1L grade waiting thread Forum

[Helmholtz]

ITT quakeroats outs himself as somebody who doesn't understand social norms.

Didn't that happen a long time ago?

This is true. Maybe the best wording would have been "....reinforces his reputation as..."

[Lawless25]

And Finally Crim Law grades are in for fordham night program....

[09042014]

Seems that way. Hey quakeroats, why not buy a shirt one day to wear to your future job that has your salary on it? By your logic, the fact that you have a big office would give it away anyway, so why not just get it out in the open?

I'm hoping that quaker's lack of social prowess makes him/her unemployable.

Do you know who bragged about grades?

Corsair.

[bomedtheLSAT101]

Although I knew that grading is a f'n dumpster fire, the arbitrariness is really crazy for the cluster of grades in the middle (for us 2.75 to 3.25). I think that scores of 3.25+ were certainly the best and those below 2.75 were likely dogshit exams; however, the difference among those in the mid-range is a joke

How did you do your first semester?

[GATORTIM]

Although I knew that grading is a f'n dumpster fire, the arbitrariness is really crazy for the cluster of grades in the middle (for us 2.75 to 3.25). I think that scores of 3.25+ were certainly the best and those below 2.75 were likely dogshit exams; however, the difference among those in the mid-range is a joke

How did you do your first semester?

not too bad, but not too good either - top third. I really need to tweak some habits this semester.

[quakeroats]

There are plenty of times in life where you're (1) directly competing with others and (2) allowed to talk with them about how you've done and what you've accomplished. Why there and not here? What makes law school different than sports, business, or law?

Hmm. Maybe because there might very well come a time when you, who acted like a douchebag in law school and bragged about your grades, are sitting before a judge who just happens to be a law school classmate who didn't have such good grades and remembers you being a pompous ass?

Grades should be treated as a private matter. Unless someone asks, then tell them. If they don't want to hear the answer, they shouldn't ask the question.

Yes, but why? You've mentioned how bragging about grades could hurt you and concluded that they're private, but you haven't mentioned why talking (as opposed to bragging) about grades isn't appropriate (as opposed to whether it can hurt you which I'll grant you) when similar talk happens in the contexts I mentioned and even in law school with public information (law review, firm, moot court competitions, published work, etc.). Why should grades any different?

ITT quakeroats outs himself as somebody who doesn't understand social norms.

I understand them. I just don't like this particular one.

[02122015]

One more day for us, apparently. Odds I sleep poorly tonight... pretty high.

[quakeroats]

There are plenty of times in life where you're (1) directly competing with others and (2) allowed to talk with them about how you've done and what you've accomplished. Why there and not here? What makes law school different than sports, business, or law?

Hmm. Maybe because there might very well come a time when you, who acted like a douchebag in law school and bragged about your grades, are sitting before a judge who just happens to be a law school classmate who didn't have such good grades and remembers you being a pompous ass?

Grades should be treated as a private matter. Unless someone asks, then tell them. If they don't want to hear the answer, they shouldn't ask the question.

Yes, but why? You've mentioned how bragging about grades could hurt you and concluded that they're private, but you haven't mentioned why talking (as opposed to bragging) about grades isn't appropriate (as opposed to whether it can hurt you which I'll grant you) when similar talk happens in the contexts I mentioned and even in law school with public information (law review, firm, moot court competitions, published work, etc.). Why should grades any different?

Because we are on all on a curve and if you do well, it means someone else has to do badly. And doing badly in lawl skool can have huge consequences because of how expensive it is. A few grading points here or there can be the difference between 160k (or at least having flexibility with what you get to do at graduation) and 30k/unemployment.

I have probably been one of the worst offenders in this thread, but I still wouldn't go telling my classmates my grades in person (mainly because at least I'm semi-anonymous here) unless they asked or are my good friends that I talk about that kind of thing with.

How is that any different with law review? Making law review affects career prospects but is perfectly acceptable to talk about.

[traehekat]

How is that any different with law review? Making law review affects career prospects but is perfectly acceptable to talk about.

Isn't it generally known who is on law review, and thus who isn't on law law review?

[quakeroats]

How is that any different with law review? Making law review affects career prospects but is perfectly acceptable to talk about.

Isn't it generally known who is on law review, and thus who isn't on law law review?

Yes, which is my larger point. The only reason grades aren't talked about is because they aren't public knowledge so people have to start threads on TLS to get any real information about them. If the information is public nobody minds talking about it.

[td6624]

How is that any different with law review? Making law review affects career prospects but is perfectly acceptable to talk about.

Isn't it generally known who is on law review, and thus who isn't on law law review?

Yes, which is my larger point. The only reason grades aren't talked about is because they aren't public knowledge so people have to start threads on TLS to get any real information about them. If the information is public nobody minds talking about it.

uh, no shit?

i'll try to make an analogy. it's like kids who could potentially go on and on about how much money their dad makes. of course if they go on some sweet vacation, they're expected to share stories about it with friends when they get back. that doesn't mean they should be telling all of their friends all the time that their dad rakes in $10 million a year. if you cannot see this difference, then you really don't understand what's going on here.

[swc65]

My Ks professor sent an email at 1:30 this morning saying he submitted grades. I have changed my mind. I do not want any grades now. Please just take them back. I dont want to see it. It is going to be terrible, I just know it!

[quakeroats]

How is that any different with law review? Making law review affects career prospects but is perfectly acceptable to talk about.

Isn't it generally known who is on law review, and thus who isn't on law law review?

Yes, which is my larger point. The only reason grades aren't talked about is because they aren't public knowledge so people have to start threads on TLS to get any real information about them. If the information is public nobody minds talking about it.

uh, no shit?

i'll try to make an analogy. it's like kids who could potentially go on and on about how much money their dad makes. of course if they go on some sweet vacation, they're expected to share stories about it with friends when they get back. that doesn't mean they should be telling all of their friends all the time that their dad rakes in $10 million a year. if you cannot see this difference, then you really don't understand what's going on here.

1. Going on and on is different than mentioning and being all right with discussing.
2. I think we can agree that social conventions aren't necessarily good. I'd just prefer more information over less here. Especially considering that publicly available proxies for grades make it pretty easy to get a general feel for how someone did.

[td6624]

I think most people would agree that this particular social convention is good.

[quakeroats]

I think most people would agree that this particular social convention is good.

If so, they sure are having trouble articulating good reasons for it. Hurt feelings are about it so far.

[FlightoftheEarls]

I think we can agree that social conventions aren't necessarily good.

Nobody is disputing that. However, nobody but yourself seems to have trouble grasping why this one isn't an issue. Individuals on Law Review are discovered not through choice, but typically because a list of those who made it is circulated. Or because it affects their daily schedules/when they return to campus. In the case of Moot Court, the school circulates a list. Even book awards often comes out through a school-circulated list, so that's one situation where it isn't near as awkward. However, this isn't the case with most people's grades. It's entirely possible to make it all the way through law school without anyone knowing your grades - people can guess based on your firm, but nobody needs to know what you got in Civ Pro.

For example, many people on here from Michigan know who I am. For that reason, I will never share my grades on these boards, except in the rare circumstances where I may openly complain if/when I get poor ones. Not surprisingly, mentioning poor grades goes over much better than mentioning stellar grades - even if you say it in the same manner, people with not-so-great grades will feel that talking about good grades is simply a person boasting. Whether you feel that you're boasting or not is entirely irrelevant. If you're a person sitting on a significantly sub-median GPA and you hear somebody else talking about how they're around top 20%, it's going to sound like they're boasting. Whether they think they are just sharing objective facts is irrelevant to how their perceived.

[FlightoftheEarls]

I think most people would agree that this particular social convention is good.

If so, they sure are having trouble articulating good reasons for it. Hurt feels are about it so far.

And why is hurt feelings not a perfectly legitimate reason for a social convention?

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

1. Going on and on is different than mentioning and being all right with discussing.
2. I think we can agree that social conventions aren't necessarily good. I'd just prefer more information over less here. Especially considering that publicly available proxies for grades make it pretty easy to get a general feel for how someone did.

Would anyone in your office (at your last job) have minded if your boss had posted the payroll/salary/bonus of every person working?

Some information should simply not be public knowledge without the consent of the person it belongs to.

[stayway]

1. This wait is killing me
2. This wait is getting realllllllllllll old
3. I think my school is trying to fuck with my SA application process
4. 3 because I have some recommendations from profs due 21st and they'll only write when grades come out.
5. My school is filled with bunch of bastards.
6. Yes, I'm livid.

[swc65]

1. This wait is killing me
2. This wait is getting realllllllllllll old
3. I think my school is trying to fuck with my SA application process
4. 3 because I have some recommendations from profs due 21st and they'll only write when grades come out.
5. My school is filled with bunch of bastards.
6. Yes, I'm livid.

My grade has been posted for two hours and i seriously cannot look. I have never felt more like a pussy!

[beach_terror]

1. This wait is killing me
2. This wait is getting realllllllllllll old
3. I think my school is trying to fuck with my SA application process
4. 3 because I have some recommendations from profs due 21st and they'll only write when grades come out.
5. My school is filled with bunch of bastards.
6. Yes, I'm livid.

My grade has been posted for two hours and i seriously cannot look. I have never felt more like a pussy!

Just do it, bitch. Then come brag about your A.

[swc65]

1. This wait is killing me
2. This wait is getting realllllllllllll old
3. I think my school is trying to fuck with my SA application process
4. 3 because I have some recommendations from profs due 21st and they'll only write when grades come out.
5. My school is filled with bunch of bastards.
6. Yes, I'm livid.

My grade has been posted for two hours and i seriously cannot look. I have never felt more like a pussy!

Just do it, bitch. Then come brag about your A.

Yeah, I finally did and it was an A for Ks. Im totally friggin shocked.

[beach_terror]

Yeah, I finally did and it was an A for Ks. Im totally friggin shocked.

Just so you know, I just died a little bit inside.

[stayway]

Yeah, I finally did and it was an A for Ks. Im totally friggin shocked.

That's it. if I get a notification that my grades are posted, I'm not going to check for 2 hours. Maybe I'll get some A's and be shocked. (damn you and congrats)

[swc65]

Yeah, I finally did and it was an A for Ks. Im totally friggin shocked.

That's it. if I get a notification that my grades are posted, I'm not going to check for 2 hours. Maybe I'll get some A's and be shocked. (damn you and congrats)

Thanks!