Pot smokers in law school Forum

[A'nold]

How does most bars view marijuana charges? Do they drug test anywhere prior to granting admission? I have never smoked it but I am curious about these what the possible ramifications of a charge could be.

LULZ at this post. Anyway, it seems weird to me that law students smoke pot on a regular basis. I just can't see how that'd be easy to explain to the bar, especially getting caught buying weed. Why risk it while you are in law school? UG record, high school record, etc. you can say "was in the past" but if you are caught while in law school........

[mac.empress]

So, let me see if I understand. When applying to L school all criminal charges (not convictions) must be disclosed to see if you're "fit" to be a lawyer, but then smoking dope is ok? So, it isn't illegal behavior that determines "fitness" only getting caught?

No hypocrisy here?

None whatsoever.

[SwollenMonkey]

Smoking pot is so stupid. If you really want to ruin your entire life for a hit of Mary J do it. No telling who will drug test you and basically ruin your entire law school investment. I find it comical that there are people in a top 14 law school smoking pot however I wouldn't suggest glorifying it because YOU made it out. Some kids can't handle all the chemical reactions THC causes in ones brain on top of studying. If your smoking pot in law school and getting away with it...your days are numbered and you should drop that habit. lol your probably smoking crack if someone offers you

Your a retard.

You're a retard. Fixed.

[SgtLebowski]

Great thread.. but the real problem is freebasing cocaine.

And I do NOT freebase cocaine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ckIv1tiaU

[DukeHopeful]

Great thread.. but the real problem is freebasing cocaine.

And I do NOT freebase cocaine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-ckIv1tiaU

Hahaha that video is great.

[bilbobaggins]

This chart compiled a bunch of research on drug harm:

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Pretty straight forward.

Here's another one:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/122/ ... ullve4.jpg

Heroin is, indeed, considered the most destructive, with cocaine close behind. Alcohol is considered more harmful than any of the other drugs being discussed.

[somewhatwayward]

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what is the source for that chart, and how did they operationalize physical harm, social harm, etc?

there's some stuff that is being hidden by the way they categorized the drugs. for example, they presumably collapsed crack and cocaine into one category (they have the same active ingredient), but crack ends up causing a lot more social harm and has a higher risk of dependence than cocaine HCl (assuming the cocaine is not smoked or injected but possibly even then). this harm is mitigated by averaging that social harm/risk of dependence with the social harm/risk of dependence of sporadic cocaine use among the millions of college kids and yuppies.

likewise, i'm assuming methamphetamine falls under the amphetamine category, but that leads to a drastic understatement of its risk as well. methamphetamine causes pretty severe damage to the dopamine system, and its risk of dependence and negative social consequences are well known. however, when you average those with the much-less-extreme risks/effects of high school/college kids, soccer moms, professionals, etc abusing amphetamine (ie, adderall), the fact that methamphetamine is a very harmful drug is not properly represented.

when i was talking about 'worst' drug, i was referring to the worst drug pharmacologically (ie, what causes the most physical damage when administered regularly in its pure form), essentially, what is the worst drug in a social vaccuum? (i used to study pharmacology) ultimately, the effects of the drug in its social context are what matters for making policy, etc, of course.

it's just that when people who binge drink regularly are, like, 'OH NOEZ it's teh heroin!!!!!!!' it is potentially a little hypocritical. i would argue that binge drinking over time is harder on the body than using opiates, possibly heroin, regularly over time. that argument could certainly be contended, but my point is that damage from alcohol and damage from heroin are not as different as people assume.

[bilbobaggins]

^
what is the source for that chart, and how did they operationalize physical harm, social harm, etc?

there's some stuff that is being hidden by the way they categorized the drugs. for example, they presumably collapsed crack and cocaine into one category (they have the same active ingredient), but crack ends up causing a lot more social harm and has a higher risk of dependence than cocaine HCl (assuming the cocaine is not smoked or injected but possibly even then). this harm is mitigated by averaging that social harm/risk of dependence with the social harm/risk of dependence of sporadic cocaine use among the millions of college kids and yuppies.

likewise, i'm assuming methamphetamine falls under the amphetamine category, but that leads to a drastic understatement of its risk as well. methamphetamine causes pretty severe damage to the dopamine system, and its risk of dependence and negative social consequences are well known. however, when you average those with the much-less-extreme risks/effects of high school/college kids, soccer moms, professionals, etc abusing amphetamine (ie, adderall), the fact that methamphetamine is a very harmful drug is not properly represented.

when i was talking about 'worst' drug, i was referring to the worst drug pharmacologically (ie, what causes the most physical damage when administered regularly in its pure form), essentially, what is the worst drug in a social vaccuum? (i used to study pharmacology) ultimately, the effects of the drug in its social context are what matters for making policy, etc, of course.

it's just that when people who binge drink regularly are, like, 'OH NOEZ it's teh heroin!!!!!!!' it is potentially a little hypocritical. i would argue that binge drinking over time is harder on the body than using opiates, possibly heroin, regularly over time. that argument could certainly be contended, but my point is that damage from alcohol and damage from heroin are not as different as people assume.

They definitely collapse crack and cocaine and meth.

Heroin, if administered correctly, is definitely less dangerous physically than alcohol. But, you have to factor in the social harm. There are way more functioning alcoholics than heroin addicts.

Which is not to say that one can't be a functioning heroin addict.

[NotMyRealName09]

I have a friend who smoked pot daily and was #1 in his class first semester.

Surprisingly, federal judicial internships didn't drug test, neither do summer associate positions at large firms in town. Hmmm.

I do agree that if you get caught, you are fucked.

[NotMyRealName09]

"Smokin', snortin', shootin', suckin', tokin', poppin', droppin'. . ."

hehe, man I miss that guy

[NotMyRealName09]

The undercurrent of "pot makes school harder" in this thread just cracks me up.

Pot doesn't make you stupid.

Regular drinking is way worse for you than regular smoking.

A lot of these comments come from this weird, American place where we have this bizarre belief that there is some sort of 100% healthy standard and that we must optimize our lives in order to reach this standard. It's the sort of "oh shit I'll never take any risks because I might not get that $160k Skadden job and I'll have to settle for a V50 firm" that cracks me up and also makes me sad.

And yes, please pass the crack.

Please pass the mediocrity. You're right, we should just shit on our dreams. I mean, why set high standards for yourself?

Perhaps the point was that all of the "clean living" still doesn't guarantee you'll get the job over the doobie smoking surfer who was top 'o his class. Sometimes life is about stopping and enjoying the flowers instead of spending all our days being uptight douchebags who never once stopped to have fun. Life isn't just about the future, sometimes its about the moment.

[twert]

This chart compiled a bunch of research on drug harm:

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Pretty straight forward.

Here's another one:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/122/ ... ullve4.jpg

Heroin is, indeed, considered the most destructive, with cocaine close behind. Alcohol is considered more harmful than any of the other drugs being discussed.

having done nearly all those drugs, i think whoever made this graph is really really wrong.

[ToadGoDead]

Heroin is the worst drug ever.

I agree. Ecstasy comes in at a close second.

why is ecstasy second ?

[hibachi7_7_7]

Frequent ecstasy use actually starts to like, rot your brain. They can get by normally in public but you could definitely tell they're not "all there". At least most people who smoke a lot of weed or even do a lot of blow. You see lots of people who do coke and then go to rehab and go on to live perfectly normal lives. You could never really do well in law school or as a lawyer if you abused ecstasy.

[youpiiz]

the near-perfect correlation between dependence and physical harm makes me skeptical.

[Leeroy Jenkins]

the near-perfect correlation between dependence and physical harm makes me skeptical.

what about?

[youpiiz]

the credibility of that chart

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That chart looks like a piece of shit some middle schooler made one hour after he learned how to make charts in excel

seriously...theres not even a title

[youpiiz]

you know, its not all about looks

[Leeroy Jenkins]

you know, its not all about looks

NO U R WRONG

[youpiiz]

NO U R WRONG

NO U R WRONG

[Leeroy Jenkins]

NO U R WRONG

NO U R WRONG

whatev, the chart clearly supports the suggestion that you should start using marijuana as a way to ween yourself off tobacco

[youpiiz]

[AR75]

At this point in time, this thread has a STRONG finish. Well played.

[MD622]

To the 30-post fellow who decided to troll the thread: Stop, or I'll ban you.

seriously?

overreaction much?

Not at all. Who wants a self-righteous lecturer on a message board? Same thing with the girl who said "OMG YOU GOT A DUI I HOPE YOU NEVER GET INTO LAW SCHOOL YOU ARE SATAN AND DESERVE TO DIE" to some guy. I mean, don't agree with people's life choices but stfu about your opinion that has to be right because you and your parents think it is.

So well said. I can clearly picture the seeds of such simple mindedness being planted around a boring dinner table. Drugs = bad. Alcohol = bad. Sex = bad. Bla bla