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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Mullens » Thu May 12, 2016 9:44 pm

HonestAdvice wrote:
Mullens wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote:
Mullens wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote:
Mr. Archer wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?
if you're still in law school you should learn how to be less of a turd, you turd. You don't know what you're talking about. If you don't know about juvenile diabetes, and how it is treated under the ADA then shut up, and go back to watching .avi's of high horses, stroke yourself like the weird asshole you are, climax and call it a day.
Did you create this account just to give bad, contrarian, and inflammatory advice on TLS? Because that sums up pretty much everything you've posted. If you're gonna do that, at least consider the actual original post.

OP, since it sounds like you had a discussion with the Dean and came to an understanding that you would not need accommodations. For that reason, you're pretty much out of luck on this exam; the school can't really do anything that would fix the situation after the exam has happened. I would take any accommodation you can get for future exams, in case this does happen again. I'm sorry this happened to you, but this is one of the dangers of law school for everyone. Shit happens and you're best to just move forward and not let this affect you on any of your future exams. Are you in your first semester of law school?
The dean said, "You seem to have it figured out, no need." That's not an understanding. That's a denial of accommodations. Did OP sign anything? Was OP represented by counsel at this meeting? Was OP offered the opportunity to bring counsel? Is there a signed writing of OP's forfeiture of accommodations he'd otherwise be entitled to? Go watch horse porn with your friend you piece of shit.

If you don't know anything about how juvenile diabetes works and is treated you can google it, and look it up or don't, but if you won't post somewhere else, look at porn, convince an 8 year old to come over for a tea, whatever it is that brings you joy, but shut up.
Except that's not what the Dean said. We're working with only OP's short summary of the conversation but what was posted was "I am extremely bummed out right now because I have had type 1 diabetes since I was a little kid, and I have had it under control for a very long time, and I talked to my student services dean at the beginning of the semester and she basically told me that if I have it figured out, there's no need for accommodations, and I really didn't think there was any problem." I don't know how you go from that to "You seem to have it figured out, no need" but it definitely involves you wanting to come to a certain conclusion and not actually reading what was posted.

Your advice is not constructive because what could the school even do now? They've already offered accommodations in future exams. Suing the school isn't going to change OP's grade. I do understand how Type I diabetes works. And I understand how law school exam accommodations generally work, which obviously you do not so instead you offer objectively poor advice based on a situation other than OP's and surround it in unnecessary insults. Is this situation unfortunate? Of course. Should OP have had a lawyer present for that meeting with the Dean? Probably not and suing the school now isn't going to do anything.
oh my god, if i had to have an entire meal with you i'd kill myself. The moment OP brought it up the dean should have looked into it. It sounds like the dean asked him if he can handle his diabetes, and all these kids are conditioned to say yes for their confidence and to fit in, but schools always have their nursing staff of who is a juvenile diabetic because there's a good chance they will have at least one seizure over a few years. These aren't epileptic seizures. They're hypoglycemic induced seizures it's not 95% that the person comes back. The dean should have contacted a doctor or referred him to a doctor for an opinion ASAP. What your thick head isn't realizing is this wasn't a once in a million thing. The school should count their blessings OP isn't dead because of this idiot dean. There's no, well yeah, we have an understanding you have a disease that by law entitles you to accommodations but eh, you got it though. It sounds like this is just a lazy dean of students biding their time till retirement that was completely reckless.
This rant makes absolutely no sense. The school should be happy that OP isn't dead because OP had a hypoglycemic attack during an exam? How would giving OP accommodations prevented this from happening in any way? All OP likely would get is essentially a pause button on their exam time from the start of the attack until they were feeling better. I'm sure OP has a doctor and doesn't need the Dean to refer OP to one to understand the condition he/she has had since childhood. OP is an adult and, again if you read the original post, did not foresee this happening during an exam.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Person1111 » Thu May 12, 2016 10:51 pm

OP, does your insurance cover a CGM? Serious question. It could save your life, and it is much better to get one now if you have good law school insurance.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 11:00 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:What sort of accommodations other than pausing the test if an issue arrises does op even need
They need to have some kind of call system in place with the medical staff so that if OP had a serious medical issue like this - again you can from one crazy bad low - you want to be able to have responders immediately know what's up. That's one. Really the school is luck OP didn't get hurt.

Aside from that, any rules regarding food should not apply to OP. I'd even say he should have a separate room, because if he has to take blood to see his blood sugar, it's probably a little embarrassing for him, and during a test, do you really want your neighbor to be pouring blood out next to you?

In addition, it's not that the test should stop when the sugar is low, it's that should stop until OP's blood sugar is back functioning at a regular level.

These are not crazy accommodations. At my school if you had ADD, you got time and a half, and we were all pissed about that. This here is a joke. There were medical procedures that should have been in place, and it sounds like you just had a lazy dean who knew nothing about juvenile diabetes who basically strongwilled a nervous 1L out of his office, and never consulted with any medical personnel or anything. Bare in mind, this dean's role is to ensure students are treated fairly - that's his whole job. He didn't even call a doctor, ask for records, nothing. Just, "Oh, you got it. Get out of my office." And now these idiots want to use the fact OP walked out of the office as proof OP signed a knowing contract. That's why I said they are retarded.
1) diabetics typically dont need a medical staff on hand. They can manage their own insulin. This is an adult not a 6 year old.

Is your experience with this elementary school or something?

My brother is literally quadriplegic and he didn't need a medical team to take his cpa exam.

2) op not having his own room didn't cause this issue.

u sound retarded.
not a team. you have to have something in place where the university would know if he had a seizure that's a diabetic because once your blood sugar dips below 40, five minutes here or there could be fatal. He probably has a medic alert bracelet, but he should have been in the health system listed as a diabetic in case this happened so whoever responds could force glucose into his system. It's a small thing but could be the difference between a bad day and brain damage.

Your brother being a quadriplegic isn't relevant here.obviously that's a much harder life, but it's a different ailment with different concerns.

The school has to know OP is a diabetic, because in the event his blood sugar drops, which is likelier in times of stress, 5-10 minutes can be life or death. You need whoever is responding in that event to know OP is diabetic so they get glucose into him faster. It's pretty simple, and how every single university handles diabetics. You're equivocating what OP has with your grandmother's diabetes, which is why what I'm saying seems so intense. They're completely different health problems caused by completely different things of completely different seriousness. To say I'm trolling is indicative of your retardation. Yes, OP could live a normal life till 80, but when he's hypoglycemic, a minute here or there is life or death. By the time he's hypoglycemic he can't think. It's not like being drunk. It's like if you all lost all the energy in your system so much so you have no idea where you are and a minute later can't even say your name, and then pass out. It can take 24 hours for him to regain full cognitive function. Mind you, this all happened mid-exam.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by HonestAdvice » Thu May 12, 2016 11:15 pm

mullens--

Giving OP would stop it from happening because (1) OP would have been able to test his blood sugar without losing time on the test, (2) OP would have been able to test his blood sugar in the room versus having to go to the restroom, (3) OP would have seen his blood sugar was dropping, (4) OP would have taken his glucose tablets, (5) OP would have been fine, and have not become hypoglycemic.

It's not like a magician flicks his hand and OP goes hypoglycemic. It's a gradual process, asshole, but he generally wouldn't know until it was too late to avoid it altogether. Normally OP would be testing his blood sugar every hour or so. During the exam he'd need to lose 5 minutes each hour minimum because he probably wasn't allowed to prick himself in the testing room.

To ask how somebody whose blood sugar dropped below 80 could have been prevented reflects a total lack of knowledge of Diabetes, blood sugar and really any understanding of the human beyond a second grade level so when I'm saying shut up, it's not to be mean. It's because you have no idea what you're talking about.

On the legal point about OP dying it's this -- If OP had a seizure from this and he continued dropping, and an ambulance was called and didn't realize he needed glucose until he got to the hospital, he'd at best have severe brain damage - might not talk again. If they responded with glucose he would have recovered. When I said the school would be fucked, it's because the school had a duty to make sure there was something about in the student health file. This isn't anything groundbreaking. Not documenting that somebody is a juvenile diabetic is negligence per se. It is not a debate.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by A. Nony Mouse » Thu May 12, 2016 11:26 pm

I'm not trying to reach any conclusions about what a diabetic needs during an exam, but I think it's a little hard to legally parse what the school did based on what the OP posted. That could describe the dean brushing off the OP, or the OP saying accommodations weren't necessary, and I don't think a school can force accommodations on someone who doesn't want them.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by BigRob » Fri May 13, 2016 12:32 am

I would imagine that law school grading is designed to correlate with ability to be an effective attorney, such that students who have valuable attributes (e.g., problem solving; stress-management) are rewarded with higher grades.

If this is the case -- and I may be wrong in this premise entirely -- then why are accommodations a thing, at all? If you have ADHD, and it means you can't focus on an exam, how will you focus on that memo section you have three hours to draft? If you have the beetus, and sometimes stress causes you to be about to die for forty minutes, should someone hire you to argue the USSC case his company is riding on?

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by A. Nony Mouse » Fri May 13, 2016 12:58 am

1) There's this thing called the ADA.

2) lol at the idea that there is only one way to get tasks done in law, such that there's no possible alternate route someone might take to play to their strengths/avoid their weaknesses, or that every legal job requires the same exact kinds of abilities. besides, legal practice very rarely requires sitting in a room writing on a subject for 3 hours without being allowed to consult other people, so accommodations under those conditions doesn't say very much about what you might need as a lawyer.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Person1111 » Fri May 13, 2016 12:21 pm

I have well controlled Type 1 (A1C of 5.9) and billed about ~2400 hours last year. I also didn't have a seizure, although I have quite a bit of mild hypoglycemia. I take insulin and check my blood sugar in private and you couldn't tell I was diabetic unless you were looking really, really hard. It is annoying, but it's not debilitating and it doesn't stop me from being an effective attorney.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by HonestAdvice » Fri May 13, 2016 12:53 pm

It does affect different people differently, and there's a correlation between age of diagnosis and severity of blood sugar fluctuations. I know a type one who is a marathon runner diagnosed late in life, and Jay Cutler is also type 1. It's generally safer to run your blood sugar high in that you won't die from a blood sugar of 800. My sister has almost reached four digits multiple times, and over time you get ketoacidosis, which makes your blood sugar less stable.

The idea of comparing Type 1 Diabetes to ADHD is pretty retarded. On the point that OP might have rejected accommodations, all I can say is that people with Type 1 Diabetes are often insecure about it, and it's something they could hide from peers. If you're blind, you're blind and everyone will know. If you're a Type 1 Diabetic, you might have an insulin pump plugged into your stomach but nobody will know. If you're in class and the person next to you whipped out a needle, pricked themselves and put their blood onto a test strip, you would think the person was different. From the Diabetic's point of view, they're immediately standing out from everybody else because of something they are not proud of.

In addition, ever since OP was first diagnosed he was told if he didn't keep his blood sugar controlled he would die early. His parents were probably pricking him in public, and he wanted the same independence other kids have so he's probably gone his whole life telling people he's got it under control, because he wants to fit in notwithstanding being a Type 1 Diabetic

These are all common reactions of Type 1 Diabetics, particularly those who were diagnosed at a younger age. Once he talked to the dean with it, the dean's reaction should have been to ask about prior accommodations he had and to tell him that he should speak with his doctor and determine whether he needs accommodations. Based on what OP said, he basically told the dean he was good at controlling his blood sugar, which has to be true because if he wasn't he'd have either had a kidney transplant or died by now and also something he's been having to say again and again since grade school.

Based on the story, it seems like the dean said "Well, you've got it under control so don't worry about it." If this is what happened, that's unacceptable. The dean is not a doctor, and if we're going to put him in charge of making decisions about necessary accommodations that a doctor would customarily make, then we should really be holding the dean to the same duty of care as a doctor.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by NotMyRealName09 » Fri May 13, 2016 2:43 pm

HonestAdvice wrote:
Mr. Archer wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?
if you're still in law school you should learn how to be less of a turd, you turd. You don't know what you're talking about. If you don't know about juvenile diabetes, and how it is treated under the ADA then shut up, and go back to watching .avi's of high horses, stroke yourself like the weird asshole you are, climax and call it a day.
That bolded part was good, not on substance, but just on pithy and condensed condescension. 0-100 mph real fast, well done.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by HonestAdvice » Fri May 13, 2016 4:10 pm

NotMyRealName09 wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote:
Mr. Archer wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?
if you're still in law school you should learn how to be less of a turd, you turd. You don't know what you're talking about. If you don't know about juvenile diabetes, and how it is treated under the ADA then shut up, and go back to watching .avi's of high horses, stroke yourself like the weird asshole you are, climax and call it a day.
That bolded part was good, not on substance, but just on pithy and condensed condescension. 0-100 mph real fast, well done.
Thank you. I was told I need to get more word count efficient to go to the next level. I got my lunch today with 0 words, all nodding.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by rcharter1978 » Fri May 13, 2016 9:55 pm

theshorthappyguy21 wrote:Hello TLS,

I am extremely bummed out right now because I have had type 1 diabetes since I was a little kid, and I have had it under control for a very long time, and I talked to my student services dean at the beginning of the semester and she basically told me that if I have it figured out, there's no need for accommodations, and I really didn't think there was any problem.

THEN of course...right in the middle of one of my exams last week...I get hit with a hypoglycemic attack. I keep glucose tablets on me at all times, and I ate them, and within about 40-45 minutes I was feeling better. But I was truly dazed and disoriented for that entire time... I went and talked to my Dean about it, and she said we can set up accommodations for future exams, but there really isn't much to do about this exam.

This really isn't a question as much as it is just a place to vent. I just spent so much time studying, and I know that the time I lost during the exam is going to be such a setback. I already know one major issue I missed and I'm sure there were others now that I am thinking back on it.

I just hate that this one class could make or break my GPA, especially if it went as bad as I think it might have.

Sorry to just rant.....I am just extremely upset about this. I should have had accommodations put in place from the beginning, but I so rarely get hit w/ these low blood sugar attacks anymore that I just didn't think it was necessary...and then the cruel law school gods decide to get me right in the middle of an exam.

Just sad.... :( BLAH.
I know exactly what you're talking about because I have T1 diabetes too. You can never, ever know when a hypoglycemic attack will come on, because stress can control your blood sugar. My goal was to walk into an exam with a blood sugar a little over 200, I guarantee that if I walked in with a blood sugar at 150, I would bottom out.

I never asked for accommodations, and I did fine......I kinda wish I had, because like you said, it was a real drag spending 45 minutes to get back to normal when you're in a 2-3 hour exam and every minute counts. For my money, I don't think glucose tablets are the best, but thats just me, for some reason regular candy worked better for me, but good luck getting that by a proctor.

Get your doctor on board and get all the additional time you need. I don't think one class is going to really kill you....chances are....at worst...you got a B. That is not the end of the world and from here on in you can get the additional time to deal with hypoglycemia.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by rcharter1978 » Fri May 13, 2016 10:02 pm

hlsperson1111 wrote:I also have Type 1. I had the same conversation about accommodations with someone in our Dean of Students' office when I was in law school, and the reality is that most Type 1 diabetics don't need accommodations for exams (other than an exemption from a ban on food and/or electronic devices, if your school imposes one - we didn't). What accommodation could they have given you that would have prevented this from happening? Can you honestly say that that accommodation would not have given you an unfair advantage in the 99.9% of instances when you didn't need it?

This is a good lesson that frequent monitoring and planning is the key to preventing Type 1 from controlling your life. I try to run slightly higher than average BG and avoid eating shortly beforehand if I am going to court or if I am going to be in a situation where I may not be able to test myself/correct an out-of-range BG. I would also invest in a CGM if you can afford it; it's a huge lifesaver in these kinds of situations. As far as law school goes, try to take classes with take home exams if you can. Losing 30-45 minutes there is not nearly as much of an issue as it is in a 3-hour exam.
CGM's can be unreliable and often have to be calibrated. CGM manufacturers will tell you (somewhere in the fine print) that the interstitial fluid is not as accurate as a finger stick so the CGM readings should be more relied upon to see trends, not as an accurate indicator of blood sugar. I had a Minimed Pump, and the CGM was just awful.....I remember the CGM telling me my blood sugar was 83 and it was actually 38.

The school should have given him an additional 20-30 minutes to accommodate for the time it takes to deal with the hypoglycemia. The OP shouldn't have to change the classes he takes because he has a disease that he couldn't prevent. The stress and adrenaline on test day isn't going to always affect blood sugar the same way, so its not easy to always know how to plan for it. I got through law school by always running around 200+ before heading into an exam....and even when I did that I could sometimes drop into the 40's -50's. And sometimes it would hit like a freight train.
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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by rcharter1978 » Fri May 13, 2016 10:09 pm

Mr. Archer wrote:
HonestAdvice wrote: Obviously I'm mad at what happened to you, but if your version of the facts is accurate this is tantamount to the professor making an announcement that all black students will be downgraded a letter grade for being black. That's essentially what they did to you - harmed your future because of a failure to provide the accommodations needed legally and practically for you to be like other students.
Your "HonestAdvice" is horrible. This is not even close to the same situation. If you're still in law school, please learn how to analogize situations before you graduate. It's a pretty important skill for being a lawyer.

Also, everyone should slow down on the "call a lawyer/this was discrimination" talk. It sounds like OP asked for an accommodation, and the school considered it but decided it wasn't needed. It doesn't sound like the school just made a blanket rule that anyone can get accommodations but diabetics. Saying this is obviously discriminatory is not helpful because OP didn't provide a lot of facts. OP should talk to the universities accommodation office first and see if they can offer any advice.

Maybe OP can clarify if he/she talked to the exam proctor about the issue when it was happening? If not, then the school really can't be expected to do anything. OP notifying them after the fact puts the school in an awkward situation: OP could be telling the truth or, since OP said the diabetes was controlled and apparently didn't have problems first semester or at any other point second semester, OP could be trying to game the system after not doing well on an exam. That's a harsh way to look at things, but its necessary.

Also, OP did you have any testing accommodations in college?
The thing is having your T1 diabetes under control doesn't mean that your blood sugar is not going to go low during an exam. It just means that your A1C is good and you're not having any complications. T1 diabetics have to calibrate insulin levels in a world of unknowns. The stress, adrenaline, and excitement of exam room conditions can have an impact on blood sugar even for the diabetic who has their diabetes under control. The dean of students should have done some investigation into the condition before just shrugging her shoulders and keeping it moving. I don't see why she didn't at least ask if she could speak with the OP's endocrinologist or ask the OP to get a letter from the endocrinologist about accommodations that should be made. My endocrinologist has dealt with a number of students and so they are familiar with what to ask for...in fact, I think he has a form letter written out.

It sounds like there was at least some negligence if the OP went to the dean of students and she did nothing to even investigate the condition to see if it would warrant some sort of accommodation.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by El Pollito » Sat May 14, 2016 1:16 am

emkay625 wrote:So from what I understand here, you requested accommodations but were denied originally, and this impacted your performance on the exam? I would consult with an attorney.
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Post by Foghornleghorn » Sat May 14, 2016 3:08 am

they need to have some kind of call system in place with the medical staff so that if OP had a serious medical issue like this - again you can from one crazy bad low - you want to be able to have responders immediately know what's up.

Welp, I guess we need a team of surgeons on call for asthmatics because OMFG IF THEY STOP BREATHING THEY CANT HAZ OxyG3n and will die.
Aside from that, any rules regarding food should not apply to OP. I'd even say he should have a separate room,because if he has to take blood to see his blood sugar, it's probably a little embarrassing for him, and during a test, do you really want your neighbor to be pouring blood out next to you?
http://www.gluco-wise.com/

It's not 1956.

Quite frankly, you sound like a PTA mom that brandishes a principal's the use of the phrase 'black hole' as prima facie evidence of racism.

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Post by rcharter1978 » Sat May 14, 2016 5:01 am

Foghornleghorn wrote:
they need to have some kind of call system in place with the medical staff so that if OP had a serious medical issue like this - again you can from one crazy bad low - you want to be able to have responders immediately know what's up.

Welp, I guess we need a team of surgeons on call for asthmatics because OMFG IF THEY STOP BREATHING THEY CANT HAZ OxyG3n and will die.
Aside from that, any rules regarding food should not apply to OP. I'd even say he should have a separate room,because if he has to take blood to see his blood sugar, it's probably a little embarrassing for him, and during a test, do you really want your neighbor to be pouring blood out next to you?
http://www.gluco-wise.com/

It's not 1956.

Quite frankly, you sound like a PTA mom that brandishes a principal's the use of the phrase 'black hole' as prima facie evidence of racism.
Its not 2020 either....the device you linked to is not on the market yet. You still need to finger prick to get an accurate reading. However, the amount of blood required is pretty tiny so you're not going to be pouring out blood, but the entire process takes time. But even being able to test discreetly doesn't mean that the result will be any better. If your blood sugar unexpectedly drops to 40 -- you're going to need to take a chunk of time to resolve that issue, even if you can determine your blood sugar is 40 from a device that doesn't require a fingerstick.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Foghornleghorn » Sat May 14, 2016 8:13 pm

rcharter1978 wrote:
Foghornleghorn wrote:
they need to have some kind of call system in place with the medical staff so that if OP had a serious medical issue like this - again you can from one crazy bad low - you want to be able to have responders immediately know what's up.

Welp, I guess we need a team of surgeons on call for asthmatics because OMFG IF THEY STOP BREATHING THEY CANT HAZ OxyG3n and will die.
Aside from that, any rules regarding food should not apply to OP. I'd even say he should have a separate room,because if he has to take blood to see his blood sugar, it's probably a little embarrassing for him, and during a test, do you really want your neighbor to be pouring blood out next to you?
http://www.gluco-wise.com/

It's not 1956.

Quite frankly, you sound like a PTA mom that brandishes a principal's the use of the phrase 'black hole' as prima facie evidence of racism.
Its not 2020 either....the device you linked to is not on the market yet. You still need to finger prick to get an accurate reading. However, the amount of blood required is pretty tiny so you're not going to be pouring out blood, but the entire process takes time. But even being able to test discreetly doesn't mean that the result will be any better. If your blood sugar unexpectedly drops to 40 -- you're going to need to take a chunk of time to resolve that issue, even if you can determine your blood sugar is 40 from a device that doesn't require a fingerstick.
Valid point. I think there's an inquiry to be had here--- I just disagree that the outcome is as conclusive as others have made it out to be.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by rcharter1978 » Sun May 15, 2016 5:39 am

Foghornleghorn wrote:
rcharter1978 wrote:
Foghornleghorn wrote:
they need to have some kind of call system in place with the medical staff so that if OP had a serious medical issue like this - again you can from one crazy bad low - you want to be able to have responders immediately know what's up.

Welp, I guess we need a team of surgeons on call for asthmatics because OMFG IF THEY STOP BREATHING THEY CANT HAZ OxyG3n and will die.
Aside from that, any rules regarding food should not apply to OP. I'd even say he should have a separate room,because if he has to take blood to see his blood sugar, it's probably a little embarrassing for him, and during a test, do you really want your neighbor to be pouring blood out next to you?
http://www.gluco-wise.com/

It's not 1956.

Quite frankly, you sound like a PTA mom that brandishes a principal's the use of the phrase 'black hole' as prima facie evidence of racism.
Its not 2020 either....the device you linked to is not on the market yet. You still need to finger prick to get an accurate reading. However, the amount of blood required is pretty tiny so you're not going to be pouring out blood, but the entire process takes time. But even being able to test discreetly doesn't mean that the result will be any better. If your blood sugar unexpectedly drops to 40 -- you're going to need to take a chunk of time to resolve that issue, even if you can determine your blood sugar is 40 from a device that doesn't require a fingerstick.
Valid point. I think there's an inquiry to be had here--- I just disagree that the outcome is as conclusive as others have made it out to be.
I agree with that, and honestly, even if there was some sort of violation I don't know what the school could retroactively do that would be fair to remedy it. Does OP get a chance to take the exam again? Does he take a different exam? Is that really fair to the OP? But its also not fair to the rest of the class for the OP to take the same exam. And then if OP takes a different exam, how do you grade that exam in relation to all the others? Do you just give him some artificial grade bump? If so, how much of a grade bump, and how is that fair?

I guess you could shoot for something monetary, but I can't even imagine how that would really work, and what is that missed 20-40 minutes worth?

So, ultimately, I think the OP has done the best thing. He will take the hit on this one class (and who knows, it may just turn out to be a B- or something) and going forward he will have accommodations.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by HonestAdvice » Sun May 15, 2016 5:07 pm

Foghornleghorn wrote:
rcharter1978 wrote:
Foghornleghorn wrote:
they need to have some kind of call system in place with the medical staff so that if OP had a serious medical issue like this - again you can from one crazy bad low - you want to be able to have responders immediately know what's up.

Welp, I guess we need a team of surgeons on call for asthmatics because OMFG IF THEY STOP BREATHING THEY CANT HAZ OxyG3n and will die.
Aside from that, any rules regarding food should not apply to OP. I'd even say he should have a separate room,because if he has to take blood to see his blood sugar, it's probably a little embarrassing for him, and during a test, do you really want your neighbor to be pouring blood out next to you?
http://www.gluco-wise.com/

It's not 1956.

Quite frankly, you sound like a PTA mom that brandishes a principal's the use of the phrase 'black hole' as prima facie evidence of racism.
Its not 2020 either....the device you linked to is not on the market yet. You still need to finger prick to get an accurate reading. However, the amount of blood required is pretty tiny so you're not going to be pouring out blood, but the entire process takes time. But even being able to test discreetly doesn't mean that the result will be any better. If your blood sugar unexpectedly drops to 40 -- you're going to need to take a chunk of time to resolve that issue, even if you can determine your blood sugar is 40 from a device that doesn't require a fingerstick.
Valid point. I think there's an inquiry to be had here--- I just disagree that the outcome is as conclusive as others have made it out to be.
That has been awaiting FDA approval for like a decade. There's a business involved. Years ago we smuggled an insulin pump in from South America, as did literally 100s of other people. It's such night and day quality of life difference that it's really a no brainer to risk a modest fine smuggling one in. These things don't get approved not for medical reasons, but because they divert billions of dollars a year from other businesses.

It used to be that every few hours, a child would have to go to the nurse's office for her to whip out fresh insulin in a syringe and put it in the child. With the pump, the child just has to put in how many carbs they had, and never has to leave class. The rate of error was 6 times less, and the product had been approved throughout the world.

Going on a tangent about a Diabetes watch that's been talked about since literally like 1995 is dumb. The only reason insulin pumps became legal was because it got to the point where most doctors were advising people what countries to sneak insulin pumps in from, because the hypocratic oath and fda had become mutually exclusive. the product you're speaking about here will never get approved. it's not a night and day quality of life difference, and test strips are alone a multibillion dollar industry so the fda isn't going to mess with that.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Chrstgtr » Sun May 15, 2016 8:08 pm

If you haven't already, contact an attorney. This is pretty standard ADA/Section 504 stuff and the school should have had accommodations in place for you

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by El Pollito » Sun May 15, 2016 9:32 pm

Chrstgtr wrote:If you haven't already, contact an attorney. This is pretty standard ADA/Section 504 stuff and the school should have had accommodations in place for you
How can anyone say this without seeing OP's application for accommodations? lol

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Chrstgtr » Sun May 15, 2016 9:40 pm

El Pollito wrote:
Chrstgtr wrote:If you haven't already, contact an attorney. This is pretty standard ADA/Section 504 stuff and the school should have had accommodations in place for you
How can anyone say this without seeing OP's application for accommodations? lol
http://www.pacer.org/publications/adaqa/504.asp



Q. Are schools required to make testing accommodations for students with disabilities?

A. Yes. Schools must establish a process for making their tests accessible to people with disabilities. Schools can do this by providing appropriate accommodations to students with disabilities. Remember, each student's needs are individual, but examples of accommodations include allowing a student extended time to complete a test or providing a distraction-free space, sign language interpreters, readers, or alternative test formats. [Note: Testing accommodations are also required of agencies which administer college entrance exams, the agencies or businesses that administer licensure and certification tests that establish one's professional credentials such as bar exams, etc., and the businesses that offer classes to help individuals prepare to take these exams.

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by El Pollito » Sun May 15, 2016 11:05 pm

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Re: Type 1 Diabetes and exams

Post by Londonbear » Mon May 16, 2016 4:41 am

It's one exam. If law school has taught anything, it's that suing is a long, EXPENSIVE, stressful, and time consuming process. I would think that OP's time would be better invested studying for upcoming exams.

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