SERIOUS ISSUE Forum

[encore1101]

I agree with rpupkin. Write a negative review of the school then watch them cave.

[Gifted Hands]

This is a pickle. Have you ever heard the phrase "you attract more flies with honey than vinegar?" I suggest returning to the "online review" technique. But this time, write glowingly positive reviews of both your landlord and your attorney.

i've already been convicted by school. i can't get out of this by sucking up if that' what you are implying

Yes, that is what I was implying, but that obviously won't work if you've already been convicted. Did the school try you in absentia?

no it was an informal prephearing via telephone. basically i accepted a plea deal. but now i want to appeal

[rpupkin]

Yes, that is what I was implying, but that obviously won't work if you've already been convicted. Did the school try you in absentia?

no it was an informal prephearing via telephone. basically i accepted a plea deal. but now i want to appeal

Before the Director of Student Misconduct started asking you about the incident, did he/she advise you of your right to remain silent and your right to counsel?

[Gifted Hands]

Yes, that is what I was implying, but that obviously won't work if you've already been convicted. Did the school try you in absentia?

no it was an informal prephearing via telephone. basically i accepted a plea deal. but now i want to appeal

Before the Director of Student Misconduct started asking you about the incident, did he/she advise you of your right to remain silent and your right to counsel?

yea

[rpupkin]

Yes, that is what I was implying, but that obviously won't work if you've already been convicted. Did the school try you in absentia?

no it was an informal prephearing via telephone. basically i accepted a plea deal. but now i want to appeal

Before the Director of Student Misconduct started asking you about the incident, did he/she advise you of your right to remain silent and your right to counsel?

yea

Awesome.

[lavarman84]

Yes, that is what I was implying, but that obviously won't work if you've already been convicted. Did the school try you in absentia?

no it was an informal prephearing via telephone. basically i accepted a plea deal. but now i want to appeal

Before the Director of Student Misconduct started asking you about the incident, did he/she advise you of your right to remain silent and your right to counsel?

Gifted Hands, did you put it in writing? If not, call up the Dean and tell him that the deal is off. Then comment on his shitty negotiating skills and his stupidity for not putting the deal in writing. If it is in writing, you can argue that it's unenforceable because he violated your due process rights. And then sue the school for violating your due process and equal protection rights.

I'm not a lawyer so this isn't a legal advice. This is simply what I'd do in your shoes. That school needs to learn its lesson.

[somethingElse]

Ironically I'm actually less sure that Gifted Hands is Manali after this thread.

[Gifted Hands]

Yes, that is what I was implying, but that obviously won't work if you've already been convicted. Did the school try you in absentia?

no it was an informal prephearing via telephone. basically i accepted a plea deal. but now i want to appeal

Before the Director of Student Misconduct started asking you about the incident, did he/she advise you of your right to remain silent and your right to counsel?

Gifted Hands, did you put it in writing? If not, call up the Dean and tell him that the deal is off. Then comment on his shitty negotiating skills and his stupidity for not putting the deal in writing. If it is in writing, you can argue that it's unenforceable because he violated your due process rights. And then sue the school for violating your due process and equal protection rights.

I'm not a lawyer so this isn't a legal advice. This is simply what I'd do in your shoes. That school needs to learn its lesson.

you got that right, i'll take this all the way the way up to the honor board if necessary

[lavarman84]

Ironically I'm actually less sure that Gifted Hands is Manali after this thread.

It seems like Manali but I thought she got perma'd so I would have expected Nony to attack if it was Manali.

[Gifted Hands]

so y'all are saying that i did not have a first amednement right to insult a atty?

[rpupkin]

so y'all are saying that i did not have a first amednement right to insult a atty?

The First, Sixth, and Ninth Amendments, read together, protect one's right to insult an attorney. Key question: Is your law school public or private?

[Gifted Hands]

so y'all are saying that i did not have a first amednement right to insult a atty?

The First, Sixth, and Ninth Amendments, read together, protect one's right to insult an attorney. Key question: Is your law school public or private?

private, but the code is so vague that it's impossible to know what is protevected vs unprotected?

it just says "conduct that affects the dignity of another" So, if a kid slams a door in my face and i can call him an ashole, he can report me, and this can happen again

I didn't know what i was signing up for when i signed the school contract. Bc of the vaugueness

[Gifted Hands]

and the school only has jx on campus and places that the college has an interest in

[rpupkin]

and the school only has jx on campus and places that the college has an interest in

What are examples of places that the college has an interest in?

[A. Nony Mouse]

Ironically I'm actually less sure that Gifted Hands is Manali after this thread.

It seems like Manali but I thought she got perma'd so I would have expected Nony to attack if it was Manali.

It's not Manali. There are many different varieties of weirdos around.

[rcharter1978]

no i was drunk when i made a settlement offer. i was sober when i insulted him.

I thought you were pulling together a flash mob for the LRW grade? Just add a verse about this second injustice -- put in a few more dance moves and you'll be fine.

If there is anything YouTube has taught me it is that no one can defend themselves in the face of a flash mob.

[pancakes3]

again, can't your very well respected HYS mentor make all of this go away with a phone call?

[jdmonkey]

so y'all are saying that i did not have a first amednement right to insult a atty?

I just took ethics and can't remember the rule, but your are not allowed to harass or disparage another attorney. I read a case where a lawyer made fun of another attorney's accent and was sanctioned. There was another case where one lawyer called another sweetie and babe during a deposition and was sanctioned. I would think that calling a lawyer while drunk to insult him would be a violation of the rules of professional conduct. You have the right to harshly criticize the conduct of another attorney, but personal attacks are over the line. Look at In re Jordan Schiff

[jdmonkey]

and the school only has jx on campus and places that the college has an interest in

The college also has an interest in not being embarrassed by its members. When I was in college and you got arrested when school was not in session the college could discipline you. That said they wouldn't search local newspapers for police blotters, but if offensive criminal conduct that violated their values was brought to their attention they could discipline you regardless of what state you were in.

[Gifted Hands]

so y'all are saying that i did not have a first amednement right to insult a atty?

I just took ethics and can't remember the rule, but your are not allowed to harass or disparage another attorney. I read a case where a lawyer made fun of another attorney's accent and was sanctioned. There was another case where one lawyer called another sweetie and babe during a deposition and was sanctioned. I would think that calling a lawyer while drunk to insult him would be a violation of the rules of professional conduct. You have the right to harshly criticize the conduct of another attorney, but personal attacks are over the line. Look at In re Jordan Schiff

that's stupid. so the joe jamail depositition video should have resulted in sanction all around. i can't post videos but look up "texas lawyer deposition" THERE ARE MANY DEPOSITION VIDEOS WHERE LAWYERS INSULT EACH OTHER
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[jdmonkey]

so y'all are saying that i did not have a first amednement right to insult a atty?

I just took ethics and can't remember the rule, but your are not allowed to harass or disparage another attorney. I read a case where a lawyer made fun of another attorney's accent and was sanctioned. There was another case where one lawyer called another sweetie and babe during a deposition and was sanctioned. I would think that calling a lawyer while drunk to insult him would be a violation of the rules of professional conduct. You have the right to harshly criticize the conduct of another attorney, but personal attacks are over the line. Look at In re Jordan Schiff

that's stupid. so the joe jamail depositition video should have resulted in sanction all around. i can't post videos but look up "texas lawyer deposition"

A lot of people jaywalk. Just because not every offender is brought to justice does not make it legal.

[Gifted Hands]

so y'all are saying that i did not have a first amednement right to insult a atty?

I just took ethics and can't remember the rule, but your are not allowed to harass or disparage another attorney. I read a case where a lawyer made fun of another attorney's accent and was sanctioned. There was another case where one lawyer called another sweetie and babe during a deposition and was sanctioned. I would think that calling a lawyer while drunk to insult him would be a violation of the rules of professional conduct. You have the right to harshly criticize the conduct of another attorney, but personal attacks are over the line. Look at In re Jordan Schiff

that's stupid. so the joe jamail depositition video should have resulted in sanction all around. i can't post videos but look up "texas lawyer deposition"

A lot of people jaywalk. Just because not every offender is brought to justice does not make it legal.

yea that's besically why i'm pissed about this. if you got a ticket for jaywalking, you'd be to.

[Dcc617]

This might be good for you, like in a personal development, don't be such a raging dick sort of thing. Sometimes it takes having to deal with the consequences of being a dick for someone to learn.

OP, have you tried sincere contrition and apology? To literally everyone involved? It's amazing what that can accomplish sometimes. And even if it's not your 100% ideal outcome, that's probably good for you.

[Gifted Hands]

This might be good for you, like in a personal development, don't be such a raging dick sort of thing. Sometimes it takes having to deal with the consequences of being a dick for someone to learn.

OP, have you tried sincere contrition and apology? To literally everyone involved? It's amazing what that can accomplish sometimes. And even if it's not your 100% ideal outcome, that's probably good for you.

yea in the pre-hearing, she said i was makng excuses at one point then i fake cried and apologized and said i would apologize to him, which she said not to. But then i got home and thought about it and the 1st amd and fired off a bunch of emails saying i feel wronged and want to appeal. And i blamed it on the alcohol (even though it's clear i was not drunk from the voicemail). Said law school has led me to drink, etc. she was a law student so she could relate and recomedned i go to therapy.

basically, i apologized while crying and she still convivted me of the charge unilaterally after that phone convo

[Dcc617]

This might be good for you, like in a personal development, don't be such a raging dick sort of thing. Sometimes it takes having to deal with the consequences of being a dick for someone to learn.

OP, have you tried sincere contrition and apology? To literally everyone involved? It's amazing what that can accomplish sometimes. And even if it's not your 100% ideal outcome, that's probably good for you.

yea in the pre-hearing, she said i was makng excuses at one point then i fake cried and apologized and said i would apologize to him, which she said not to. But then i got home and thought about it and the 1st amd and fired off a bunch of emails saying i feel wronged and want to appeal. And i blamed it on the alcohol (even though it's clear i was not drunk from the voicemail)

OP, I mean SINCERE, GENUINE....actually, nope, never mind, not getting sucked into this.