Wisconsin v. WUSTL...thoughts? Forum

[on_ne_sait_jamais]

Yeah.....all you "no academiaz 4 u from WUSTL OR WISCONSINZ" peeps need to at least clarify what you mean by academia. If you are talking about teaching at a school ranked above WUSTL, yeah, it's probably not going to happen. But if you are talking about teaching at most ABA acreditted schools, then you are full of crap. Many and maybe even most professors aren't from top 10 kind of schools in the t3 and 4 range, at least from the sample I've seen. It's just what you do after graduation that makes the difference.

Depends what you mean by "teach." Getting a tenure track position from WUSTL or UW, while not technically impossible, is going to be near-impossible at any ABA school. See http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2009 ... hing.shtml and http://www.leiterrankings.com/jobs/2008 ... hing.shtml . If you mean adjuncts etc., then yeah maybe (and I realize all you offered was your own anecdotal experience), but I don't have any data for that. Let's call it what it is for tenure-track though: astronomically unlikely. OP wouldn't be wrong to consider the fact that WUSTL doesn't even place on that list, unlike UW, but it shouldn't be given any more than the tiniest possible sliver of weight. Anything more would be irrational.

Yeah, this could be it, but my first year professors went something like this:

Oregon/Lewis and Clark/McGeorge range
Home school
Temple/Villanova/Chicago-Kent range
Colorado/Wisco/Arizona range
t4 (minority hire)
t2

Another section:
t2
MVP
t1
DN
t1 Arizonaish

At another law school I observed, it was similar with their most prominent professor being from Hastings.

Maybe I've just been involved w/ like the only two schools in the nation that it is this way.

First of all, qualifying the T4 proff as a minority hire is just absurd, when your school is littered with T2 proffs. You understand that there's no tier outside the T50? The rest of the distinctions are seriously just excuses for people flushing their money down the toilet. Secondly, you paid for that type of instruction and zero career prospects?? Shame on you.

[transplantedbuckeye]

First of all, qualifying the T4 proff as a minority hire is just absurd, when your school is littered with T2 proffs. You understand that there's no tier outside the T50? The rest of the distinctions are seriously just excuses for people flushing their money down the toilet. Secondly, you paid for that type of instruction and zero career prospects?? Shame on you.

Now, I don't mean to say that the Harvard and Yale don't produce a lot of professors and or that academia is not very competitive and superficial. But saying the education you get depends on what school your professors went to is just silly. I will bet many graduates of lower ranked schools would make better TEACHERS than graduates from Harvard or Yale. Also, many students with the drive to want to teach are at the top schools, while students looking to practice law for 30-40 years and retire tend to round out the lower ranked schools (or at least they do at mine).

[MrKappus]

First of all, qualifying the T4 proff as a minority hire is just absurd, when your school is littered with T2 proffs. You understand that there's no tier outside the T50? The rest of the distinctions are seriously just excuses for people flushing their money down the toilet. Secondly, you paid for that type of instruction and zero career prospects?? Shame on you.

Now, I don't mean to say that the Harvard and Yale don't produce a lot of professors and or that academia is not very competitive and superficial. But saying the education you get depends on what school your professors went to is just silly. I will bet many graduates of lower ranked schools would make better TEACHERS than graduates from Harvard or Yale. Also, many students with the drive to want to teach are at the top schools, while students looking to practice law for 30-40 years and retire tend to round out the lower ranked schools (or at least they do at mine).

If many students with the drive to want to teach are at top schools, wouldn't they make better teachers?