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halfpancake

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1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
My first semester at law school, I--like most--worked/studied harder than I had ever done before. I read all the assigned readings carefully, went to all of my classes, turned to supplements when I thought I needed it, and took practice tests with a study group in advance of finals. When I got back my grades, I--once again, like most--was disappointed: B, B, B+. As a student who had straight-As in high school, and a >3.8 in college, it was a huge blow to receive such average (or perhaps below average) grades--especially since I tried so hard.
Despite my performance, I felt I had done everything correctly. So, despite the niggling feeling that it was for naught, I went into my second semester prepared to try just as hard. And I did. I essentially replicated my study habits from first semester, though I had the benefit of learning from mistakes the first time around. When grades came around, they turned out to be great: A, A, A-.
I wanted to relate this story to those who are feeling hopeless after their performance first semester. You're not destined to receive the same grades your second time around--you can improve!
I know you'll want to know how I was able to turn my grades around. Like I said, I basically replicated my studying style from first semester, so it's hard to pin down exactly what changed. Two things come to mind: 1) know what your professor is looking for--if you have model (student-created) answers, try to replicate the style (the organization especially) of the model answers. If you don't have model answers, I suggest thinking about your professor's teaching style, seeing how they think, and attempt to emulate the teacher's style of analysis in your answer. 2) Really hit the obvious issues. I think I thought you were supposed to hit all of the minor issues and explain their intricacies too. While it's a plus if you do, focus your fire on the issues that the professor wants you to focus on. Don't get stuck on minor details--give them only as much attention as they deserve, and dispose of them quickly.
Anyway, the point of this post was to give a bit of hope to those who tried hard yet didn't perform as well as they would have liked. I hope it did that!
Despite my performance, I felt I had done everything correctly. So, despite the niggling feeling that it was for naught, I went into my second semester prepared to try just as hard. And I did. I essentially replicated my study habits from first semester, though I had the benefit of learning from mistakes the first time around. When grades came around, they turned out to be great: A, A, A-.
I wanted to relate this story to those who are feeling hopeless after their performance first semester. You're not destined to receive the same grades your second time around--you can improve!
I know you'll want to know how I was able to turn my grades around. Like I said, I basically replicated my studying style from first semester, so it's hard to pin down exactly what changed. Two things come to mind: 1) know what your professor is looking for--if you have model (student-created) answers, try to replicate the style (the organization especially) of the model answers. If you don't have model answers, I suggest thinking about your professor's teaching style, seeing how they think, and attempt to emulate the teacher's style of analysis in your answer. 2) Really hit the obvious issues. I think I thought you were supposed to hit all of the minor issues and explain their intricacies too. While it's a plus if you do, focus your fire on the issues that the professor wants you to focus on. Don't get stuck on minor details--give them only as much attention as they deserve, and dispose of them quickly.
Anyway, the point of this post was to give a bit of hope to those who tried hard yet didn't perform as well as they would have liked. I hope it did that!
- DoubleChecks

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
wow nice post. the beginning really had me worrying again, like aw another scare story lol, but it turned around quickly. great post -- if my grades are horrible (find out next week), ill be sure to come back to this post to reinspire me haha.halfpancake wrote:My first semester at law school, I--like most--worked/studied harder than I had ever done before. I read all the assigned readings carefully, went to all of my classes, turned to supplements when I thought I needed it, and took practice tests with a study group in advance of finals. When I got back my grades, I--once again, like most--was disappointed: B, B, B+. As a student who had straight-As in high school, and a >3.8 in college, it was a huge blow to receive such average (or perhaps below average) grades--especially since I tried so hard.
Despite my performance, I felt I had done everything correctly. So, despite the niggling feeling that it was for naught, I went into my second semester prepared to try just as hard. And I did. I essentially replicated my study habits from first semester, though I had the benefit of learning from mistakes the first time around. When grades came around, they turned out to be great: A, A, A-.
I wanted to relate this story to those who are feeling hopeless after their performance first semester. You're not destined to receive the same grades your second time around--you can improve!
I know you'll want to know how I was able to turn my grades around. Like I said, I basically replicated my studying style from first semester, so it's hard to pin down exactly what changed. Two things come to mind: 1) know what your professor is looking for--if you have model (student-created) answers, try to replicate the style (the organization especially) of the model answers. If you don't have model answers, I suggest thinking about your professor's teaching style, seeing how they think, and attempt to emulate the teacher's style of analysis in your answer. 2) Really hit the obvious issues. I think I thought you were supposed to hit all of the minor issues and explain their intricacies too. While it's a plus if you do, focus your fire on the issues that the professor wants you to focus on. Don't get stuck on minor details--give them only as much attention as they deserve, and dispose of them quickly.
Anyway, the point of this post was to give a bit of hope to those who tried hard yet didn't perform as well as they would have liked. I hope it did that!
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abudaba

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
+1halfpancake wrote: 2) Really hit the obvious issues. I think I thought you were supposed to hit all of the minor issues and explain their intricacies too. While it's a plus if you do, focus your fire on the issues that the professor wants you to focus on. Don't get stuck on minor details--give them only as much attention as they deserve, and dispose of them quickly.
this cost me the first go around - so, so, so hard yet necessary to perfect imo
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dakatz

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
I wish I knew this when I took my first set of exams. I'm not complaining about my performance, but it certainly seems like I took the long way around in certain areas. For example, on torts we had to analyze how a duty might have been created. I saw about 4 or 5 plausible ways, with one far better than the rest. But I figured I would list them all to show that I comprehend all the duty analysis we did. I got points only for the first one, and wasn't given a single point for the rest. Prof said I should have just said the first one then moved on. That was a good 20 minutes of typing I could have put to better use, and didn't get a single point out of.abudaba wrote:+1halfpancake wrote: 2) Really hit the obvious issues. I think I thought you were supposed to hit all of the minor issues and explain their intricacies too. While it's a plus if you do, focus your fire on the issues that the professor wants you to focus on. Don't get stuck on minor details--give them only as much attention as they deserve, and dispose of them quickly.
this cost me the first go around - so, so, so hard yet necessary to perfect imo
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beach_terror

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
Good post, and motivating for someone who needs a .3ish gpa increase to make LR next semester.
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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
FTFYhalfpancake wrote:My first semester at law school, I--like most--worked/studied harder than I had ever done before. I read all the assigned readings carefully, went to all of my classes, turned to supplements when I thought I needed it, and took practice tests with a study group in advance of finals. When I got back my grades, I--once again, like most--was disappointed: B, B, B+. As a student who had straight-As in high school, and a >3.8 in college, it was a huge blow to receive such average (or perhaps below average) grades--especially since I tried so hard.
Despite my performance, I felt I had done everything correctly. So, despite the niggling feeling that it was for naught, I went into my second semester prepared to try just as hard. And I did. I essentially replicated my study habits from first semester, though I had the benefit of learning from mistakes the first time around. When grades came around, they turned out to be great: A, A, A-.
I wanted to relate this story to those who are feeling hopeless after their performance first semester. You're not destined to receive the same grades your second time around--you can improve! ALSO, I WANTED TO BRAG ABOUT MY AMAZING GRADES
I know you'll want to know how I was able to turn my grades around. Like I said, I basically replicated my studying style from first semester, so it's hard to pin down exactly what changed. Two things come to mind: 1) know what your professor is looking for--if you have model (student-created) answers, try to replicate the style (the organization especially) of the model answers. If you don't have model answers, I suggest thinking about your professor's teaching style, seeing how they think, and attempt to emulate the teacher's style of analysis in your answer. 2) Really hit the obvious issues. I think I thought you were supposed to hit all of the minor issues and explain their intricacies too. While it's a plus if you do, focus your fire on the issues that the professor wants you to focus on. Don't get stuck on minor details--give them only as much attention as they deserve, and dispose of them quickly.
Anyway, the point of this post was to give a bit of hope to those who tried hard yet didn't perform as well as they would have liked. I hope it did that!
In all seriousness though, good job! That is very inspiring to hear! made me feel a lil better during my saturday night study sesh
- Helmholtz

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
halfpancake wrote:My first semester at law school, I--like most--worked/studied harder than I had ever done before. I read all the assigned readings carefully, went to all of my classes, turned to supplements when I thought I needed it, and took practice tests with a study group in advance of finals. When I got back my grades, I--once again, like most--was disappointed: B, B, B+. As a student who had straight-As in high school, and a >3.8 in college, it was a huge blow to receive such average (or perhaps below average) grades--especially since I tried so hard.
Despite my performance, I felt I had done everything correctly. So, despite the niggling feeling that it was for naught, I went into my second semester prepared to try just as hard. And I did. I essentially replicated my study habits from first semester, though I had the benefit of learning from mistakes the first time around. When grades came around, they turned out to be great: A, A, A-.
I wanted to relate this story to those who are feeling hopeless after their performance first semester. You're not destined to receive the same grades your second time around--you can improve!
I know you'll want to know how I was able to turn my grades around. Like I said, I basically replicated my studying style from first semester, so it's hard to pin down exactly what changed. Two things come to mind: 1) know what your professor is looking for--if you have model (student-created) answers, try to replicate the style (the organization especially) of the model answers. If you don't have model answers, I suggest thinking about your professor's teaching style, seeing how they think, and attempt to emulate the teacher's style of analysis in your answer. 2) Really hit the obvious issues. I think I thought you were supposed to hit all of the minor issues and explain their intricacies too. While it's a plus if you do, focus your fire on the issues that the professor wants you to focus on. Don't get stuck on minor details--give them only as much attention as they deserve, and dispose of them quickly.
Anyway, the point of this post was to give a bit of hope to those who tried hard yet didn't perform as well as they would have liked. I hope it did that!

- kalvano

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
This is basically the position I am in. I'm not screwed, but I'm close enough to being quite respectable that I'm a little disappointed in myself. However, I know what I did wrong and what I missed on exams, and I know what to focus on come the last part of the semester. If I can turn one - into a +, keep an A, and take one more from a B to a B+, I should be good.
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katjust

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
As long as we are trying to encourage people maybe my story will help a little too. The curve at my school is 3.0
I wasn't really disappointed with my first semester grades during 1L, but I did improve quite a bit in second semester.
First semester I received B, B+, A
Second semester I received, B, A, A, A+
I was just aiming to be top 25% (which my first sem. grades would have been good for if I'd replicated them), but I ended up in top 10%. I didn't really change my studying habits, I just learned how to do the exams better I think./
I wasn't really disappointed with my first semester grades during 1L, but I did improve quite a bit in second semester.
First semester I received B, B+, A
Second semester I received, B, A, A, A+
I was just aiming to be top 25% (which my first sem. grades would have been good for if I'd replicated them), but I ended up in top 10%. I didn't really change my studying habits, I just learned how to do the exams better I think./
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Eco

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
The untold story of this post: Getting straight Bs= 3.0 or less. Getting As next semester= you won't raise your GPA high enough to get a decent job.
- kalvano

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
katjust wrote:I didn't really change my studying habits, I just learned how to do the exams better I think./
That's the key, I think.
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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
There's always one.Eco wrote:The untold story of this post: Getting straight Bs= 3.0 or less. Getting As next semester= you won't raise your GPA high enough to get a decent job.
- Helmholtz

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QFGeorgeWashingtonStudentEco wrote:The untold story of this post: Getting straight Bs= 3.0 or less. Getting As next semester= you won't raise your GPA high enough to get a decent job.
nice edit, Rand (hah)
- California Babe

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
This is absurd.Eco wrote:The untold story of this post: Getting straight Bs= 3.0 or less. Getting As next semester= you won't raise your GPA high enough to get a decent job.
- Rand M.

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
It felt too harsh for someone who may have just been referring to their own prospects.Helmholtz wrote:QFGeorgeWashingtonStudentEco wrote:The untold story of this post: Getting straight Bs= 3.0 or less. Getting As next semester= you won't raise your GPA high enough to get a decent job.
nice edit, Rand (hah)
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This.California Babe wrote:This is absurd.Eco wrote:The untold story of this post: Getting straight Bs= 3.0 or less. Getting As next semester= you won't raise your GPA high enough to get a decent job.
First semester GPA = 3.1.
Second semester GPA = 3.9
Cumulative GPA = 3.5.
Definitely competitive for biglaw at my school. We don't rank, but that's probably just outside top 20%.
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Eco

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It's just the reality of the math + economy. lol
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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
Focusing on exams and what the prof wants from the beginning of the sem. is crucial.
Fall of 1L I took notes on every CB reading, read like 2 supplements for each class, and worked pretty much all day every day.I did okay (~ 3.5, so about top 20-25%).
In spring I cut WAYYY back on supplements (only used E&E for Torts, and then just for the questions) and focused almost entirely on class notes and old exams. I also quit taking notes on casebook readings, and just read them so they could inform the class discussion (which is when you get the good stuff: i.e., what the prof. wants on the exam). Ended up with a 3.8 (top 5% or so).
Now I just take class notes, review old exams and skip CB readings entirely (haven't touched a supp. since 1L). My grades have gone up since I started focusing entirely on exams and the profs opinion on waht the law is.
THE keys to good grades is giving your prof: 1) their opinion on the law in; 2) their own terminology/phrasing.
Fall of 1L I took notes on every CB reading, read like 2 supplements for each class, and worked pretty much all day every day.I did okay (~ 3.5, so about top 20-25%).
In spring I cut WAYYY back on supplements (only used E&E for Torts, and then just for the questions) and focused almost entirely on class notes and old exams. I also quit taking notes on casebook readings, and just read them so they could inform the class discussion (which is when you get the good stuff: i.e., what the prof. wants on the exam). Ended up with a 3.8 (top 5% or so).
Now I just take class notes, review old exams and skip CB readings entirely (haven't touched a supp. since 1L). My grades have gone up since I started focusing entirely on exams and the profs opinion on waht the law is.
THE keys to good grades is giving your prof: 1) their opinion on the law in; 2) their own terminology/phrasing.
- Rand M.

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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
Not at NYU, which is where the OP goes. "lol"Eco wrote:It's just the reality of the math + economy. lol
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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
Unfortunately your improvement is going to come at the expense of someone elses, that's just the nature of the law school game.
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+1Rand M. wrote:Not at NYU, which is where the OP goes. "lol"Eco wrote:It's just the reality of the math + economy. lol
I'm pretty sure straight B's followed by straight A's would equal something like top third. Pretty sure only being top third at a school like NYU isn't going to doom anybody's chances at a decent job.
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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
tbf straight b's followed by magically fixing your shit and getting straight A's is like 10,000:1. Of course it's possible, but it's not going to happen.
- Helmholtz

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Do you know who that sonofabitch was who improved at your dreadful expense?MTal wrote:Unfortunately your improvement is going to come at the expense of someone elses, that's just the nature of the law school game.
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Re: 1Ls Dissapointed with Their Grades: Words of Encouragement
OP, thanks for your words of encouragement. It really helps to know all is not lost if I'm willing to pinpoint where I messed up and adjust.