Hofstra --> Cardozo Forum

DrakeTempt · Post by **DrakeTempt** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:26 pm

A T-2 to borderline T-1 school transfer make any sense? I was admitted to DOZO with a 3.6 GPA. I'm confined to schools in the NYC region. Got dinged by Fordham, which I felt was the only school in the area outside of NYU/Columbia to justify a transfer. Going to school and living in or near the city has some allure. I understand DOZO will likely be a more enriching experience given that the profs, progs, students are of somewhat higher quality. If I choose to transfer to DOZO, how do you think OCI recruiters or prosp. employers will view this? It's not a substantial jump in rankings. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

TLSwag · Post by **TLSwag** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:31 pm

DrakeTempt wrote:A T-2 to borderline T-1 school transfer make any sense? I was admitted to DOZO with a 3.6 GPA. I'm confined to schools in the NYC region. Got dinged by Fordham, which I felt was the only school in the area outside of NYU/Columbia to justify a transfer. Going to school and living in or near the city has some allure. I understand DOZO will likely be a more enriching experience given that the profs, progs, students are of somewhat higher quality. If I choose to transfer to DOZO, how do you think OCI recruiters or prosp. employers will view this? It's not a substantial jump in rankings. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

do you have scholarship $$? can you get scholarship $$? what is your class rank? (and also find out how your class rank can translate to OCI opportunities at Hofstra)... personally off the top of my head, i don't think i could justify a transfer to cardozo. the placement power is just not there. i don't think it would drastically change any of your prospects.

DrakeTempt · Post by **DrakeTempt** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:33 pm

And YES, I've already considered dropping out entirely. In fact, I am still considering dropping out. It all depends on whether or not I can secure a 2L firm job.

DrakeTempt · Post by **DrakeTempt** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:35 pm

No scholarships. And if I leverage my acceptance, I can't imagine getting anything substantial like 10K+. Thus, I am not going to factor scholarships into my decision-making.

TLSwag · Post by **TLSwag** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:36 pm

DrakeTempt wrote:And YES, I've already considered dropping out entirely. In fact, I am still considering dropping out. It all depends on whether or not I can secure a 2L firm job.

why would you drop out with a 3.6 gpa? is that not like top 10ish%?

tbh, i don't know shit about hofstra so it could still be TCR haha... but i gotta ask what the FUCK were you thinking last year deciding to go to hofstra if top 10% still warranted dropping out? i mean ya can't do TOO much better then that.

(unless u went in with the transfer gameplan, which in that case, u shoulda found TLS first

)

TLSwag · Post by **TLSwag** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:38 pm

DrakeTempt wrote:No scholarships. And if I leverage my acceptance, I can't imagine getting anything substantial like 10K+. Thus, I am not going to factor scholarships into my decision-making.

okay well if no scholarship, then why not transfer??? did you research OCI process at cardozo for transfer students?? if you get the same opportunities and you will be viewed with your impressive class ranking at hofstra, i guess that's the move..

harmonep14 · Post by **harmonep14** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:50 pm

I will be a 2L at Hofstra. I finished 1L in the top 1%, made law review, etc. I also applid to Fordham, in addition to NYU and CLS. However, I've already decided that, even if I were admitted to Fordham at this point, I wouldn't go because I'll likely not have better prospects at Fordham as a transfer than saying at Hofstra with a high rank, law review, and 25k in scholarships. However, in your situation, you may as well transfer. I don't know if your prospects will be very much better at Cardozo, but if you want to live and go to school in the city, it makes sense if you aren't getting any scholarship money. I also found the city alluring, and just decided to move to Brooklyn and commute to Hofstra. It would certainly be more convenient to be at a school in the city, but staying where I'm at seems like the best move, unless I'm accepted to NYU/CLS.

TLSwag · Post by **TLSwag** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:53 pm

harmonep14 wrote:I will be a 2L at Hofstra. I finished 1L in the top 1%, made law review, etc. I also applid to Fordham, in addition to NYU and CLS. However, I've already decided that, even if I were admitted to Fordham at this point, I wouldn't go because I'll likely not have better prospects at Fordham as a transfer than saying at Hofstra with a high rank, law review, and 25k in scholarships. However, in your situation, you may as well transfer. I don't know if your prospects will be very much better at Cardozo, but if you want to live and go to school in the city, it makes sense if you aren't getting any scholarship money. I also found the city alluring, and just decided to move to Brooklyn and commute to Hofstra. It would certainly be more convenient to be at a school in the city, but staying where I'm at seems like the best move, unless I'm accepted to NYU/CLS.

this.

Meep13 · Post by **Meep13** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:05 pm

DrakeTempt wrote:A T-2 to borderline T-1 school transfer make any sense? I was admitted to DOZO with a 3.6 GPA. I'm confined to schools in the NYC region. Got dinged by Fordham, which I felt was the only school in the area outside of NYU/Columbia to justify a transfer. Going to school and living in or near the city has some allure. I understand DOZO will likely be a more enriching experience given that the profs, progs, students are of somewhat higher quality. If I choose to transfer to DOZO, how do you think OCI recruiters or prosp. employers will view this? It's not a substantial jump in rankings. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Meep13 · Post by **Meep13** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:11 pm

harmonep14 wrote:I will be a 2L at Hofstra. I finished 1L in the top 1%, made law review, etc. I also applid to Fordham, in addition to NYU and CLS. However, I've already decided that, even if I were admitted to Fordham at this point, I wouldn't go because I'll likely not have better prospects at Fordham as a transfer than saying at Hofstra with a high rank, law review, and 25k in scholarships. However, in your situation, you may as well transfer. I don't know if your prospects will be very much better at Cardozo, but if you want to live and go to school in the city, it makes sense if you aren't getting any scholarship money. I also found the city alluring, and just decided to move to Brooklyn and commute to Hofstra. It would certainly be more convenient to be at a school in the city, but staying where I'm at seems like the best move, unless I'm accepted to NYU/CLS.

I also applied to NYU/CLS. Still waiting to hear back from both. Good luck to you. Even if we don't get in, we are in a very good position at Hofstra right now and we should be able to get a good SA position for 2013. Plus the extra scholarship money Hofstra gave us definitely didn't hurt.

TLSwag · Post by **TLSwag** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:13 pm

Meep13 wrote:
DrakeTempt wrote:A T-2 to borderline T-1 school transfer make any sense? I was admitted to DOZO with a 3.6 GPA. I'm confined to schools in the NYC region. Got dinged by Fordham, which I felt was the only school in the area outside of NYU/Columbia to justify a transfer. Going to school and living in or near the city has some allure. I understand DOZO will likely be a more enriching experience given that the profs, progs, students are of somewhat higher quality. If I choose to transfer to DOZO, how do you think OCI recruiters or prosp. employers will view this? It's not a substantial jump in rankings. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Just wanted to give my thoughts here. I go to Hofstra and I was ranked #1 in the class and I, too, have put in transfer applications. I honestly don't think transferring is a good idea in your position. You would lose all the relationships you have made with teahcers and peers and you basically need to start all over again. If you transfer to DOZO, the firms at OCI are still going to view you as a Hofstra student. Your 3.6 GPA is based on Hofstra standards, not DOZO. For our OCI, you are one of about 40 students who these employers are really interested in. As long as you nail your interviews, I couldn't imagine why you wouldn't get an offer from at least one firm.

Did you make a journal? and what kind of law do you wanna do? If you wanna do Biglaw, then you deifnitely have a shot where you are at Hofstra. I doubt any of us have a shot at a V10 or even V20 firm (although the #1 ranked student last year is currently a SA for Latham & Watkins). I have done a lot of reasearch about past alumni and where they currently are employed, and V50-V100 firms employ the top students (15% and up- which im guessing is about where you rank?)

However, the fact that you have no money at Hofstra doesn't give you much of a reason to stay, other than your GPA at the school. Can you keep your GPA if you decided to trasnfer to DOZO?

Additionally, why are you considering dropping out when you have finished so high in the class?

This actually sounds like more solid advice in hindsight. shoulda gone with my first reaction that the Dozo transfer isn't worth it cuz of lack of placement power. Won't be contributing anything substantially worthwhile for OCI opportunities; what was really tripping me up was the lack of scholarship. You need to negotiate with Hofstra & explain to them you can transfer to higher ranked schools and would really like to stay, but want to make the cost of attendance more reasonable. explain to them you are worried about the debt and you would be forgoing larger representation at OCI, prestige, etc. to remain at the school, and merit aid could resolve that.

But what I really want to know is also (as I said before as well):

Additionally, why are you considering dropping out when you have finished so high in the class?

harmonep14 · Post by **harmonep14** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:21 pm

Meep13 wrote:
harmonep14 wrote:I will be a 2L at Hofstra. I finished 1L in the top 1%, made law review, etc. I also applid to Fordham, in addition to NYU and CLS. However, I've already decided that, even if I were admitted to Fordham at this point, I wouldn't go because I'll likely not have better prospects at Fordham as a transfer than saying at Hofstra with a high rank, law review, and 25k in scholarships. However, in your situation, you may as well transfer. I don't know if your prospects will be very much better at Cardozo, but if you want to live and go to school in the city, it makes sense if you aren't getting any scholarship money. I also found the city alluring, and just decided to move to Brooklyn and commute to Hofstra. It would certainly be more convenient to be at a school in the city, but staying where I'm at seems like the best move, unless I'm accepted to NYU/CLS.
I also applied to NYU/CLS. Still waiting to hear back from both. Good luck to you. Even if we don't get in, we are in a very good position at Hofstra right now and we should be able to get a good SA position for 2013. Plus the extra scholarship money Hofstra gave us definitely didn't hurt.

It seems like all of the top people at Hofstra applied to NYU/CLS. There's someone in the NYU thread that was 1/355 at a school in the 80s, so I assumed Hofstra. Were there two of you at #1?

Meep13 · Post by **Meep13** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:24 pm

harmonep14 wrote:
Meep13 wrote:
harmonep14 wrote:I will be a 2L at Hofstra. I finished 1L in the top 1%, made law review, etc. I also applid to Fordham, in addition to NYU and CLS. However, I've already decided that, even if I were admitted to Fordham at this point, I wouldn't go because I'll likely not have better prospects at Fordham as a transfer than saying at Hofstra with a high rank, law review, and 25k in scholarships. However, in your situation, you may as well transfer. I don't know if your prospects will be very much better at Cardozo, but if you want to live and go to school in the city, it makes sense if you aren't getting any scholarship money. I also found the city alluring, and just decided to move to Brooklyn and commute to Hofstra. It would certainly be more convenient to be at a school in the city, but staying where I'm at seems like the best move, unless I'm accepted to NYU/CLS.
I also applied to NYU/CLS. Still waiting to hear back from both. Good luck to you. Even if we don't get in, we are in a very good position at Hofstra right now and we should be able to get a good SA position for 2013. Plus the extra scholarship money Hofstra gave us definitely didn't hurt.
It seems like all of the top people at Hofstra applied to NYU/CLS. There's someone in the NYU thread that was 1/355 at a school in the 80s, so I assumed Hofstra. Were there two of you at #1?

That was me. The dean's office told me they don't assign multiple students the same rank in the top 5%. They some how figure out a way to differentiate students- even with the same GPA.

Just out of curiousity, If you got into NYU/CLS, would you trasnfer?

Meep13 · Post by **Meep13** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:29 pm

harmonep14 · Post by **harmonep14** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:31 pm

I would, 100% certain. But, I think it's unheard of for NYU/ CLS to take more than one person from Hofstra, so I'm not feeling very good about my chances.

Meep13 · Post by **Meep13** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:33 pm

Did you talk to Hofstra about negotiating a bigger scholarship?

harmonep14 · Post by **harmonep14** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:35 pm

No, I was only going to if I was accepted somewhere.

Meep13 · Post by **Meep13** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:39 pm

I am not so sure if I would transfer. To be honest, I have no idea when we will hear back from NYU/CLS. The longer it takes, the less I am considering it. If it goes into August, I doubt I would transfer. I just think it would be cutting it too close to OCI.

harmonep14 · Post by **harmonep14** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:11 pm

I'm not really interested in Biglaw, so OCI isn't a big deal to me.

harmonep14 · Post by **harmonep14** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:15 pm

I wish I had applied more broadly though. At least one person from our class got into GULC.

Meep13 · Post by **Meep13** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:55 pm

yeah but I heard they got in ED and applied with their 1st semester grades.

Good luck to you though. I really don't think I will be transferring, even if I do get in (which seems like a long shot at this time).

Tandre · Post by **Tandre** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:39 pm

What about going from Touro to Brooklyn or Cardozo? I'm currently at Touro ( have scholarship, but they won't increase it and have made LR), and most likely going to transfer. I have been accepted to Brooklyn and Cardozo, still waiting to hear from Fordham, which will be a rejection. Should I definitely transfer (also should mention that I don't really care about working for a large firm)?

DrakeTempt · Post by **DrakeTempt** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:50 pm

Thank you all for the input and advice. I attended Hofstra with the intent to transfer and/or secure a 2L SA at a large firm. If I can't do the latter after completing 1L, I am very doubtful of my chances of doing so after 2L or upon graduation. Part of this risk is being somewhat hedged by the fact that I have a business that does quite well. I will be extremely disappointed if I can't accomplish those two goals. Part of this journey was really out of sheer competitiveness. I've been an entrepreneur for almost five years before law school, and I've always craved for the opportunity to compete on some graduate level platform. Anyways, if I fail I will cut my losses and move on. I understand everyone has different goals but my goal is simply to get my foot in the door at some decent sized firm, accumulate experience, and run my own shop as an exit strategy.

Danteshek · Post by **Danteshek** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:55 pm

I think you should transfer to Fordham (or higher) regardless of whether you can secure a 2L SA between now and decision time. You'll get a better education and make better contacts. You won't have as much explaining to do.

Meep13 · Post by **Meep13** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:43 pm

Tandre wrote:What about going from Touro to Brooklyn or Cardozo? I'm currently at Touro ( have scholarship, but they won't increase it and have made LR), and most likely going to transfer. I have been accepted to Brooklyn and Cardozo, still waiting to hear from Fordham, which will be a rejection. Should I definitely transfer (also should mention that I don't really care about working for a large firm)?

Transfer. Unless you are number one in the class, I would definitely transfer. You are competing for jobs (presumably) against students from nearly 10 different schools ranked higher than Touro (NYU, CLS, Cornell, Brooklyn, Fordham, Dozo, Hofstra, St. John's etc.). It will be extremely difficult to get any type of job, and Biglaw is basically not an option at Touro, even if you wanted it to be. The fact that Touro is unwilling to give you any money is shocking, quite frankly, and shows how the school values their top students. Consider your acceptances a gift, and go to a school that is 120 spots higher and kick ass your second and third year. Leave Touro behind.

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