California Bar Exam (July 2013) thread Forum

[Another]

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[a male human]

I mean the graders have to take the PT, too. They have to be like "oh man this was pretty hard, and I will take that into consideration maybe."

[c3pO4]

I read a few pages back that if you don't finish a PT, it doesn't necessarily mean you don't pass the essay. Anyone can confirm this?

This too. It's the nature of the curve. The fact that there aren't people in this thread, which is generally comprised of really smart people, who were like "well shit that was easy" is pretty reassuring.

i've done multiple practice PTs in as close to live conditions as possible meaning afternoon after a 3-essay morning throughout the summer. i thought this was by far the hardest PT i've ever seen and I did at least one brutal one during barbri. at one point i had to bounce for a few minutes just to recover my cool bc I was losing my shit and typing nonsense. the people i overheard talking about it after were saying crazy things about leaving multiple sections in part 1 blank etc. the curve is gonna be good on that one. the bar for 65 is gonna be low.

[Old Gregg]

I actually liked that part of the question -- tests your creativity. I think both of the above are good routes. I focused more on analogizing to the draft but then shot that down because its a state doing labor camps instead of the feds fighting a war.

Ha, I did this exact same thing.

I did too. Did anyone talk about the fact that P probably wasn't black and that the 13th amendment was originally intended to free African slaves...?

According to wikipedia: Kozminski (S. Ct. case) limited involuntary servitude to those situations in which "the master subjects the servant to (1) threatened or actual physical force, (2) threatened or actual state-imposed legal coercion, or (3) fraud or deceit where the servant is a minor or an immigrant or is mentally incompetent."

Ballsy answer if you did. And respect from me.

[Reinhardt]

If I'd've left multiple sections in part 1 blank it probably would've improved my score. Did not really see how to distinguish anything other than the director's shit acts and the nonfiling of IRS forms

[huckabees]

I read a few pages back that if you don't finish a PT, it doesn't necessarily mean you
don't pass the essay. Anyone can confirm this?

This too. It's the nature of the curve. The fact that there aren't people in this thread, which is generally comprised of really smart people, who were like "well shit that was easy" is pretty reassuring.

i've done multiple practice PTs in as close to live conditions as possible meaning afternoon after a 3-essay morning throughout the summer. i thought this was by far the hardest PT i've ever seen and I did at least one brutal one during barbri. at one point i had to bounce for a few minutes just to recover my cool bc I was losing my shit and typing nonsense. the people i overheard talking about it after were saying crazy things about leaving multiple sections in part 1 blank etc. the curve is gonna be good on that one. the bar for 65 is gonna be low.

TBH, the PT A for July 2012 was very similar, though somewhat more straight forward. I did that one and then hoped against odds that it would not be like that this time. Same deal with Attorney General and a bunch of tasks, all analyzing pretty much same thing of terrible D&O abuses.

[jmhendri]

my entire answer (aside from the IRS filings) was pretty much "lack of oversight... blah blah blah...unwarranted reliance.... blah blah blah broad statutory grant to do whatever" over and over

[Old Gregg]

Literally the only time I even read about the PT prior to the bar exam was cracking open the BarBri PT book for the first time while taking a dump last night.

[ben bernanke]

I read a few pages back that if you don't finish a PT, it doesn't necessarily mean you don't pass the essay. Anyone can confirm this?

This too. It's the nature of the curve. The fact that there aren't people in this thread, which is generally comprised of really smart people, who were like "well shit that was easy" is pretty reassuring.

i've done multiple practice PTs in as close to live conditions as possible meaning afternoon after a 3-essay morning throughout the summer. i thought this was by far the hardest PT i've ever seen and I did at least one brutal one during barbri. at one point i had to bounce for a few minutes just to recover my cool bc I was losing my shit and typing nonsense. the people i overheard talking about it after were saying crazy things about leaving multiple sections in part 1 blank etc. the curve is gonna be good on that one. the bar for 65 is gonna be low.

What about the bar for 55? Anyone think that non-response/drivel for half of part 1, with reasonable analysis for the rest of part 1 and part 2 -- will be in 55 range? Need reassurance lol

[Old Gregg]

I read a few pages back that if you don't finish a PT, it doesn't necessarily mean you don't pass the essay. Anyone can confirm this?

This too. It's the nature of the curve. The fact that there aren't people in this thread, which is generally comprised of really smart people, who were like "well shit that was easy" is pretty reassuring.

i've done multiple practice PTs in as close to live conditions as possible meaning afternoon after a 3-essay morning throughout the summer. i thought this was by far the hardest PT i've ever seen and I did at least one brutal one during barbri. at one point i had to bounce for a few minutes just to recover my cool bc I was losing my shit and typing nonsense. the people i overheard talking about it after were saying crazy things about leaving multiple sections in part 1 blank etc. the curve is gonna be good on that one. the bar for 65 is gonna be low.

What about the bar for 55? Anyone think that non-response/drivel for half of part 1, with reasonable analysis for the rest of part 1 and part 2 -- will be in 55 range? Need reassurance lol

You're getting at least a 60. 55 and below is for the fobs.

[Another]

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[huckabees]

You're getting at least a 60. 55 and below is for the fobs.

I forgot about those poor LLMs and foreign JD students.

What does a 55 for a PT look like on bar essays?

[Old Gregg]

What time is the MBE tomorrow?

[worldtraveler]

What time is the MBE tomorrow?

8:30 start, at least in theory.

[a male human]

MBE instructions start 8:30.

I'm at Santa Clara, and I felt kinda bad for the people sitting right next to the bathroom wall. There's constant noise of people ripping towels, sneezing, flushing, walking, vomiting, etc.

[Foosters Galore]

I just want to say I'm so glad I came back to this thread. I wasn't planning to, afraid I'd see issues I'd missed on essays. But after that abortion of a PT, I figured I must have completely misunderstood the problem or my case file was missing pages or something, and had resigned myself to failure. Good to know it fucked everyone. No offense.

[Another]

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[Old Gregg]

Thanks everyone.

In Santa Clara too... we should all do something to commiserate.

[Old Gregg]

No computer at all, right, tomorrow?

No computer.

[deadlinguo]

Was the parking situation in Santa Clara as terrible as I thought it would be? I got dropped off today but might wanna drive tomorrow.

[Shaggier1]

Tangerine Gleam wrote:
Is it just wishful thinking to hope that W&T is less likely after we've had a Community Property question today? (And after that fucked up sorta trusts-related PT?)

I think so. W&T wasn't on the last exam, and it's basically on almost every exam, so something makes me think it has to be tested.

The bolded is just plain false. Between 2007 and February 2013, there were six different administrations that had neither a wills nor a trusts question.

[Shaggier1]

Fresh Prince wrote:
What time is the MBE tomorrow?


8:30 start, at least in theory.

You just mean for instructions, right? Or does the MBE actually start earlier than the essay days?

[courtneylove]

thank you guys for the heads up on the anticipated conlaw essay. i definitely would have bombed this morning if i hadn't cracked down on that shit this weekend.

hard to prep for tomorrow with all this CPT emotional upheaval. i feel like there was a miscommunication between the person who put together the library and whoever wrote the prompt. because, what.

also, love the accuracy of this statue outside the sacramento exam center: http://i43.tinypic.com/b6q5iq.jpg

[jmhendri]

I'm in Ontario.

On the plus, I got a suite for not that much more than I would've been able to get a smoking room right next to the service elevator in LA.

[cavalierattitude]

Did the lawyer violate an ethics rule when he bribed the journalist to mention his name in any future coverage? Or was he just being a dillweed but not necessarily unethical?