just our section?
class, but you'll be competing against your section

i.e. top 15% refers to top 15% out of the overall class, but everyone in the section is ranked against each other for purposes of the exam curve-
My school compares the entire class for curve purposes.
On each exam? Like all profs just submit a # and the school curves it all? Weird
The prof grades the exams for his class, and then compares it to the grade in the other section for curve purposes.

This is all 1L, no sections after that, so everyone is taking the same classes, just with different professors.

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by BarbellDreams » Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:17 pm

For overall class ranking its by class but for grading on to journals my school has it by small LWR section so everyone is evenly matched (3 people per small writing section are roughly top 10%).

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by joetheplumber » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:53 pm

I'm still confused. What if one professor is harder than another professor. Wouldn't it make curve almost impossible if it is the whole class?

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by kalvano » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:49 pm

joetheplumber wrote:I'm still confused. What if one professor is harder than another professor. Wouldn't it make curve almost impossible if it is the whole class?
How? That's your tough luck for drawing that prof. Still the same class.

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by LockBox » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:15 pm

So are the exams the same across sections? Or does each professor have their own exams?

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by sambeber » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:20 pm

tedalbany wrote:
sambeber wrote:
tedalbany wrote:
joetheplumber wrote:So our class is split into sections. Are rankings based on the entire class, or just our section?
class, but you'll be competing against your section

i.e. top 15% refers to top 15% out of the overall class, but everyone in the section is ranked against each other for purposes of the exam curve-
Yeah... that's not necessarily true.
can vary by school, but I haven't heard of any different systems. Except wherever you go, apparently.
Yep. Separate section-by-section cutoffs at Georgetown, so you only know where you stand relative to your section.

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/campus-se ... 1-2012.cfm

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by kalvano » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:21 pm

LockBox wrote:So are the exams the same across sections? Or does each professor have their own exams?
They each have their own here.

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by applesoranges123 » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:09 pm

Yep. Separate section-by-section cutoffs at Georgetown, so you only know where you stand relative to your section.

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/campus-se ... 1-2012.cfm
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I don't know if this is really obvious or something lol, but why does Gtown have different GPA cut-offs for top 10%/15/etc for each section?? I would presume that each section is about the same size, and all the sections are taking classes of the same level of difficulty...

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by sambeber » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:19 pm

applesoranges123 wrote:
Yep. Separate section-by-section cutoffs at Georgetown, so you only know where you stand relative to your section.

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/campus-se ... 1-2012.cfm
I don't know if this is really obvious or something lol, but why does Gtown have different GPA cut-offs for top 10%/15/etc for each section?? I would presume that each section is about the same size, and all the sections are taking classes of the same level of difficulty...[/quote]

Because there is an some wiggle room in the curve, i.e., 10-12% A's, 22-25% A-, etc. In addition, in some sections, 10 individuals may get all the A's, thus making the cutoffs different.

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Re: Is ranking based on class or sections

Post by ninereal » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:03 pm

sambeber wrote:
applesoranges123 wrote:
Yep. Separate section-by-section cutoffs at Georgetown, so you only know where you stand relative to your section.

http://www.law.georgetown.edu/campus-se ... 1-2012.cfm
I don't know if this is really obvious or something lol, but why does Gtown have different GPA cut-offs for top 10%/15/etc for each section?? I would presume that each section is about the same size, and all the sections are taking classes of the same level of difficulty...
Because there is an some wiggle room in the curve, i.e., 10-12% A's, 22-25% A-, etc. In addition, in some sections, 10 individuals may get all the A's, thus making the cutoffs different.[/quote]

Second semester elective can also change the numbers a bit because all the sections are mashed together for that one.

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