Putting the Gunner to Bed Forum

[Fark-o-vision]

Strolling around this place is an exercise is "cool", and I can't tell if that is a product of of the youth of the board, or if it relates back to the legal profession as a whole. There is a stigma against working hard, against pressing the advantage, and against going all on when you have the chance. For instance, I typically have four hours a day down time, most of which bores me to no end (I have a young child at home sleeping, so going out isn't an option). My interest in the law is beyond the paycheck, is truly academic in nature, and I don't see the problem with spending an hour or two a night going through hornbooks, or E&E's, or casebooks even. This idea that I'm trying to gain an advantage is absurd. I'm interested, and I've been made aware of the channels through which I can teach myself. As a part-time instructor, I can tell you that this attitude is expected from the elite students.

Really, then, is the Gunner gloss necessary? Or, is it simply a way to blast those students who have legitimate interest in the law, and scholarship, who would rather read a hornbook for two hours than watch Seinfeld reruns on TBS? Who would rather stay in three nights a week than go drinking with friends? If the interest is legitimate, what's the problem? Many of use spend more time than that on TLS blasting posts like this, so I don't see the harm.

Am I missing something?

Open fire.

[A'nold]

Strolling around this place is an exercise is "cool", and I can't tell if that is a product of of the youth of the board, or if it relates back to the legal profession as a whole. There is a stigma against working hard, against pressing the advantage, and against going all on when you have the chance. For instance, I typically have four hours a day down time, most of which bores me to no end (I have a young child at home sleeping, so going out isn't an option). My interest in the law is beyond the paycheck, is truly academic in nature, and I don't see the problem with spending an hour or two a night going through hornbooks, or E&E's, or casebooks even. This idea that I'm trying to gain an advantage is absurd. I'm interested, and I've been made aware of the channels through which I can teach myself. As a part-time instructor, I can tell you that this attitude is expected from the elite students.

Really, then, is the Gunner gloss necessary? Or, is it simply a way to blast those students who have legitimate interest in the law, and scholarship, who would rather read a hornbook for two hours than watch Seinfeld reruns on TBS? Who would rather stay in three nights a week than go drinking with friends? If the interest is legitimate, what's the problem? Many of use spend more time than that on TLS blasting posts like this, so I don't see the harm.

Am I missing something?

Open fire.

Yeah, you're missing everything, so, I guess, you'll make a good gunner after all.

For the bazillionth time, gunner /=/ hard worker. Gunner = social mutant that thinks he is smart but is not and makes you cringe to even hear their voice.

Oh, and btw, you are trying to gain an advantage, just be real about it.

Edit: a very disappointing read after I read the title. I thought this would be about somebody hooking up with a gunner and getting to read about it.

[PSLaplace]

There is a stigma against working hard, against pressing the advantage, and against going all on when you have the chance...I don't see the problem with spending an hour or two a night going through hornbooks, or E&E's, or casebooks even. This idea that I'm trying to gain an advantage is absurd.

Wait - so are you characterizing yourself as pressing the advantage or not?

I don't think anyone thinks there's anything wrong with studying diligently or seeking advice on law school/supplements/exam-taking/etc. Hell - what do you think led the vast majority of this forum's users here?

Gunners are the obnoxious and usually clueless sycophants who unnerve the class (and usually the professor) with inane and/or disruptive comments or questions. The ones that aren't clueless are still obnoxious sycophants who will jump on every opportunity to answer a question (and sometimes will do so without being asked), especially when they get to disparage another student's answer in the process.

When it comes to gunners, you'll know it when you see it.

[A'nold]

There is a stigma against working hard, against pressing the advantage, and against going all on when you have the chance...I don't see the problem with spending an hour or two a night going through hornbooks, or E&E's, or casebooks even. This idea that I'm trying to gain an advantage is absurd.

Wait - so are you characterizing yourself as pressing the advantage or not?

I don't think anyone thinks there's anything wrong with studying diligently or seeking advice on law school/supplements/exam-taking/etc. Hell - what do you think led the vast majority of this forum's users here?

Gunners are the obnoxious and usually clueless sycophants who unnerve the class (and usually the professor) with inane and/or disruptive comments or questions. The ones that aren't clueless are still obnoxious sycophants who will jump on every opportunity to answer a question (and sometimes will do so without being asked), especially when they get to disparage another student's answer in the process.

When it comes to gunners, you'll know it when you see it.

Just like porn.

[Fark-o-vision]

I'm only suggesting that this seems like a populations simple way to disenfranchise a population committed to the study of law. So often the suggestion seems to be that "gunners" are people who have a real interest in the law beyond what the classroom covers. To be sure, there must be some of both, but I don't see the harm in an individual expression honest and intuitive interest in the subject matter. My example, to use a formula presented already, would be:

Earnest student /=/ social parasite.

Certainly those exist, but what of it? They'll be identified, ignored, and pushed the margin in the way they always have. The reactive fear to the "gunner" on this website indicates a primordial sort of bias.

[stad2234]

There is a stigma against working hard, against pressing the advantage, and against going all on when you have the chance...I don't see the problem with spending an hour or two a night going through hornbooks, or E&E's, or casebooks even. This idea that I'm trying to gain an advantage is absurd.

Wait - so are you characterizing yourself as pressing the advantage or not?

I don't think anyone thinks there's anything wrong with studying diligently or seeking advice on law school/supplements/exam-taking/etc. Hell - what do you think led the vast majority of this forum's users here?

Gunners are the obnoxious and usually clueless sycophants who unnerve the class (and usually the professor) with inane and/or disruptive comments or questions. The ones that aren't clueless are still obnoxious sycophants who will jump on every opportunity to answer a question (and sometimes will do so without being asked), especially when they get to disparage another student's answer in the process.

When it comes to gunners, you'll know it when you see it.

Just like porn.

haha...nice law student joke there

[Cavalier]

"Gunner" is defined in a lot of different ways. Sometimes it's simply used to describe someone who works really hard. Other times it's used to describe someone who works really hard and it determined to let everyone in the class know how hard he is working in order to be a douche bag. Don't be the latter type.

[prezidentv8]

"Gunner" is defined in a lot of different ways. Sometimes it's simply used to describe someone who works really hard. Other times it's used to describe someone who works really hard and it determined to let everyone in the class know how hard he is working in order to be a douche bag. Don't be the latter type.

Furthermore ask only non-inane questions.

[Cosmo Kramer]

Strolling around this place is an exercise is "cool", and I can't tell if that is a product of of the youth of the board, or if it relates back to the legal profession as a whole. There is a stigma against working hard, against pressing the advantage, and against going all on when you have the chance. For instance, I typically have four hours a day down time, most of which bores me to no end (I have a young child at home sleeping, so going out isn't an option). My interest in the law is beyond the paycheck, is truly academic in nature, and I don't see the problem with spending an hour or two a night going through hornbooks, or E&E's, or casebooks even. This idea that I'm trying to gain an advantage is absurd. I'm interested, and I've been made aware of the channels through which I can teach myself. As a part-time instructor, I can tell you that this attitude is expected from the elite students.

Really, then, is the Gunner gloss necessary? Or, is it simply a way to blast those students who have legitimate interest in the law, and scholarship, who would rather read a hornbook for two hours than watch Seinfeld reruns on TBS? Who would rather stay in three nights a week than go drinking with friends? If the interest is legitimate, what's the problem? Many of use spend more time than that on TLS blasting posts like this, so I don't see the harm.

Am I missing something?

Open fire.

How dare you.

[chango]

a very disappointing read after I read the title. I thought this would be about somebody hooking up with a gunner and getting to read about it.

I know, right? I was hoping it was some gossip about Jerry O'Connell.

[ChewbaccaDefense]

I'll weigh in on this because the whole gunner thing surprised me a bit when I first heard about it. I think part of the gunner perception has to do with a maturity component.

I've worked in some tough industries and very competitive environments where the amount of money one makes is directly correlated to the amount of effort they put in. Could I have done a 40 hour work week and kept my job? Sure, but I would've made 30 - 40% less money. If you have a problem with people who study outside of the materials and for hours longer than anyone else, my advice is to grow up, because that's life.

On the other hand, if somebody takes up class time asking stupid questions that prevents the class from remaining on schedule or interrupts me during questioning, I have no problem calling that person out. If I find somebody who cuts pages out of books that my tuition dollars pay for or anything else along those lines, I won't think twice about filing code of conduct complaints. The minute somebody starts detracting from the effectiveness of the time and money I'm investing in my education, I have no qualms about giving them a piece of my mind.

[ShibaDan]

I'll weigh in on this because the whole gunner thing surprised me a bit when I first heard about it. I think part of the gunner perception has to do with a maturity component.

I've worked in some tough industries and very competitive environments where the amount of money one makes is directly correlated to the amount of effort they put in. Could I have done a 40 hour work week and kept my job? Sure, but I would've made 30 - 40% less money. If you have a problem with people who study outside of the materials and for hours longer than anyone else, my advice is to grow up, because that's life.

On the other hand, if somebody takes up class time asking stupid questions that prevents the class from remaining on schedule or interrupts me during questioning, I have no problem calling that person out. If I find somebody who cuts pages out of books that my tuition dollars pay for or anything else along those lines, I won't think twice about filing code of conduct complaints. The minute somebody starts detracting from the effectiveness of the time and money I'm investing in my education, I have no qualms about giving them a piece of my mind.

Has anyone had first hand experience of this happening? I have heard the horror stories of course, but I always just assumed they were just that.

[mikeytwoshoes]

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[Fark-o-vision]

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I'm getting this blown up and hung in my bedroom.

[Unemployed]

I once put a gunner to bed. It was unremarkable.

[prezidentv8]

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[Unemployed]

There is a stigma against working hard, against pressing the advantage, and against going all on when you have the chance...I don't see the problem with spending an hour or two a night going through hornbooks, or E&E's, or casebooks even. This idea that I'm trying to gain an advantage is absurd.

Wait - so are you characterizing yourself as pressing the advantage or not?

I don't think anyone thinks there's anything wrong with studying diligently or seeking advice on law school/supplements/exam-taking/etc. Hell - what do you think led the vast majority of this forum's users here?

Gunners are the obnoxious and usually clueless sycophants who unnerve the class (and usually the professor) with inane and/or disruptive comments or questions. The ones that aren't clueless are still obnoxious sycophants who will jump on every opportunity to answer a question (and sometimes will do so without being asked), especially when they get to disparage another student's answer in the process.

When it comes to gunners, you'll know it when you see it.

I had someone in my class who interrupted the professor to inform everyone that the Petitioner was from his state.

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[Wooster33]

For the bazillionth time, gunner /=/ hard worker. Gunner = social mutant that thinks he is smart but is not and makes you cringe to even hear their voice.

In fairness to the OP, we all know that gunner is used more broadly than your definition. Gunner is used to describe very hard working students. Gunner is used to describe a student that will stab his friend in the back to get an edge on the curve. Gunner is used, as you note, to describe the annoying students in class but it's also used to describe the frequent but reasonable participants as well.

[mikeytwoshoes]

For the bazillionth time, gunner /=/ hard worker. Gunner = social mutant that thinks he is smart but is not and makes you cringe to even hear their voice.

In fairness to the OP, we all know that gunner is used more broadly than your definition. Gunner is used to describe very hard working students. Gunner is used to describe a student that will stab his friend in the back to get an edge on the curve. Gunner is used, as you note, to describe the annoying students in class but it's also used to describe the frequent but reasonable participants as well.

No one uses "gunner" in that manner. If you read the gunner threads, you will see that the anti-gunner population chooses not to disenfranchise the population of reasonable participators.

[bilbobaggins]

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Hahahaha fucking amazing.

[mikeytwoshoes]

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Hahahaha fucking amazing.

Judging by the pizza boxes, he appears to be at a college club meeting. Truly scary.

[imchuckbass58]

Why do people keep using the word disenfranchise? Are people really depriving gunners of the right to vote or any of their other legal rights?

Use normal words that actually mean what you think they do like "ridicule" or "dislike."

[TTT-LS]

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[mikeytwoshoes]

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