OFFICIAL 1L Exam Prep & Motivation Thread (CSWS) Forum

[Nova]

Bronck... What property book you using?

CB? Merrill.
Supp? Sprankling, Understanding Prop + I scanned some future interests/RAP workbook that is highly regarded on here

Nice... I also recommend Siegels b/c it has exam hypos + sample answers

Siegels essay hypos are super legit.

I used it for K last semester, and it was gold. I recommend it to ANYONE who is looking for standard K essay hypos.

Im hoping the Crim and Prop editions are just as good.

[Robert Paulson]

How much of the rules is everyone memorizing for civ pro. Is it necessary to memorize every nuance of every rule or just the basic ideas and the nuances discussed in class or in the text?

[Danger Zone]

How much of the rules is everyone memorizing for civ pro. Is it necessary to memorize every nuance of every rule or just the basic ideas and the nuances discussed in class or in the text?

Make flow charts, follow the problem through your flow chart, profit.

[Jsa725]

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[LetsGoLAW]

Anyone have any legit FRCP flow charts?

[Jsa725]

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[mephistopheles]

Anyone have any legit FRCP flow charts?

also interested in this.

[Danger Zone]

Sorry, I never actually made one, but when I was taking the exam I was like "fuck, I should've made a flow chart."

[SportsFan]

How much of the rules is everyone memorizing for civ pro. Is it necessary to memorize every nuance of every rule or just the basic ideas and the nuances discussed in class or in the text?

My civ pro strategy which got me an A- (which I'm pretty sure would have been an A if I hadn't really messed up the Erie question oh well) was to pre-write answers for all the questions I knew were gonna come up (Erie, preclusion, personal jurisdiction, etc.) then to have some stuff pre-written for the rules we discussed a lot in class (like the 12b motions, the joinder rules, and some discovery stuff). Beyond that, I never really memorized a lot of the nuances of random rules (though if your professor isn't pretty predictable like mine was, maybe you should), and I actually looked up 2-3 rules in the rulebook during the exam that I had no idea about, and still had plenty of time (since so much of my exam ended up just being stuff I re-wrote from my outline rather than having to actually think about).

[bananapeanutbutter]

How much of the rules is everyone memorizing for civ pro. Is it necessary to memorize every nuance of every rule or just the basic ideas and the nuances discussed in class or in the text?

Took it last semester. I'd say every nuance of the big stuff, not the useless stuff like notice and the color of envelopes and such bullshit.

The more nuances, the deeper your analysis will be and the better your grade. The single fork is for losers. You can get like 20 fucking forks going on in that class.

[mephistopheles]

How much of the rules is everyone memorizing for civ pro. Is it necessary to memorize every nuance of every rule or just the basic ideas and the nuances discussed in class or in the text?

My civ pro strategy which got me an A- (which I'm pretty sure would have been an A if I hadn't really messed up the Erie question oh well) was to pre-write answers for all the questions I knew were gonna come up (Erie, preclusion, personal jurisdiction, etc.) then to have some stuff pre-written for the rules we discussed a lot in class (like the 12b motions, the joinder rules, and some discovery stuff). Beyond that, I never really memorized a lot of the nuances of random rules (though if your professor isn't pretty predictable like mine was, maybe you should), and I actually looked up 2-3 rules in the rulebook during the exam that I had no idea about, and still had plenty of time (since so much of my exam ended up just being stuff I re-wrote from my outline rather than having to actually think about).

anything to share?

[shumpshump]

How much of the rules is everyone memorizing for civ pro. Is it necessary to memorize every nuance of every rule or just the basic ideas and the nuances discussed in class or in the text?

My civ pro strategy which got me an A- (which I'm pretty sure would have been an A if I hadn't really messed up the Erie question oh well) was to pre-write answers for all the questions I knew were gonna come up (Erie, preclusion, personal jurisdiction, etc.) then to have some stuff pre-written for the rules we discussed a lot in class (like the 12b motions, the joinder rules, and some discovery stuff). Beyond that, I never really memorized a lot of the nuances of random rules (though if your professor isn't pretty predictable like mine was, maybe you should), and I actually looked up 2-3 rules in the rulebook during the exam that I had no idea about, and still had plenty of time (since so much of my exam ended up just being stuff I re-wrote from my outline rather than having to actually think about).

+1

[SportsFan]

How much of the rules is everyone memorizing for civ pro. Is it necessary to memorize every nuance of every rule or just the basic ideas and the nuances discussed in class or in the text?

My civ pro strategy which got me an A- (which I'm pretty sure would have been an A if I hadn't really messed up the Erie question oh well) was to pre-write answers for all the questions I knew were gonna come up (Erie, preclusion, personal jurisdiction, etc.) then to have some stuff pre-written for the rules we discussed a lot in class (like the 12b motions, the joinder rules, and some discovery stuff). Beyond that, I never really memorized a lot of the nuances of random rules (though if your professor isn't pretty predictable like mine was, maybe you should), and I actually looked up 2-3 rules in the rulebook during the exam that I had no idea about, and still had plenty of time (since so much of my exam ended up just being stuff I re-wrote from my outline rather than having to actually think about).

anything to share?

If you want my 2 outlines (a regular one and an attack one, which ended up being pretty long since its where I put a lot of my pre-written stuff), PM me your email address and I can send them to you. IMO the organization of them is kinda mediocre, but all the information is there.

[Nelson]

Anyone have any legit FRCP flow charts?

http://www.amazon.com/Acing-Civil-Proce ... +procedure

Checklists from that book are awesome for any civ pro class.

[stillwater]

I must also add that Freer's treatise has 2 great little sections for frameworks: 1 for PJ and 1 for Erie. They are essential checklists or a series of yes/no propositions that you run through as you work through the doctrine. I thought they were excellent and just memorized them. I embarrassed my CivPro exam, so I have a lot of respect for Freer.

[stillwater]

anyone know when to use Arbitrary and Capricious test versus when to use Chevron?

[GSCgold]

I've got checklists for SMJ, PJ, Venue, Notice, and Eerie if anyone wants to look at them.

I also offered a Dukeminier property outline and think I sent it to everyone who asked... If I missed you feel free to remind me.

[LetsGoLAW]

I've got checklists for SMJ, PJ, Venue, Notice, and Eerie if anyone wants to look at them.

I also offered a Dukeminier property outline and think I sent it to everyone who asked... If I missed you feel free to remind me.

Can I check out those checklists, brah?

[mephistopheles]

I've got checklists for SMJ, PJ, Venue, Notice, and Eerie if anyone wants to look at them.

I also offered a Dukeminier property outline and think I sent it to everyone who asked... If I missed you feel free to remind me.

Can I check out those checklists, brah?

[Jsa725]

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[Nelson]

anyone know when to use Arbitrary and Capricious test versus when to use Chevron?

Depends on which arb & cap review you mean. Chevron deference is for agency interpretations of law (in situations where the agency is acting with force of law).

"Arbitrary and capricious" is used in several ways. "Arbitrary and capricious" is the standard of review for agency determinations of fact in informal proceedings. This standard is the same as "substantial evidence" review of findings of fact in formal proceedings, see ADAPSO v. Board of Governors of the Fed. Reserve.

Any agency action (even procedural action that is not a determination of law or fact) is also subject to review of whether it is arbitrary and capricious (this is so-called "hard look" review). So an agency action that includes a determination of law reviewed under Chevron deference might also be subject to "hard look" review. Hard look review of agency action is basically a reasonableness inquiry (see Overton Park or Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Assoc. v. State Farm).

[GSCgold]

I've got checklists for SMJ, PJ, Venue, Notice, and Eerie if anyone wants to look at them.

I also offered a Dukeminier property outline and think I sent it to everyone who asked... If I missed you feel free to remind me.

Can I check out those checklists, brah?

PM me with your e-mails

[LetsGoLAW]

LET'S FUCKING GO TEAM. I AM SO PUMPED UP. PUTTING DEM FINISHING TOUCHES ON MY CON LAW OUTLINE. I'M READY TO TAKE THIS CAKE, BAKE IT, AND EAT IT SLOWLY. IT'S FUCKING GO TIME.

Oh, and whoever introduced me to Chemerinsky in the beginning of the semester -- whoever you are -- you are my hero.

[dannynoonan87]

BRIEF SEASON SUCKS

800 words from the limit and I still have an entire prong to discuss...oops

[005618502]

LET'S FUCKING GO TEAM. I AM SO PUMPED UP. PUTTING DEM FINISHING TOUCHES ON MY CON LAW OUTLINE. I'M READY TO TAKE THIS CAKE, BAKE IT, AND EAT IT SLOWLY. IT'S FUCKING GO TIME.

Oh, and whoever introduced me to Chemerinsky in the beginning of the semester -- whoever you are -- you are my hero.

Just starting to use that now... I might be to behind though, its so much longer than i expected.