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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by toothbrush » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:58 pm

speedtracer wrote:I'm trying to figure out how much to weigh as a pro for HLS the fact that they have a Cyber Law clinic. It sounds right up my alley, and like a lot of fun, but I'm not sure how much of a professional benefit it would be for me. At UF, none of our clinics even sort of relate to a field I'm interested in, so I've never really checked into the benefits of getting involved in a clinic
can you practice cyber law in FL

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by speedtracer » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:04 pm

toothbrush wrote:
speedtracer wrote:I'm trying to figure out how much to weigh as a pro for HLS the fact that they have a Cyber Law clinic. It sounds right up my alley, and like a lot of fun, but I'm not sure how much of a professional benefit it would be for me. At UF, none of our clinics even sort of relate to a field I'm interested in, so I've never really checked into the benefits of getting involved in a clinic
can you practice cyber law in FL
I would imagine there is some sort of market, although not the type that you'd find in, say, CA

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by eastcoast_iub » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:19 pm

That Harvard degree will confer a lifetime of intangible benefits that are hard to quantify in money terms right now. You need to freaking go to Harvard. That is a privilege.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by toothbrush » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:32 pm

acrossthelake wrote: I actually do agree that there are other benefits to Harvard. I don't think they'll manifest if he plans to go back to Florida after graduation, though.

The Cyber Law clinic isn't a reason in isolation to pick Harvard. It's cool and all, but as rad noted, not worth $100K.
no one is really debating this, cept rad and DF prob. of course there is in tangible lifetime priceless benefits to H, but he wants to be in fl 100% so there's no point to the H benefits.

(this is not meant to come off aggressive to you)

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by eastcoast_iub » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:17 am

rad lulz wrote:
eastcoast_iub wrote:That Harvard degree will confer a lifetime of intangible benefits that are hard to quantify in money terms right now. You need to freaking go to Harvard. That is a privilege.
Yeah you will have the benefit of being able to tell people you went to school "in Boston, well, near Boston, no, not Tufts." Priceless.

Seriously this argument is ridicuous
You are ignorant if you think that name won't carry a lot of weight in a prestige-obsessed profession like the law. Like that name won't have a visceral influence on certain people who are responsible for hiring. Like you won't establish valuable connections with people who will be very influential later in life.

What Tufts has anything to do with anything I don't know. Say something meaningful or STFU.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by speedtracer » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:23 am

It also sucks that they don't tell you how much grant aid you'd get until after you accept

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by jrf12886 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:28 am

If UF gave you a full ride and a stipend I might say its a close call. But absent that, you know the correct decision. Go to H.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by mw115 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:38 am

eastcoast_iub wrote:You are ignorant if you think that name won't carry a lot of weight in a prestige-obsessed profession like the law. Like that name won't have a visceral influence on certain people who are responsible for hiring. Like you won't establish valuable connections with people who will be very influential later in life.

What Tufts has anything to do with anything I don't know. Say something meaningful or STFU.
You are ignorant of culture.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 ... b_get.html

I will say that anyone who responds to the name Harvard with a chubby isn't someone I want to be working with.
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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by speedtracer » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:40 am

jrf12886 wrote:If UF gave you a full ride and a stipend I might say its a close call. But absent that, you know the correct decision. Go to H.
This is sort of the problem. My gut tells me that H is the right decision - but I think it's mostly for the prestige. I think it's mostly because my gut can't really fathom a situation in which H isn't the right decision, absent maybe Stanford, since I want to do IP. However, my gut also thinks that staying would lead to the most happiness. The fact that my gut can't seem to distinguish "right" and "happiest" means there's too much room there, and maybe I should lose some weight.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by eastcoast_iub » Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:53 am

mw115 wrote:
eastcoast_iub wrote:You are ignorant if you think that name won't carry a lot of weight in a prestige-obsessed profession like the law. Like that name won't have a visceral influence on certain people who are responsible for hiring. Like you won't establish valuable connections with people who will be very influential later in life.

What Tufts has anything to do with anything I don't know. Say something meaningful or STFU.
You are ignorant of culture.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/201 ... b_get.html

I will say that anyone who responds to the name Harvard with a chubby isn't someone I want to be working with.
This doesn't have anything to do with my point and my personal predilections are irrelevant. People, including many very educated people, are impressed by the name Harvard whether you think that is a good thing or not. Putting that name on your resume will have lasting effects. And there's nothing wrong with that - it speaks a lot about someone's work ethic, among other things, to be admitted to a school like that.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by eastcoast_iub » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:00 am

rad lulz wrote: Top of the class at UF opens every single door in the state that Harvard can open.
I don't know what makes you so sure of that.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by igo2northwestern » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:05 am

eastcoast_iub wrote:
rad lulz wrote: Top of the class at UF opens every single door in the state that Harvard can open.
I don't know what makes you so sure of that.
OP maybe ask a partner at a firm, or one of your family judge connections? (I think I read that somewhere ITT from your friend) They might be better at explaining the longer term benefits.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by Cicero76 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:13 am

The people saying that H does nothing in FL that UF can't are pretty wrong. Sure, #1 at UF is gonna get basically any job. But having Harvard on your diploma will make some things easier, despite some posters' baffling claim that being impressed by a Harvard degree should make a person unbearable to work with.

Is it 100k better? Maybe not. And staying at UF as number one is perfectly fine. But if H gave some financial aid and UF kept being idiots about scholarships, then H is just going to be better.

Seriously though, have any of you people who are bashing Harvard and saying that it's no better/worse than top of UF ever even talked to a Florida partner? Particularly a baby boomer? They're impressed by that kind of stuff, and it does help. That doesn't make them terrible people, and taking advantage of it wouldn't make OP stupid. JFC

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by mw115 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:21 am

eastcoast_iub wrote:This doesn't have anything to do with my point and my personal predilections are irrelevant. People, including many very educated people, are impressed by the name Harvard whether you think that is a good thing or not. Putting that name on your resume will have lasting effects. And there's nothing wrong with that - it speaks a lot about someone's work ethic, among other things, to be admitted to a school like that.
Fair enough, but earlier posts go directly to your point - which you keep ignoring. In the state of Florida, the name recognition of Harvard is not worth more than the connections the OP has made in Florida if the OP wants to practice in Florida. You keep talking about these "intangible benefits" of the effect Harvard has on people. First, its unclear that this is in anyway true. Almost every study finds that getting in to Harvard is what separates the wheat from the chaff, not the line on the resume. (e.g., http://www.nber.org/papers/w17159.pdf). Second, sure some people are impressed by the Harvard line. But the number one concern is if you can get business. You have yet to illustrate in any cogent manner other than "Harvard is a privilege" that OP would have a better network in Florida if he went to Harvard, while there are numerous posts that point out that OP will have an excellent network in the state if he stays at UF.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by mw115 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:25 am

Cicero76 wrote:Seriously though, have any of you people who are bashing Harvard and saying that it's no better/worse than top of UF ever even talked to a Florida partner? Particularly a baby boomer? They're impressed by that kind of stuff, and it does help. That doesn't make them terrible people, and taking advantage of it wouldn't make OP stupid. JFC
I'm impressed by someone who went to Harvard. I am not "viscerally" affected by them. There is a great chasm of difference between the two.
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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by Cicero76 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:38 am

rad lulz wrote:
Cicero76 wrote:The people saying that H does nothing in FL that UF can't are pretty wrong. Sure, #1 at UF is gonna get basically any job. But having Harvard on your diploma will make some things easier, despite some posters' baffling claim that being impressed by a Harvard degree should make a person unbearable to work with.

Is it 100k better? Maybe not. And staying at UF as number one is perfectly fine. But if H gave some financial aid and UF kept being idiots about scholarships, then H is just going to be better.

Seriously though, have any of you people who are bashing Harvard and saying that it's no better/worse than top of UF ever even talked to a Florida partner? Particularly a baby boomer? They're impressed by that kind of stuff, and it does help. That doesn't make them terrible people, and taking advantage of it wouldn't make OP stupid. JFC
The only thing I this is stupid is people actually saying "GO TO HARVARD 4 THE PRESTIGE AND INTABGBLE BENEFITS"
It's not the best reason to go to a school, sure, but if some dude feels that it's worth a hundred thousand dollars to him/her to be able to say "I went to Harvard" for the rest of his/her life, I wouldn't really hold it against them. There can be a lot of psychological benefit to that, especially if no one in your family has ever done something like that and it means something to them. 100k is a ton of money, but so is 50k. Hell, at the rate they're charging for law school nowadays it's all monopoly money that you have to pay off for forever anyway, so IMO it's not really that big a deal to pick up a cool diploma along the way so you have something to show your kids and grandkids in 30 years, when that 100k is a distant memory.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by hawk5 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:59 am

I can't comment on Florida legal hiring. However, if I was #1 in my class and had a Harvard acceptance in hand, and my school told me they "didn't have enough money" I would be out the door. Play hardball and get your full-ride. If not go have fun in Cambridge.

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by Hutz_and_Goodman » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:37 am

no you aren't crazy

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Re: Am I crazy for considering staying? UF vs. Harvard

Post by Hutz_and_Goodman » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:38 am

eastcoast_iub wrote:That Harvard degree will confer a lifetime of intangible benefits that are hard to quantify in money terms right now. You need to freaking go to Harvard. That is a privilege.
lol literally this put such a smile on my face, please tell me this is not sarcasm

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