Penn v. NYU v. Chicago Forum

[Anonymous User]

Hey all, would really appreciate any insight you can provide, was looking into these three schools and not sure which to attend (haven't heard from Columbia)

No interest in academia, but would like to do biglaw, preferably something in sports (altho I know it's unlikely) but DO NOT want to work in NY, would it be stupid to do NYU?

I know Chicago obviously places well in IL, but I'm not entirely sure where I want to practice, and I'm leaning slightly toward Florida.

I'd really appreciate any advice you could give me!!

Thanks and good luck to all!!!

[WheninLaw]

Need cost of each.

[FloridaCoastalorbust]

how could we give u an answer w/o any scholarship info and no info about your aversion to debt?

solid anon use too!

[jphiggo]

Isn't this premature until you hear from Columbia?

[sandwhich]

Need cost of each.

I'm not OP, but it's going to be 2 years of sticker for all, which should be roughly equivilant (i think). COL is another matter. NY > Chicago > Philly I believe.

Oh, and as for Chicago placement, Chicago places well everywhere, not just Illinois.

[WheninLaw]

Need cost of each.

I'm not OP, but it's going to be 2 years of sticker for all, which should be roughly equivilant (i think). COL is another matter. NY > Chicago > Philly I believe.

Then none.

[jphiggo]

NY > Chicago > Philly I believe.

I'd say that's accurate.

[Gamecockfan]

I personally hope you choose penn or chicago to open up a spot for me at NYU lol. --> I am biased here, but it does seem silly to pay the COL of new york which I am seeing as at least 2,000 a month for housing only if you don't want to end up there. You could probably end up close to the same COL in Chicago depending on your tastes. Tuition is a nominal difference. No wrong decision here in terms of long-term name recognition. (if you want an MBA later or perhaps dual-degree Chicago's and Penn's are better than NYU's even tho NYU's is excellent for feeding into NYU)

[sandwhich]

I personally hope you choose penn or chicago to open up a spot for me at NYU lol. --> I am biased here, but it does seem silly to pay the COL of new york which I am seeing as at least 2,000 a month for housing only if you don't want to end up there. You could probably end up close to the same COL in Chicago depending on your tastes. Tuition is a nominal difference. No wrong decision here in terms of long-term name recognition. (if you want an MBA later or perhaps dual-degree Chicago's and Penn's are better than NYU's even tho NYU's is excellent for feeding into NYU)

Because of reasons I've done extensive research into Chicago living. You can live "comfortably" for anywhere from $800/month to as high as you want. For $2000 a month you should be living like a king in Hyde Park. As far as Chicago's dual MBA program, that will be nearly impossible to get into as a transfer (apparently). I know this because it's been a running topic with admitted transfer students.

[Gamecockfan]

I personally hope you choose penn or chicago to open up a spot for me at NYU lol. --> I am biased here, but it does seem silly to pay the COL of new york which I am seeing as at least 2,000 a month for housing only if you don't want to end up there. You could probably end up close to the same COL in Chicago depending on your tastes. Tuition is a nominal difference. No wrong decision here in terms of long-term name recognition. (if you want an MBA later or perhaps dual-degree Chicago's and Penn's are better than NYU's even tho NYU's is excellent for feeding into NYU)

Because of reasons I've done extensive research into Chicago living. You can live "comfortably" for anywhere from $800/month to as high as you want. For $2000 a month you should be living like a king in Hyde Park. As far as Chicago's dual MBA program, that will be nearly impossible to get into as a transfer (apparently). I know this because it's been a running topic with admitted transfer students.

Ah okay, I tried to move to Chicago at one time, and I saw some high prices. But that was a quick experience that failed, and I didn't really get to dig into it. Dual-degree may be out, but it could still help if he ever wanted an MBA. Should have an advantage in applications if he gets the scores they need being alumni. (same for NYU, Penn) But we are back to the fact that Ny is likely much more expensive COL than both places.

[chuckbass]

Fwiw if you're looking for biglaw, there aren't many SA spots across FL and isn't something you can count on from any school/with any grades. Not being willing to work in NYC cuts you off from most of the available biglaw jobs, so hopefully you bid/massmail another major market.

[A. Nony Mouse]

how could we give u an answer w/o any scholarship info and no info about your aversion to debt?

solid anon use too!

It's a poster talking about their own transfer choices. Of course they can post anon.

[A. Nony Mouse]

Need cost of each.

I'm not OP, but it's going to be 2 years of sticker for all, which should be roughly equivilant (i think). COL is another matter. NY > Chicago > Philly I believe.

Then none.

Then no one would ever transfer. The OP may be paying sticker now, too, for all anyone knows.

[Jmart082]

Fwiw if you're looking for biglaw, there aren't many SA spots across FL and isn't something you can count on from any school/with any grades. Not being willing to work in NYC cuts you off from most of the available biglaw jobs, so hopefully you bid/massmail another major market.

I'd go with Chicago in this situation, but to speak to the Florida situation, Scotti is absolutely right. It's a complete crapshoot here, and grades/prestige tend to take a backseat to SOLID connections. Employers tend to be very insular, and love hiring from the state schools. Also, being bilingual is almost an absolute must. All of that notwithstanding, go to Chicago.

[WheninLaw]

Need cost of each.

I'm not OP, but it's going to be 2 years of sticker for all, which should be roughly equivilant (i think). COL is another matter. NY > Chicago > Philly I believe.

Then none.

Then no one would ever transfer. The OP may be paying sticker now, too, for all anyone knows.

Totally missed that this was in the transfer forum - thought it was a 0L. My apologies. Come to Chicago.

[chuckbass]

Fwiw if you're looking for biglaw, there aren't many SA spots across FL and isn't something you can count on from any school/with any grades. Not being willing to work in NYC cuts you off from most of the available biglaw jobs, so hopefully you bid/massmail another major market.

I'd go with Chicago in this situation, but to speak to the Florida situation, Scotti is absolutely right. It's a complete crapshoot here, and grades/prestige tend to take a backseat to SOLID connections. Employers tend to be very insular, and love hiring from the state schools. Also, being bilingual is almost an absolute must. All of that notwithstanding, go to Chicago.

Yeah basically any secondary market is a crapshoot, hence the TLS advice is generally to bid NYC heavily.

[Ron Howard]

Chicago.

[sandwhich]

Come to Chicago with us! We're totally not dweebs or anything

[FloridaCoastalorbust]

u didnt list ur a transfer wtf

[felinafelina]

u didnt list ur a transfer wtf

Look at what forum you're in.

[Anonymous User]

Hey guys, thanks for all the advice thus far, and sorry I didn't post I was a transfer (I just assumed...you know...being in the transfer part of the forum and all)

Thanks for the points about NYC, and I know that cuts me off a bunch, but I guess id like to know if anyone has experience in terms of the mobility of the two degrees. Does NYU place well outside of NY? (LST says 70% go to NY but that could be self selecting)

Also everyone talks about T6, is there any basis for that? I mean penn is 7, we're not talking like Charles Barkley School of Law here.

[sandwhich]

Hey guys, thanks for all the advice thus far, and sorry I didn't post I was a transfer (I just assumed...you know...being in the transfer part of the forum and all)

Thanks for the points about NYC, and I know that cuts me off a bunch, but I guess id like to know if anyone has experience in terms of the mobility of the two degrees. Does NYU place well outside of NY? (LST says 70% go to NY but that could be self selecting)

Also everyone talks about T6, is there any basis for that? I mean penn is 7, we're not talking like Charles Barkley School of Law here.

My favorite prof went to Penn, and he's brilliant. You shouldn't make the decision based on US News' arbitrary ranking system (once you've cracked the T14, anyway) it should be based on where you want to live/work.

To answer your question more directly, I think any of the three will grant you sufficient mobility to have a decent shot at any major market in the country.

[Ron Howard]

Hey guys, thanks for all the advice thus far, and sorry I didn't post I was a transfer (I just assumed...you know...being in the transfer part of the forum and all)

Thanks for the points about NYC, and I know that cuts me off a bunch, but I guess id like to know if anyone has experience in terms of the mobility of the two degrees. Does NYU place well outside of NY? (LST says 70% go to NY but that could be self selecting)

Also everyone talks about T6, is there any basis for that? I mean penn is 7, we're not talking like Charles Barkley School of Law here.

T6, a term invented on TLS, is more of a term for admission standards than anything else, and it signals "elite" employment more than simply big law employment. Penn and Cornell have big law employment on par with the T6. But I would say the T6 is still superior in that "elite" firms will dig deeper into the class. To the extent that elite firms have better exit options, one would be wise to chose a T6 at equal cost over a non-T6.

Since you don't want to work in New York, I strongly recommend Chicago. It will likely give you the best options outside of NYC, and probably outside of of the NE as well. Chicago is probably the most portable of the three schools, and I think it is the best choice, though non are bad.

[chuckbass]

You have to remember though that you're not a native T14 student, and should adjust bids and goals accordingly. Your 1L schools and grades/rank are still very important.

[CanadianWolf]

Another approach: Research the law firm bios of Holland & Knight attorneys.

P.S. Among the three options, Chicago is the safest, in my opinion.