Please Advise (because I really don't know) Forum

[rshakle]

I'm almost top 25% (between top 25% and top 30% to be more precise) at my current Chicago T2 (lets say Kent)

Do I have a realistic shot at transferring to UIUC or Wash U?
WUSTL has an early action program that states that top 20-25% applicants are competitive, is it worth it to apply since I am currently slightly out of that category?

If UIUC and Wash U are out of range, what are my chances at Iowa, Bloomington, Madison, OSU, Notre Dame?

Please don't consider whether transferring would make sense in my particular case, I'm simply asking where (generally) I can expect to be able to transfer given my stats.


Any help would be appreciated.

[dissonance1848]

Why Kent? Chicago Loyola, don't deny it. Around top quarter should have some shot at WUSTL and UIUC, much better chance at IUB, OSU, not sure about ND.

[uzpakalis]

Prob not in at WUSTL. Wait until you get spring grades and then apply at all of them. It's only money, and if you don't you'll always wonder what COULD have been...

[rshakle]

I'm certainly not concerned with the application fees and will definitely apply to all of them. The only question left is should I apply now (early) or regular (and try to better my 28%)? This has got me stumped.

Advice appreciated.

[rshakle]

To clarify, I would hate to apply to WUSTL early only to be rejected early when I can try to better my top28-29% rank after second semester.

I would love to go to WUSTL and do not want to ruin my chances by applying too early. On the other hand, early action may make it easier to get in. I wonder if they reject borderline early action applicants or waitlist them and consider them with the regular transfer applications in June. IS anyone more familiar with the process?

[patrickd139]

OP: you realize T2 Chicago schools and WUSTL serve different legal markets, yes? Picture it as the Venn Diagram below. A is T2 Chicago job market served, B is WUSTL job market served. C is the overlap.

My point is, if you want market A, make sure you know you're going from A to B.
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[rshakle]

Yes I am aware, although I would argue that that the overlap is a little larger than your diagram would seem to indicate. Regardless, I'm not married to the Chicago market and will likely (if my grades improve sufficiently) apply to schools in completely different markets. I have a few reasons for wanting out of my current school, and am basically interested in knowing which schools I should be targeting with my current grades. As strange as it sounds, I'm open to considering great schools in any market.

In the short term I'm targeting UIUC and WUSTL though.

[uzpakalis]

I would wait until the spring. Work on getting your GPA up, and then apply with a straight face.

[ToTransferOrNot]

Magic 8 Ball Says: Not likely. Top 30% isn't good enough to move up. If you end up with top 10-15% cumulative (which would require a top 1-5% performance in your second semester,) you may have a shot.

Ultimately, it's just money for a few application fees, but eh.

[patrickd139]

Yes I am aware, although I would argue that that the overlap is a little larger than your diagram would seem to indicate. Regardless, I'm not married to the Chicago market and will likely (if my grades improve sufficiently) apply to schools in completely different markets. I have a few reasons for wanting out of my current school, and am basically interested in knowing which schools I should be targeting with my current grades. As strange as it sounds, I'm open to considering great schools in any market.

In the short term I'm targeting UIUC and WUSTL though.

As to the bolded, I would argue not really. According to WUSTL's own career services numbers, only 16% of its graduates from the class of 2008 ended up in "East North Central States". Even assuming that 100% of that 16% went to Chicago (an absurd assumption, as that 16% is spread out across IL, IN, MI, OH, and WI), that's still not a lot. It's even smaller percentage wise if you want biglaw.

Again, not saying you shouldn't transfer, just realize what you're likely to get (and not get) in doing so. If you want Chicago (esp. biglaw, but even mid-law) I wouldn't do it.