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[mootness]

I'll give you guys an analogy: if I wanted to protect an alcoholic from their self-inflicted harm, I'd force them to go to a rehabilitation center or join AA. If I didn't want to enable, I wouldn't supply them alcohol.

If your classmates are alcoholics there's a hotline for that

What's the hotline?

[lymenheimer]

I'll give you guys an analogy: if I wanted to protect an alcoholic from their self-inflicted harm, I'd force them to go to a rehabilitation center or join AA. If I didn't want to enable, I wouldn't supply them alcohol.

If your classmates are alcoholics there's a hotline for that

What's the hotline?

The hotline bling

[ManoftheHour]

I would consider not giving out my notes

lol

[dabigchina]

Op: you are being paranoid. The guy isn't trying to sabotage u. He just seems lazy and not that bright.

That being said, I would give him ur notes cause its not like he's gonna coast his way to good grades with them anyway.

[mootness]

? lol honestly so what. i have no ill feelings for the gunner who never shares their knowledge or notes. (i'm not actually one of those people because i'm naturally inclined to be helpful) i understand that i'm not entitled to my classmates' knowledge. i do have ill feelings for the gunner who goes out of their way to mislead their classmates, hoping classmates will fail. there's a big difference lol

[mootness]

Op: you are being paranoid. The guy isn't trying to sabotage u. He just seems lazy and not that bright.

That being said, I would give him ur notes cause its not like he's gonna coast his way to good grades with them anyway.

probably. i'm not even talking about a real situation involving notes. i'm talking about purely hypothetical situations.

[dabigchina]

Op: you are being paranoid. The guy isn't trying to sabotage u. He just seems lazy and not that bright.

That being said, I would give him ur notes cause its not like he's gonna coast his way to good grades with them anyway.

probably. i'm not even talking about a real situation involving notes. i'm talking about purely hypothetical situations.

either way, TLS can def make you think everybody is a gigantic gunner and any wrong answer they feed you is just them trying to troll you. that just doesn't seem like the case at all. there are a lot of lazy people just coasting by (at least at my school).

[heythatslife]

All I will say at this point is, lol @ all this squabbling over 1L clinic

[mootness]

All I will say at this point is, lol @ all this squabbling over 1L clinic

yeah it was kinda awkward

[pancakes3]

*shrug* nobody is comfortable 1L and no amount of [condescending] online gunner-shaming can fix that. Being backstabby, over-cramming, putting together 100-page outlines, etc. are just coping mechanisms from the fear of not knowing. If OP wants to skew on the side of not giving notes away, he/she's in her right to do so imo, especially as a 1L. Less of an excuse for a 2L and if you're still a note-hoarding schizo by 3L, well then God help ya.

[mootness]

I have nothing against fair gunners anyway, and i don't see why TLS has a problem either if gunners don't do anything deliberately to sabotage others.

[BizBro]

this thread delivered, 180.

The person might not be backstabbing you, and may be stupid. TCR = just don't heed his/her advice anymore. Also, no one gaf about some class notes. In the long run, it won't matter.

[sims1]

I don't see anything wrong with not wanting all your classmates that you're graded against to have your entire notes/outlines..

I think the idea academic sabotage is overblown from paranoia and overexcitement. It's pretty crazy to jeopardize your current and future relationships based on a 0.01% chance of getting a better grade.

[mootness]

this thread delivered, 180.

The person might not be backstabbing you, and may be stupid. TCR = just don't heed his/her advice anymore. Also, no one gaf about some class notes. In the long run, it won't matter.

i think some of it was backstabbing, like telling me not to apply and then applying themselves . some of it was stupidity and laziness, like sometimes they would literally invent the most bizarre answers for assessments and try to give me a lecture about how they're right. for another assignment we paired up on they pretended to forget their citation book, hoping i'd offer to do their citations. they also tried to copy my answers for an assignment they'd forgotten to do, which we were supposed to hand in during class.

i'm just glad i terminated this "help each other" relationship before midterms.

[mootness]

there was this other incident where we had this outline due on a sunday. they messaged me at 7 a.m., sounding kind of demanding and pissed... and told me i needed to talk about the outline with them. i messaged them as soon as i woke up and said i could talk whenever they wanted. they messaged back and said they were busy reading for another class, so i started researching. a few hours later, i asked them for feedback re: the research i'd done. after no reply, i asked again. finally they replied and said they'd been so sick and in bed all day! they told me to just submit what i had.

what the hell is up with this kind of behavior? it's obvious they're lying. why even bother to lie???

[zhenders]

I mean just cut ties. Don't return this person's texts, or just say you're busy when they want to discuss stuff. This doesn't sound like a gunning/not gunning issue; that person just sounds like a tool.

Make other friends.

[star fox]

Mainly people just talk a lot of shit behind people's back.

[landshoes]

everyone here is pretty chill, at least in my section. people don't even talk shit. it's a really good atmosphere so far.

[TheSpanishMain]

Moistness, you are just the weirdest dude. How did the blood feud with your LRW professor turn out?

[rcharter1978]

lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

My notes always looked like something from "A Beautiful Mind." Not that I was a genius, I just couldn't imagine them being helpful to anyone. So anyone could have my notes, it was the act of taking the notes that helped my grades. The same way the act of outlining helped me more than the actual outline. So anyone could have those.

But there are enough people in law school to bother with people who are weird. However I never wanted a lot of law school friends, and I was done with study groups after the first one.

[mootness]

Moistness, you are just the weirdest dude. How did the blood feud with your LRW professor turn out?

Haha, we're friends again.

[mootness]

lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

My notes always looked like something from "A Beautiful Mind." Not that I was a genius, I just couldn't imagine them being helpful to anyone. So anyone could have my notes, it was the act of taking the notes that helped my grades. The same way the act of outlining helped me more than the actual outline. So anyone could have those.

But there are enough people in law school to bother with people who are weird. However I never wanted a lot of law school friends, and I was done with study groups after the first one.

Haha, I agree actually. The process of making notes / outlines helps me a lot more than reading the notes themselves... Unless we had an open book exam and you can just copy / type the notes into the exam.

[totesTheGoat]

lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

My notes always looked like something from "A Beautiful Mind." Not that I was a genius, I just couldn't imagine them being helpful to anyone. So anyone could have my notes, it was the act of taking the notes that helped my grades. The same way the act of outlining helped me more than the actual outline. So anyone could have those.

But there are enough people in law school to bother with people who are weird. However I never wanted a lot of law school friends, and I was done with study groups after the first one.

Pretty much this. My notes are meant to bolster my understanding. I never ask for notes, and I'm reluctant to give my notes out. Not because somebody is going to beat me, but because my notes are worthless to anybody but me and other people's notes are worthless to me.

Perhaps it's because I'm in the evening program, but deliberate sabotage of a classmate isn't an issue. We're not particularly competitive, and we're usually very helpful to one another. Then again, most of the evening students have a little more perspective and grounded expectations. We're going to be seeing one another after graduation, so sabotaging a classmate would have a negative career impact. The bar isn't as big as you think, and you never know when the hiring partner at your dream firm is a friend of a colleague of one of your classmates. Two phone calls later, the hiring partner knows that you were a dick in law school who tried to sabotage somebody else.

I just don't understand the hyper-competitive gunners. You don't gain anything in the long-term by pissing your classmates off. Just be friendly with your classmates and go study for finals on your own.

[mootness]

lol learn to read, seriously bro. i said i would consider not giving out notes. i didn't say, "i would never give out notes". it really depends on circumstances re: why someone needs my notes and how often they ask.

My notes always looked like something from "A Beautiful Mind." Not that I was a genius, I just couldn't imagine them being helpful to anyone. So anyone could have my notes, it was the act of taking the notes that helped my grades. The same way the act of outlining helped me more than the actual outline. So anyone could have those.

But there are enough people in law school to bother with people who are weird. However I never wanted a lot of law school friends, and I was done with study groups after the first one.

Pretty much this. My notes are meant to bolster my understanding. I never ask for notes, and I'm reluctant to give my notes out. Not because somebody is going to beat me, but because my notes are worthless to anybody but me and other people's notes are worthless to me.

Perhaps it's because I'm in the evening program, but deliberate sabotage of a classmate isn't an issue. We're not particularly competitive, and we're usually very helpful to one another. Then again, most of the evening students have a little more perspective and grounded expectations. We're going to be seeing one another after graduation, so sabotaging a classmate would have a negative career impact. The bar isn't as big as you think, and you never know when the hiring partner at your dream firm is a friend of a colleague of one of your classmates. Two phone calls later, the hiring partner knows that you were a dick in law school who tried to sabotage somebody else.

I just don't understand the hyper-competitive gunners. You don't gain anything in the long-term by pissing your classmates off. Just be friendly with your classmates and go study for finals on your own.

One reason I would consider not giving out notes is so I'm not liable for mistakes I make... and they could even construe my innocent mistakes as me being a sabotager (this is a joke)! If i were note-taking I'd make sure I took really really good notes, which can be burdensome at times.

[Hand]

are your notes as awesome as your TLS threads? if so you should probably make them publicly available, for the good of mankind