NYU or Columbia from T4?

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CivProGunner12b

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NYU or Columbia from T4?

Post by CivProGunner12b » Mon May 18, 2020 10:24 pm

My cumulative GPA is 4.03 with two more grades to come for the semester, so I am sure I will be in the range for their 509s.

But do I even have a shot coming from a T4? (My undergrad and LSAT are far from impressive too).

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Re: NYU or Columbia from T4?

Post by Pennoyer v. Meh » Mon May 18, 2020 10:32 pm

Undergrad and LSAT won't matter. Do people from you school ever get in to NYU or Columbia? That'll give you some sense of your chances, although the GPA does help.

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Re: NYU or Columbia from T4?

Post by CivProGunner12b » Mon May 18, 2020 11:59 pm

Pennoyer v. Meh wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:32 pm
Undergrad and LSAT won't matter. Do people from you school ever get in to NYU or Columbia? That'll give you some sense of your chances, although the GPA does help.
No one from my school does, but I also don't think they apply. But it also doesn't look like either school is taking T3/T4s based on 509.

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Re: NYU or Columbia from T4?

Post by KPUSN07 » Tue May 19, 2020 9:12 am

CivProGunner12b wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:24 pm
My cumulative GPA is 4.03 with two more grades to come for the semester, so I am sure I will be in the range for their 509s.

But do I even have a shot coming from a T4? (My undergrad and LSAT are far from impressive too).
What is your class rank?

No mando P/F for the Spring Semester? Where are your LoRs from?

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Re: NYU or Columbia from T4?

Post by CivProGunner12b » Wed May 20, 2020 2:00 pm

KPUSN07 wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 9:12 am
CivProGunner12b wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:24 pm
My cumulative GPA is 4.03 with two more grades to come for the semester, so I am sure I will be in the range for their 509s.

But do I even have a shot coming from a T4? (My undergrad and LSAT are far from impressive too).
What is your class rank?

No mando P/F for the Spring Semester? Where are your LoRs from?
Class rank for fall was #2. No Mando P/F for spring, but optional. So far I have 2 A+ one of which was a high paper. Hoping the other grades come in strong too. I have a LOR from my fav fall prof who said it was "particularly strong," one letter from the dean who was a fall prof, the associate dean who was a spring prof, and a letter from my boss of 4 years (she showed me the letter and it's very strong).

Is it overkill to submit all 4 papers? I was also wondering if I should ask the prof I got high paper in for a letter and swap it out for the fall dean since I suspect his could have been more generic since he tried to discourage me from transferring and had his assistant do it.

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Re: NYU or Columbia from T4?

Post by decimalsanddollars » Wed May 20, 2020 2:17 pm

I don't personally think it makes sense to submit more than two LORs (perhaps 3 if the school allows it). I do think you have a chance, although because there's not really any kind of pipeline from your school to either Columbia or NYU, you may face a disadvantage. If you're at or above 4.0 (or, say, still top 3-5 students) when the chips fall, I think your chance at getting into at least one school is about 50/50.

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Re: NYU or Columbia from T4?

Post by KPUSN07 » Sun May 24, 2020 8:50 am

CivProGunner12b wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 2:00 pm
KPUSN07 wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 9:12 am
CivProGunner12b wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:24 pm
My cumulative GPA is 4.03 with two more grades to come for the semester, so I am sure I will be in the range for their 509s.

But do I even have a shot coming from a T4? (My undergrad and LSAT are far from impressive too).
What is your class rank?

No mando P/F for the Spring Semester? Where are your LoRs from?
Class rank for fall was #2. No Mando P/F for spring, but optional. So far I have 2 A+ one of which was a high paper. Hoping the other grades come in strong too. I have a LOR from my fav fall prof who said it was "particularly strong," one letter from the dean who was a fall prof, the associate dean who was a spring prof, and a letter from my boss of 4 years (she showed me the letter and it's very strong).

Is it overkill to submit all 4 papers? I was also wondering if I should ask the prof I got high paper in for a letter and swap it out for the fall dean since I suspect his could have been more generic since he tried to discourage me from transferring and had his assistant do it.
So if I were you at a T4 - I would submit the max LORs assuming they were all strong, b/c based on your school you need every inch of help possible.

Employment one is a must - I suspect schools want to see that you are employable.
2 of your Law School Profs sound strong; one sounds somewhat "meh", so maybe toss that aside if the assistant did it.

So as of now, I'd submit the three strongest ones and if you can get a strong fourth from the Spring semester, then go that route; if not, roll with what you got (NYU only allows three anyways).

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Re: NYU or Columbia from T4?

Post by CivProGunner12b » Tue May 26, 2020 9:24 pm

KPUSN07 wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 8:50 am
CivProGunner12b wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 2:00 pm
KPUSN07 wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 9:12 am
CivProGunner12b wrote:
Mon May 18, 2020 10:24 pm
My cumulative GPA is 4.03 with two more grades to come for the semester, so I am sure I will be in the range for their 509s.

But do I even have a shot coming from a T4? (My undergrad and LSAT are far from impressive too).
What is your class rank?

No mando P/F for the Spring Semester? Where are your LoRs from?
Class rank for fall was #2. No Mando P/F for spring, but optional. So far I have 2 A+ one of which was a high paper. Hoping the other grades come in strong too. I have a LOR from my fav fall prof who said it was "particularly strong," one letter from the dean who was a fall prof, the associate dean who was a spring prof, and a letter from my boss of 4 years (she showed me the letter and it's very strong).

Is it overkill to submit all 4 papers? I was also wondering if I should ask the prof I got high paper in for a letter and swap it out for the fall dean since I suspect his could have been more generic since he tried to discourage me from transferring and had his assistant do it.
So if I were you at a T4 - I would submit the max LORs assuming they were all strong, b/c based on your school you need every inch of help possible.

Employment one is a must - I suspect schools want to see that you are employable.
2 of your Law School Profs sound strong; one sounds somewhat "meh", so maybe toss that aside if the assistant did it.

So as of now, I'd submit the three strongest ones and if you can get a strong fourth from the Spring semester, then go that route; if not, roll with what you got (NYU only allows three anyways).
Needing all the help I can get is exactly what I was thinking. One of the strong ones was from Spring semester, luckily. Thank you for the input!

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Re: NYU or Columbia from T4?

Post by CivProGunner12b » Tue May 26, 2020 9:25 pm

decimalsanddollars wrote:
Wed May 20, 2020 2:17 pm
I don't personally think it makes sense to submit more than two LORs (perhaps 3 if the school allows it). I do think you have a chance, although because there's not really any kind of pipeline from your school to either Columbia or NYU, you may face a disadvantage. If you're at or above 4.0 (or, say, still top 3-5 students) when the chips fall, I think your chance at getting into at least one school is about 50/50.
I'm hoping to stay top 3-5 students (currently #2) and fingers crossed for staying above 4.0. 50/50 is a shot I'm willing to take. Didn't even have a chance applying first round. Thanks for the thoughts!

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