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[rpupkin]

I don't know what a "case ratio" is, so I'm not sure what to make of that.

Sorry, the ratio is the main rule from the case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio_decidendi

Hopefully you did not speak to the dean about any facts. Anything you say will be used against you as will what you don't say. There's no requirement they need to tell you this is the case, but it is. I don't know if you need a lawyer, because lawyers are expensive and may not add anything. You need to calculate and plan everything you do. If you don't have the judgment to do this then get a lawyer. But the shirt you wear, your tone of voice, facial gestures, all of it has to be calculated. There's no real due process requirement. They can expel just because you maybe did something bad, and they think your nose is too big. You need to make them like you. In addition, law professors are likelier to have IQ's way above normal than the average population, and have difficulty connecting with other people. They're likelier to be antisocial or sociopathic so you can't rely on common sense and guilt. There's a decent chance that your dean's perception of something is the complete opposite of 99% the population, and a chance your professor is completely irrational and spent some time in a mental institution. You really want to learn about these people, and find out the best way to defend yourself.

Almost every sentence in the above is wrong. OP: Aside from the advice to get a lawyer, I'd disregard this post.

[abl]

I don't know what a "case ratio" is, so I'm not sure what to make of that.

Sorry, the ratio is the main rule from the case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratio_decidendi

Hopefully you did not speak to the dean about any facts. Anything you say will be used against you as will what you don't say. There's no requirement they need to tell you this is the case, but it is. I don't know if you need a lawyer, because lawyers are expensive and may not add anything. You need to calculate and plan everything you do. If you don't have the judgment to do this then get a lawyer. But the shirt you wear, your tone of voice, facial gestures, all of it has to be calculated. There's no real due process requirement. They can expel just because you maybe did something bad, and they think your nose is too big. You need to make them like you. In addition, law professors are likelier to have IQ's way above normal than the average population, and have difficulty connecting with other people. They're likelier to be antisocial or sociopathic so you can't rely on common sense and guilt. There's a decent chance that your dean's perception of something is the complete opposite of 99% the population, and a chance your professor is completely irrational and spent some time in a mental institution. You really want to learn about these people, and find out the best way to defend yourself.

Almost every sentence in the above is wrong. OP: Aside from the advice to get a lawyer, I'd disregard this post.

Seconded.

[A. Nony Mouse]

I really disagree with this. I've never seen a model answer include citations (apart from maybe a case name). Including citations for secondary sources suggests that there may be different expectations going on here compared to what many of us are used to.

I've seen answers that cite to scholars and articles the professors mentioned in class or circulated as supplementary reading. Not formal citations -- just (Author name), or "As Author argues, ____." It's above and beyond to go there, but they're model answers for a reason. And if a student could spit out the idea but couldn't remember the source on a timed exam, I don't think it would be be cheating to scribble down the point without flipping through articles to properly attribute.

I get that, but scribbling down the point isn't the same thing as copying word for word, which is what seems to be the issue. (This is kind of moot now that the OP has explained further.)

And yeah, OP, don't listen to jrass.

[Attorney-at-Birdlaw]

You can copy and paste during exams? Does your school not use some kind of lockdown software?

My school uses examsoft and allows the professors a choice of allowing access to your hard drive or even the internet as well as copy and pasting.