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WashU to T14

Post by KunAgnis » Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:01 am

Hey guys, I wanted some advice.
I just got my 1st semester grades (3.82, which is between 10% and 15% based on my school's previous curves).

I receive 32k/yr but I want to transfer to Harvard, Columbia, Northwestern, or Stanford. The reason being, I feel that this move would greatly increase my chances of snagging Big Law and because of the prestige. Furthermore, I feel like my school has trouble doing well in markets I like (such as NYC or Chicago or DC).

Supposing that I perform similarly for the 2nd semester, would any of these transfers be possible and if so, how likely? Any advice and thoughts (including why I shouldn't) are much appreciated.

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Re: WashU to T14

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Re: WashU to T14

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by PourMeTea » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:33 am

You can get CCN and definitely NW with those grades.

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by Nebby » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:04 pm

The exodus begins.

You should apply to:

GULC
NU
NYU
UChi
CLS

UVA and Stanford are black boxes and I think an app is wasted there

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by kingpin101 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:09 pm

Damn are there any top WUSTL students who don't want to transfer?

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by Nebby » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:11 pm

kingpin101 wrote:Damn are there any top WUSTL students who don't want to transfer?
Maybe like 3. Unless you want to work in STL, there's no reason not to transfer if you can get into T6 and you want BigLaw, imo

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by Br3v » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:12 pm

Nebby wrote:
kingpin101 wrote:Damn are there any top WUSTL students who don't want to transfer?
Maybe like 3. Unless you want to work in STL, there's no reason not to transfer if you can get into T6 and you want BigLaw, imo
What percentile at WUSTL is relatively NY Biglaw "secure"?

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by PourMeTea » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:15 pm

Br3v wrote:
Nebby wrote:
kingpin101 wrote:Damn are there any top WUSTL students who don't want to transfer?
Maybe like 3. Unless you want to work in STL, there's no reason not to transfer if you can get into T6 and you want BigLaw, imo
What percentile at WUSTL is relatively NY Biglaw "secure"?
maybe 5%. people significantly below that got great biglaw gigs, of course, but striking out is pretty indiscriminate.

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by PourMeTea » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:16 pm

WUSTL > transfer is like plan B when retake > ED UVA doesn't work out

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by PourMeTea » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:17 pm

Nebby wrote: UVA and Stanford are black boxes and I think an app is wasted there
Cornell is also a wasted app. I literally never heard back from them.

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by pancakes3 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:21 pm

Doesn't UVA only take like 1 transfer a year?

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by Nebby » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:27 pm

pancakes3 wrote:Doesn't UVA only take like 1 transfer a year?
Like 10, and almost all are from VA schools or people with strong VA ties

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by Br3v » Thu Jan 07, 2016 1:48 pm

PourMeTea wrote:WUSTL > transfer is like plan B when retake > ED UVA doesn't work out
Haha higher risk but probably a cheaper option

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by PeanutsNJam » Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:37 pm

Brut wrote:what is up with your list
u want nyc so u have cls, but not nyu?
u want chi, so u have northwestern, but not uchi?
u want dc but don't have uva, where d.c. is the second-most common destination for grads?
and u put in an app to stanford, so i assume u want cali, but no berkeley? unless it's a prestige thing, but then u don't want yale?
OP wants a school where the name is only one word. Knows he's not getting Yale.

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by PourMeTea » Thu Jan 07, 2016 4:38 pm

PeanutsNJam wrote: OP wants a school where the name is only one word. Knows he's not getting Yale.
tbh this is noticeable at firm receptions and if your nametag says "[school] law school" on it, you're boned

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by KunAgnis » Thu Jan 07, 2016 8:53 pm

PourMeTea wrote:
PeanutsNJam wrote: OP wants a school where the name is only one word. Knows he's not getting Yale.
tbh this is noticeable at firm receptions and if your nametag says "[school] law school" on it, you're boned
Could you explain this? Do you mean that whoever remembered me at previous receptions will think of me negatively for transferring?

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by barkschool » Thu Jan 07, 2016 9:38 pm

kingpin101 wrote:Damn are there any top WUSTL students who don't want to transfer?
wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_human_migration

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by sox49 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:10 pm

Given that so many wustl students at the top transfer, how should we interpret job numbers? If this didn't happen in such large numbers, would their biglaw numbers be significantly better?

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by sox49 » Thu Jan 07, 2016 10:55 pm

Brut wrote:
sox49 wrote:Given that so many wustl students at the top transfer, how should we interpret job numbers? If this didn't happen in such large numbers, would their biglaw numbers be significantly better?
oci interviewers are generally given grade guidelines
ostensibly if it really was the case that a large percentage of top wustl ppl transferred out, it would lower the number of CBs offered at the more selective firms, lowering job numbers

current job placement numbers are c/o 2014
c/o 2014 matriculated in 2011, meaning their transfer cycle ended in 2012
wustl's 2012 509 indicates 18 transfers out

from this we can recalculate wustl's bl+fc, which i will do here, assuming the most favorable scenario for wustl for purposes of demonstration
that is, i'll assume 100% of the 18 transfers stayed and got bl/fc positions, and none of those jobs displaced positions for other wustl students
2014 bl/fc is 31.4%
with the transfers added back in, it's 35.9%

again, i gave wustl the rosiest scenario possible
i would take an educated guess and say that transfers out probably affect bl/fc by a couple of percentage points, but not enough to make a serious impact w/r/t choosing, unless one is truly on the fence
Thanks, I wasn't considering that the class of 2017 had an unusual amount of transfers.

Is it easier to transfer for up from washu than for similarly ranked schools like gwu or nd? Or is it just that a lot of folks go there with the intent of moving up?

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by chingwoo » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:10 am

Would you be satisfied with Chicago? Ed seems like a good move if you are risk averse.

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by PourMeTea » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:43 am

sublime wrote:
Obviously going through it, PMT would have a much better idea as far as your odds than I would.
I haven't heard of anyone (out of 30? 40?) transfers who struck out at OCI.

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Re: WashU to T14

Post by barkschool » Fri Jan 08, 2016 1:46 am

sox49 wrote: Thanks, I wasn't considering that the class of 2017 had an unusual amount of transfers.

Is it easier to transfer for up from washu than for similarly ranked schools like gwu or nd? Or is it just that a lot of folks go there with the intent of moving up?
It probably isn't easier or harder to transfer from any of the WUSTL similar schools. I assume future living/ working scenarios have much more to do with it.

A top GWU student may not gain much at OCI by driving down the street and will still reside in DC.

However, a WUSTL student has to remain in St. Louis.

While a UT student most likely wants to remain in Texas, so they might not transfer at all.

ND — no idea.

Emory — maybe they love Atlanta.
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