2016 1L Transfer Thread Forum

[browniestasty]

I have the form dated for June 30th (July 1st deadline) ready to mail... with a $1200 check.

This is gonna hurt.

[browniestasty]

Seeking advice:
Berkeley v. Penn v. GULC v. Chicago

1. Ambitions for academia 30 years down the line.
Are there differences between the 4? Is the T14 outside of holy trinity nearly indistinguishable? (I want to constitutional or antitrust law if that matters)

2. and/or consulting straight out of JD/2 years out.
How is my access to the business side of the recruiting process? I am seriously thinking about consulting straight out of J.D. I have ibanking internship background although I never worked full time. (Consulting Job +5 for me... enough to put me in SF over a biglaw in NYC)

3. I have very strong preferences for staying in NYC for rest of my life after J.D. although a two year expedition is no problem for me at all. That said I wouldn't mind DC. (NYC=10, DC=7, Chicago=6, SF=5, and Philadelphia=-10)
How much access to east coast firms do I have at these four schools?

How should I rank these four schools?

[tebowtime23]

Seeking advice:
Berkeley v. Penn v. GULC v. Chicago

1. Ambitions for academia 30 years down the line.
Are there differences between the 4? Or outside of the trinity the T14 is nearly indistinguishable?

2. and/or consulting straight out of JD/2 years out.
How is my access to the business side of the recruiting process? I am seriously thinking about consulting straight out of J.D. I have ibanking internship background although I never worked full time.

3. I have very strong preferences for staying in NYC for rest of my life after J.D. although a two year expedition is no problem for me at all. That said I wouldn't mind DC. (NYC=10, DC=7, Chicago=6, SF=4, and Philadelphia=-10)
How much access to east coast firms do I have at these four schools?

How should I rank these four schools?

Employment numbers for all 4 are strong in NY. If you would rather end up in Chicago than Philly, I would definitely rank Chicago ahead of Penn. I'd say if the main goal is NY, but you like DC more than Philly (as a second option), GULC and Penn could be a toss-up. Not sure I'd put Berkeley ahead of any of them. Just my two cents! To be clear, none of them are bad options at all.

[M_Law]

Seeking advice:
Berkeley v. Penn v. GULC v. Chicago

1. Ambitions for academia 30 years down the line.
Are there differences between the 4? Or outside of the trinity the T14 is nearly indistinguishable?

2. and/or consulting straight out of JD/2 years out.
How is my access to the business side of the recruiting process? I am seriously thinking about consulting straight out of J.D. I have ibanking internship background although I never worked full time.

3. I have very strong preferences for staying in NYC for rest of my life after J.D. although a two year expedition is no problem for me at all. That said I wouldn't mind DC. (NYC=10, DC=7, Chicago=6, SF=4, and Philadelphia=-10)
How much access to east coast firms do I have at these four schools?

How should I rank these four schools?

Employment numbers for all 4 are strong in NY. If you would rather end up in Chicago than Philly, I would definitely rank Chicago ahead of Penn. I'd say if the main goal is NY, but you like DC more than Philly (as a second option), GULC and Penn could be a toss-up. Not sure I'd put Berkeley ahead of any of them. Just my two cents! To be clear, none of them are bad options at all.

Hey Brownie, I relatively agree with everything Tebow mentioned. If it was me, I would actually have this narrowed down strictly to Chicago or Penn. "Gun to my head", I would choose Chicago based on overall stronger all-around numbers. But Penn ONLY if you are not inclined to moving to Chicago, cost of living, or any other pressing familial or personal circumstances. Good problem to have. Best of luck!

[browniestasty]

How long does it take LSAC to process the law school transcript?

[Bilb0Baggins]

Anyone interview with Penn yet / can provide information on the questions they ask? (happy to chat over PM too)

[cnpm2016]

Question to all of the Michigan admits:

I received the application complete email last Thursday, and still haven't heard anything from them.
I consider myself to have similar stats to some of the admits (T20, top 15%).
A little worried, since according to the previous posts from the admitted, people tend to get their decisions back in 2-3 business days after being complete.
If I don't get anything by the end of this week, am I screwed...?

[Tala29]

Good luck to everyone! Just checking in, 3.88 at a T1, am going to apply to Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, Penn, Michigan, and Cal.

What's your preference btw?

[TheGoat18]

Stupid question, but how do i assign LOR to schools through LSAC? When I try to "add term" for the school I am applying to, it says there are no current terms open. Can anyone help?

[specterdraperaxe]

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[Tala29]

Does one update their first choice school if they were accepted at another one (ranked better or similarly)?

[browniestasty]

I just found out I actually got highest grades (tie with two others in one class) in two of my classes but weren't far enough from the pack for A+.

Should this be mentioned in interviews?

It just seems so awkward. "Best but not good enough for A+"

[ilikechocolate]

I just found out I actually got highest grades (tie with two others in one class) in two of my classes but weren't far enough from the pack for A+.

Should this be mentioned in interviews?

It just seems so awkward. "Best but not good enough for A+"

Not all professors award an A+, even to the best exam in the class and despite it being the lone exam meriting the "highest grade." I know that my professors adhere to the principle that unless your exam is flawless, you do not deserve an A+. So just because you beat out everyone else in the class doesn't mean that it will automatically result in an A+, and I think most schools understand this. However my experience has been that in classes where I have tied with another person for best exam/highest grade, I have received an A, and where my exam was the single best exam I received an A+. Because exams are graded on a curve, the point is to differentiate you from the pack, so whether you tied for highest score or have it all to yourself, the result is the same -- you beat out the rest of your class, including those others in the top 10% (or w/e your school curve is) that may also get an A.

That being said, I wouldn't necessarily mention it unless asked about grades or what your scholarly accomplishments were this semester. Isn't this award/honor included in your transcript? If it is, then send them an updated transcript via email and mention you received best exam in X class.

[browniestasty]

It's not on transcript. School doesn't do Cali or anything like it.

Yeah, I am going to keep it to myself.

[Phillies1234]

Does one update their first choice school if they were accepted at another one (ranked better or similarly)?

this...anyone have any success or experience emailing schools you are still waiting to hear from about an acceptance?

[browniestasty]

I am doing OCI with my old school still but by the time of interviews, I will have accepted to transfer to GULC or, if they'd have me, NYU/Columbia.

How do I bring this up at the interviews? Would they tell my old school, leading to withdrawal of my other interviews?

[Nebby]

I am doing OCI with my old school still but by the time of interviews, I will have accepted to transfer to GULC or, if they'd have me, NYU/Columbia.

How do I bring this up at the interviews? Would they tell my old school, leading to withdrawal of my other interviews?

What? It's shitty to double dip OCI

[NoDayButToday]

I am doing OCI with my old school still but by the time of interviews, I will have accepted to transfer to GULC or, if they'd have me, NYU/Columbia.

How do I bring this up at the interviews? Would they tell my old school, leading to withdrawal of my other interviews?

What? It's shitty to double dip OCI

Yeah -- not a good idea. It's one thing to bid at your old school before you've committed to transfer to be safe; it's another thing to know for a fact you're transferring and still take interviews at both.

[habeas2210]

I am doing OCI with my old school still but by the time of interviews, I will have accepted to transfer to GULC or, if they'd have me, NYU/Columbia.

How do I bring this up at the interviews? Would they tell my old school, leading to withdrawal of my other interviews?

It's people like this that shouldn't be lawyers. What shitty ethics.

[PeanutsNJam]

You know he's going to do it anyway lol.

[fistfullofdollhairs]

I am doing OCI with my old school still but by the time of interviews, I will have accepted to transfer to GULC or, if they'd have me, NYU/Columbia.

How do I bring this up at the interviews? Would they tell my old school, leading to withdrawal of my other interviews?

If you're still debating whether or not you're going to transfer come OCI time at your current school, you can mention that you're considering transferring and have already been accepted to GULC.

As others have stated, however, double dipping is poor form. If a potential employer thinks you're trying to double dip, this may ruin the interview for you.

[Fed_Atty]

Just curious - why is it considered poor form? I didn't participate in OCI, so not really sure what the problem is. Is it the idea that you get access to more interviews than others? Is it the idea that you may get an offer from your old school that someone else may have got if you hadn't participated.

[habeas2210]

Just curious - why is it considered poor form? I didn't participate in OCI, so not really sure what the problem is. Is it the idea that you get access to more interviews than others? Is it the idea that you may get an offer from your old school that someone else may have got if you hadn't participated.

For one, it's definitely unfair because most people can only do one OCI. Second, it's basically lying and misrepresenting yourself since you're doing it through your 1L school's OCI, even though you will no longer be associated with them after you transfer.

[Fed_Atty]

Copy that. What about the fact that in some cases transfers at the new school OCI are treated differently than non-transfers i.e. GPA not counting or not counting as much? Perhaps it is because I don't have a dog in the fight, but unless strictly prohibited you should take advantage of any benefit you may have.

[habeas2210]

Copy that. What about the fact that in some cases transfers at the new school OCI are treated differently than non-transfers i.e. GPA not counting or not counting as much? Perhaps it is because I don't have a dog in the fight, but unless strictly prohibited you should take advantage of any benefit you may have.

i have spoken with a few hiring partners at biglaw firms about this. They will compare you to your 1L school and how you did there, with the fact/benefit that you'll be receiving an "improved legal education" at your new school for the next 2 years. Yeah, you're right, there is a benefit, there's also a benefit to tax evasion, doesn't mean you should do it/it's the ethical thing to do.

As someone who is also transferring this summer, I would not even consider doing OCI at my 1L school because it's completely unfair to my former classmates. I'm already in a way better position than them because I did/am able to transfer, so why would I want to take away what little opportunity they have, when I have a lot more opportunities because I transferred (I mean this in the least pretentious way possible, but it's just fact). Also, I would rather be associated with my new school to these firms, and not present myself as a current/returning student to my 1L school.