what r the top 3 substantively difficult upper-level courses Forum

[lsat_fear]

i'm guessing

Federal Courts
Secured Transactions
Federal Income Tax

[TTT-LS]

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[Snooker]

I remember you recommending taking courses in a certain order so as to avoid the gunners and land good grades more easily. What's your opinion on that issue?

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[nealric]

Fed Cts.
Corporate Tax (Tax I isn't that difficult)
Admin

[Ipsa Dixit]

Business Associations

On another note, my school canceled Fed Courts this semester because not enough students enrolled.

[ScaredWorkedBored]

Substantively:

Tax
Bankruptcy
Admin.


All three generally have their top grades determined by "not quite as horrible" performance on the exam. My raw score failed our tax exam and I tied for highest grade in the class.

There are other classes that, depending on the curve, should be relatively easy but become soul-killing brutality because of the people who take it. That's where Federal Courts, while not really "easy" substantively, gets its reputation from. Advanced business transactions courses can also be in this catagory. Not so much because the stuff is that "hard" - it's time consuming but not really difficult if you've been paying attention your first two years - but because there is no one in the class who isn't a high Vault gunner.

[nealric]

All three generally have their top grades determined by "not quite as horrible" performance on the exam. My raw score failed our tax exam and I tied for highest grade in the class.

I suppose it depends on the prof, but in a lot of Tax I classes here missing 4/20 of questions will put you in B- land. Tax I is a really broad overview, so I suppose it depends on how much breadth and depth the prof wants to include.

This isn't a common law school class (it's technically an LLM class), but in my U.S. Tax of International Transactions class, the model answer had several questions wrong, and one of the essays was way out in left field. I panicked on the exam and changed 1/2 my answers in the last 10 minutes, and still got a B+.

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[fortissimo]

I've heard Corporate Tax (Tax II) and Fed Courts are tough. My friend thinks Corporate Tax is much, much harder than Tax I (Individual). This person is also taking International Tax and says it is also hard, but his International Tax prof says that Partnership Tax is the hardest class in law school.

Supposedly Jurisdiction kind of blows too, but maybe not one of the hardest.

[WellNow]

I have heard a lot of professors say that conflict of laws is one of the most difficult courses around.

[steve_nash]

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[vanwinkle]

Given your subject line, I'm going to consider "Remedial English" to be substantively difficult. With the bar set that low, just about any upper-level law course is going to be extremely hard for you. HTH.

[Ignatius J. Reilly]

I'm probably gonna get laughed at here, but for me it was Evidence. Hearsay can be a very complicated issue.

[Grad_Student]

Evidence
Payment Systems

thats it.

[BobSacamano]

What exactly makes Fed Courts so difficult? One of my professors, when I was asking him what courses to take next year, even warned me that it's really hard.

[270910]

What exactly makes Fed Courts so difficult? One of my professors, when I was asking him what courses to take next year, even warned me that it's really hard.

Subject matter aside (and I've heard it's no walk in the park) your big problem is potential clerkship applicants. It seems to be somewhere between 'required' and 'strongly encouraged', so not only do you have a higher concentration of people with high GPAs in the class, but they're all going to be pulling out the stops to try and get an A.

[vanwinkle]

What exactly makes Fed Courts so difficult? One of my professors, when I was asking him what courses to take next year, even warned me that it's really hard.

Subject matter aside (and I've heard it's no walk in the park) your big problem is potential clerkship applicants. It seems to be somewhere between 'required' and 'strongly encouraged', so not only do you have a higher concentration of people with high GPAs in the class, but they're all going to be pulling out the stops to try and get an A.

Yeah, this. It's bad enough in a general T14 law school class, because most people there have 170+ LSATs and were capable in UG. However, out of all of those people, if you take the ones who manage to all get the most A's and have the biggest shot at clerkships, and put them in a room together... They're still being graded on a curve, and it's a curve against a class full of people that all know how to beat the curve in other classes.

You're screwed, basically.

[lsat_fear]

Given your subject line, I'm going to consider "Remedial English" to be substantively difficult. With the bar set that low, just about any upper-level law course is going to be extremely hard for you. HTH.

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[username1]

What exactly makes Fed Courts so difficult? One of my professors, when I was asking him what courses to take next year, even warned me that it's really hard.

Subject matter aside (and I've heard it's no walk in the park) your big problem is potential clerkship applicants. It seems to be somewhere between 'required' and 'strongly encouraged', so not only do you have a higher concentration of people with high GPAs in the class, but they're all going to be pulling out the stops to try and get an A.

Yeah, this. It's bad enough in a general T14 law school class, because most people there have 170+ LSATs and were capable in UG. However, out of all of those people, if you take the ones who manage to all get the most A's and have the biggest shot at clerkships, and put them in a room together... They're still being graded on a curve, and it's a curve against a class full of people that all know how to beat the curve in other classes.

You're screwed, basically.

How do they do this exactly??

[270910]

How do they do this exactly??

Arcane rituals, fish oil supplements, bullet-time?

[Grad_Student]

lol You know you go to a TTT when your school doesn't offer Fed. Courts.