Does being on journal really matter? Forum

[stressed2010]

Thanks for your response Operasoprano. would you say that people with stats near the part time medians still have a shot or does one need to be closer to the full time stats to get in?

[OperaSoprano]

Thanks for your response Operasoprano. would you say that people with stats near the part time medians still have a shot or does one need to be closer to the full time stats to get in?

Numbers are going up. You are more likely now to be WL'd or dinged if you aren't close to FT stats, unless you have some sort of hook (unusual or prestigious WE, generally speaking.) Due to class size, your odds of admission go up if you do what I didn't want to do (IE: retake) and apply to day, unless you truly want to be an evening student.

[Miniver]

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[reverendt]

Journals matter because most of them present you with a chance to get published.
That is always a plus on a resume.

[johnnyutah]

Journals matter because most of them present you with a chance to get published.

Journals do matter, but this is not why. If you want to get published, you can simply write an article on your own.

[ScaredWorkedBored]

Journals do matter, but this is not why. If you want to get published, you can simply write an article on your own.

You can run a write-in campaign for political office, so why bother getting a major party nomination? That's more or less your reasoning.

99.9% of what law students get published is their journal project.

[nealric]

I really enjoyed my time on journal. My journal's topic ended up being what I wanted to practice, so it was nice getting familiar with cutting edge issues in the topic. Also, I think it legitimately helped my writing skills (I was eventually an executive editor doing substantive editing). It was also a nice way to become part of a community. The work load wasn't bad at all except for a couple bad articles. Plus, my journal had free beer in the office

[johnnyutah]

Journals do matter, but this is not why. If you want to get published, you can simply write an article on your own.

You can run a write-in campaign for political office, so why bother getting a major party nomination? That's more or less your reasoning.

99.9% of what law students get published is their journal project.

I don't think being on a journal makes it much easier to get published. A high percentage of law student publications may come through journal membership, but I think this relationship is correlative rather than causative (i.e., the kinds of people who want to publish are also the kinds of people who want to be on a journal).

[Anonymous Loser]

Journals do matter, but this is not why. If you want to get published, you can simply write an article on your own.

You can run a write-in campaign for political office, so why bother getting a major party nomination? That's more or less your reasoning.

99.9% of what law students get published is their journal project.

I don't think being on a journal makes it much easier to get published. A high percentage of law student publications may come through journal membership, but I think this relationship is correlative rather than causative (i.e., the kinds of people who want to publish are also the kinds of people who want to be on a journal).

Many (perhaps most) journals will not accept student submissions from non-members.

[Adjudicator]

I don't think being on a journal makes it much easier to get published. A high percentage of law student publications may come through journal membership, but I think this relationship is correlative rather than causative (i.e., the kinds of people who want to publish are also the kinds of people who want to be on a journal).

Which of the following, if true, most weakens the argument?

A)

Many (perhaps most) journals will not accept student submissions from non-members.

[ScaredWorkedBored]

Journals do matter, but this is not why. If you want to get published, you can simply write an article on your own.

You can run a write-in campaign for political office, so why bother getting a major party nomination? That's more or less your reasoning.

99.9% of what law students get published is their journal project.

I don't think being on a journal makes it much easier to get published. A high percentage of law student publications may come through journal membership, but I think this relationship is correlative rather than causative (i.e., the kinds of people who want to publish are also the kinds of people who want to be on a journal).

You don't seem to understand how the process works. Journals will ordinarily pick 6-8 student pieces for publication from their 2L members. These are the "notes" and "comments." This is ordinarily the only way for you to get published in one of your school's journals as a student. Of the journals at my school, only one of the journals even allowed non-member students to submit. To my knowledge, no one ever got published that way.

If you're not getting published in your own school, it's extremely difficult unless you are co-writing with a professor to get published in another school's journal. The reason this is ordinarily considered a mark of COA clerks & future academics is that it's rare. While I'm sure no actual compiled numbers exist, there would also have to be a strong overlap between people who are on a home journal and publishing elsewhere. No other course in law school actually teaches you how to write a journal article, let alone does draft review & feedback. Doing all of this yourself would be easily as massive a time commitment as a journal, and you still are fighting an uphill battle to get published because a lot of journals take the "professional author" category reasonably seriously.

[worldtraveler]

Journals do matter, but this is not why. If you want to get published, you can simply write an article on your own.

You can run a write-in campaign for political office, so why bother getting a major party nomination? That's more or less your reasoning.

99.9% of what law students get published is their journal project.

I don't think being on a journal makes it much easier to get published. A high percentage of law student publications may come through journal membership, but I think this relationship is correlative rather than causative (i.e., the kinds of people who want to publish are also the kinds of people who want to be on a journal).

You don't seem to understand how the process works. Journals will ordinarily pick 6-8 student pieces for publication from their 2L members. These are the "notes" and "comments." This is ordinarily the only way for you to get published in one of your school's journals as a student. Of the journals at my school, only one of the journals even allowed non-member students to submit. To my knowledge, no one ever got published that way.

If you're not getting published in your own school, it's extremely difficult unless you are co-writing with a professor to get published in another school's journal. The reason this is ordinarily considered a mark of COA clerks & future academics is that it's rare. While I'm sure no actual compiled numbers exist, there would also have to be a strong overlap between people who are on a home journal and publishing elsewhere. No other course in law school actually teaches you how to write a journal article, let alone does draft review & feedback. Doing all of this yourself would be easily as massive a time commitment as a journal, and you still are fighting an uphill battle to get published because a lot of journals take the "professional author" category reasonably seriously.

This is different depending on which school you attend. Shocking, I know.

[johnnyutah]

You don't seem to understand how the process works. Journals will ordinarily pick 6-8 student pieces for publication from their 2L members. These are the "notes" and "comments." This is ordinarily the only way for you to get published in one of your school's journals as a student. Of the journals at my school, only one of the journals even allowed non-member students to submit. To my knowledge, no one ever got published that way.

If you're not getting published in your own school, it's extremely difficult unless you are co-writing with a professor to get published in another school's journal. The reason this is ordinarily considered a mark of COA clerks & future academics is that it's rare. While I'm sure no actual compiled numbers exist, there would also have to be a strong overlap between people who are on a home journal and publishing elsewhere. No other course in law school actually teaches you how to write a journal article, let alone does draft review & feedback. Doing all of this yourself would be easily as massive a time commitment as a journal, and you still are fighting an uphill battle to get published because a lot of journals take the "professional author" category reasonably seriously.

You know how many journals there are? You can shit out an article in a week and probably get it published somewhere. It might not be somewhere prestigious or notable, but it's still getting published.

[ScaredWorkedBored]

You don't seem to understand how the process works. Journals will ordinarily pick 6-8 student pieces for publication from their 2L members. These are the "notes" and "comments." This is ordinarily the only way for you to get published in one of your school's journals as a student. Of the journals at my school, only one of the journals even allowed non-member students to submit. To my knowledge, no one ever got published that way.

If you're not getting published in your own school, it's extremely difficult unless you are co-writing with a professor to get published in another school's journal. The reason this is ordinarily considered a mark of COA clerks & future academics is that it's rare. While I'm sure no actual compiled numbers exist, there would also have to be a strong overlap between people who are on a home journal and publishing elsewhere. No other course in law school actually teaches you how to write a journal article, let alone does draft review & feedback. Doing all of this yourself would be easily as massive a time commitment as a journal, and you still are fighting an uphill battle to get published because a lot of journals take the "professional author" category reasonably seriously.

You know how many journals there are? You can shit out an article in a week and probably get it published somewhere. It might not be somewhere prestigious or notable, but it's still getting published.

Look, you want to keep talking yourself into "I didn't really make a big mistake by skipping a journal, they're all a bunch of morons doing boring work," and remain divorced from reality, go ahead. I'm not wasting time with this "I believe X regardless of facts because X better be true for me" crap. You hate journals, we get it. That doesn't make what you are saying remotely intelligent.

[ResolutePear]

You don't seem to understand how the process works. Journals will ordinarily pick 6-8 student pieces for publication from their 2L members. These are the "notes" and "comments." This is ordinarily the only way for you to get published in one of your school's journals as a student. Of the journals at my school, only one of the journals even allowed non-member students to submit. To my knowledge, no one ever got published that way.

If you're not getting published in your own school, it's extremely difficult unless you are co-writing with a professor to get published in another school's journal. The reason this is ordinarily considered a mark of COA clerks & future academics is that it's rare. While I'm sure no actual compiled numbers exist, there would also have to be a strong overlap between people who are on a home journal and publishing elsewhere. No other course in law school actually teaches you how to write a journal article, let alone does draft review & feedback. Doing all of this yourself would be easily as massive a time commitment as a journal, and you still are fighting an uphill battle to get published because a lot of journals take the "professional author" category reasonably seriously.

You know how many journals there are? You can shit out an article in a week and probably get it published somewhere. It might not be somewhere prestigious or notable, but it's still getting published.

Look, you want to keep talking yourself into "I didn't really make a big mistake by skipping a journal, they're all a bunch of morons doing boring work," and remain divorced from reality, go ahead. I'm not wasting time with this "I believe X regardless of facts because X better be true for me" crap. You hate journals, we get it. That doesn't make what you are saying remotely intelligent.

Going to concur. If you have a chance at a journal or law review spot, it's going to pay off in the future.

Although I will question: Do your peers and faculty support you in writing articles for other journals while skipping on their journals? I think not.

Besides, I thought you had to be somebody with a JD(i.e. professor) to get published outside of the 'Notes'.

[Renzo]

You know how many journals there are? You can shit out an article in a week and probably get it published somewhere. It might not be somewhere prestigious or notable, but it's still getting published.

Do you know how many shit articles are floating around, looking (unsuccessfully) for someone, anyone, to publish them? It would blow your mind.