Official Transfer What Are My Chances Thread Forum

[thexfactor]

I agree.You will get into something t25. However, there is a huge transfer wall between washu/GW and ucla/usc/vandy/gulc.

3 students from a given school is one thing... but maybe, like you say, they really liked those 3, as opposed to applicants from that school in general. I mean, do you think there are certain t25 schools they favor as a general matter, such that how they treated applicants from that school last year is especially predictive of how they'll treat them this year?

[A'nold]

wow ok il chime in.
Mich- out
Berk- see ya
Duke-out already
GULC- pt and ft. deferred EA- adios.. but i wish you were auto admit for my sake...
UCLA- no
Vandy- no
WUSTL- WL/IN
Minn.- WL
Emory-WL/IN
ND-WL
Irvine- no
UW-Seattle-no cuz they take 3 transfers per year
Hastings- in

Hijack #2:

t3, top 14%, much higher section rank, but we won't go there again.

Mich
Berk
Duke-out already
GULC- pt and ft. deferred EA
UCLA
Vandy
WUSTL
Minn.
Emory
ND
Irvine
UW-Seattle
Hastings

Thanks man. So, schools really waitlist transfer applicants? Didn't really know that that was common practice.

[A'nold]

A'nold, I bet you have a decent shot at WUSTL, it is not very difficult to transfer into, surprisingly easy really. Also, Emory is a real possibility. And Hastings as well. Now chill the f%$! out. You'll be alright.

No way! I won't chill till I get that first accpetance baby.

[solidsnake]

3 students from a given school is one thing... but maybe, like you say, they really liked those 3, as opposed to applicants from that school in general. I mean, do you think there are certain t25 schools they favor as a general matter, such that how they treated applicants from that school last year is especially predictive of how they'll treat them this year?

I wouldn't be surprised if HYS adcomms looked towards previous-year admits from a particular school to see how, post-transfer, they fared at OCI, academically, etc., to get a sense of whether certain law schools can consistently produce the type of applicant HYS seeks to admit.

[Dman]

oh can I play? Always wanted to post in a chances thread (sorry for the hijack OP)

Top 5% Low T2, already have secondary journal credit (on two mastheads), significant work experience, Prior MA., paid summer internship at Fortune 50 company. Entering stats not so good (160, 2.85 LSAC GPA)

Stanford
Berkeley
Georgetown
UCLA
Davis

I applied to most of these long ago but official transcript finally just went out of the registrar.

[traydeuce]

3 students from a given school is one thing... but maybe, like you say, they really liked those 3, as opposed to applicants from that school in general. I mean, do you think there are certain t25 schools they favor as a general matter, such that how they treated applicants from that school last year is especially predictive of how they'll treat them this year?

I wouldn't be surprised if HYS adcomms looked towards previous-year admits from a particular school to see how, post-transfer, they fared at OCI, academically, etc., to get a sense of whether certain law schools can consistently produce the type of applicant HYS seeks to admit.

I agree. But of course, it may be the case that those 3 were the only ones from that school who got accepted, and that there were others with equal GPAS or higher ones who were rejected.

[thexfactor]

oh can I play? Always wanted to post in a chances thread (sorry for the hijack OP)

Top 5% Low T2, already have secondary journal credit (on two mastheads), significant work experience, Prior MA., paid summer internship at Fortune 50 company. Entering stats not so good (160, 2.85 LSAC GPA)

Stanford- out
Berkeley- 50/50
Georgetown- wl/in
UCLA- in
Davis-in

I applied to most of these long ago but official transcript finally just went out of the registrar.

[solidsnake]

3 students from a given school is one thing... but maybe, like you say, they really liked those 3, as opposed to applicants from that school in general. I mean, do you think there are certain t25 schools they favor as a general matter, such that how they treated applicants from that school last year is especially predictive of how they'll treat them this year?

I wouldn't be surprised if HYS adcomms looked towards previous-year admits from a particular school to see how, post-transfer, they fared at OCI, academically, etc., to get a sense of whether certain law schools can consistently produce the type of applicant HYS seeks to admit.

I agree. But of course, it may be the case that those 3 were the only ones from that school who got accepted, and that there were others with equal GPAS or higher ones who were rejected.

Sure -- that's a possibility, however unlikely. Schools tend towards objective numbers and use softs only at the margins. Equal gpas aside, those with higher LS gpa's/class rank, assuming they existed and applied yet were denied, had some other stain on their app that took them out of the running -- something that would likely lead the adcomms to believe, again based on past experience, that those would-be admits would have difficulty achieving similar success (whether socially, academically, professionally, etc.) as in their 1L year at a HYS.

[Dman]

oh can I play? Always wanted to post in a chances thread (sorry for the hijack OP)

Top 5% Low T2, already have secondary journal credit (on two mastheads), significant work experience, Prior MA., paid summer internship at Fortune 50 company. Entering stats not so good (160, 2.85 LSAC GPA)

Stanford- out
Berkeley- 50/50
Georgetown- wl/in
UCLA- in
Davis-in

Thanks, that is pretty much where I put myself as well. Gar, the waiting....

[D.Wilde]

3 students from a given school is one thing... but maybe, like you say, they really liked those 3, as opposed to applicants from that school in general. I mean, do you think there are certain t25 schools they favor as a general matter, such that how they treated applicants from that school last year is especially predictive of how they'll treat them this year?

I wouldn't be surprised if HYS adcomms looked towards previous-year admits from a particular school to see how, post-transfer, they fared at OCI, academically, etc., to get a sense of whether certain law schools can consistently produce the type of applicant HYS seeks to admit.

I agree. But of course, it may be the case that those 3 were the only ones from that school who got accepted, and that there were others with equal GPAS or higher ones who were rejected.

All of these points have been well-made. I'm now sufficiently worried. . Seriously though, thank you for this intelligent and polite conversation! TLS has been getting a little nasty for my tastes lately...

[arstech]

Top 5% Low T2, (other stuff that doesn't matter)

Stanford
Berkeley
Georgetown
UCLA
Davis

I have a very pessimistic view of transfer probabilities, but I'd only bet money on Davis. Hopefully I'm wrong!

[Dman]

(other stuff that doesn't matter)


I have a very pessimistic view of transfer probabilities, but I'd only bet money on Davis. Hopefully I'm wrong!

Just a thought on softs. More speaking out loud than anything, but feel free to disagree.

I guess, as a non-trad student, I hope softs count for something. It seems that transfers are a numbers game but I don't see the direct benefit to schools in only looking at numbers. They do not get any immediate tangible benefit such as a ranking boost. Transfer students are known to work hard and perform with bar passage being a non-issue. I know that there is a very strong correlation between school rank and class rank in the decision process but it seems to be in a school best interest to look at how employable a candidate is or where they are headed in life to get maximum exposure for the school. I try to remain optimistic that background matters for something...(I am probably overly optimistic on this).

As others have mentioned, a lawschoolpredictor for transfers would be amazing.

[thexfactor]

why didnt you apply to vandy and NW. Both schools love work experience.

(other stuff that doesn't matter)


I have a very pessimistic view of transfer probabilities, but I'd only bet money on Davis. Hopefully I'm wrong!

Just a thought on softs. More speaking out loud than anything, but feel free to disagree.

I guess, as a non-trad student, I hope softs count for something. It seems that transfers are a numbers game but I don't see the direct benefit to schools in only looking at numbers. They do not get any immediate tangible benefit such as a ranking boost. Transfer students are known to work hard and perform with bar passage being a non-issue. I know that there is a very strong correlation between school rank and class rank in the decision process but it seems to be in a school best interest to look at how employable a candidate is or where they are headed in life to get maximum exposure for the school. I try to remain optimistic that background matters for something...(I am probably overly optimistic on this).

As others have mentioned, a lawschoolpredictor for transfers would be amazing.

[D.Wilde]

Oh, and since people gave me feedback, I shall return the favor:

Very bored.....

T50 10-12% reg softs. Not a resident of cali. No WE.
NW
Mich
UCLA
USC
GULC
Vandy
Washu
GW

NW: Out.
Mich: Out.
UCLA: Out (due to residency issue).
USC: In.
GULC: 50/50.
Vandy: No idea. I know very little about this school.
Wash U: In.
GW: In.

I'll guess yours if you guess mine...I am also really bored:

20-25 School; 4.07 GPA

NYU
Columbia
Harvard
Yale

NYU: In.
Columbia: In.
Harvard: In.
Yale: 50/50.

Hijack #2:

t3, top 14%, much higher section rank, but we won't go there again.

Mich
Berk
Duke-out already
GULC- pt and ft. deferred EA
UCLA
Vandy
WUSTL
Minn.
Emory
ND
Irvine
UW-Seattle
Hastings

Mich: Out.
Berk: Out.
Duke-out already
GULC- pt and ft. deferred EA - Out.
UCLA: Out.
Vandy: Out.
WUSTL: 50/50.
Minn.: In.
Emory: In.
ND: Out.
Irvine: Out.
UW-Seattle: I know nothing about this place.
Hastings: In.

oh can I play? Always wanted to post in a chances thread (sorry for the hijack OP)

Top 5% Low T2, already have secondary journal credit (on two mastheads), significant work experience, Prior MA., paid summer internship at Fortune 50 company. Entering stats not so good (160, 2.85 LSAC GPA)

Stanford
Berkeley
Georgetown
UCLA
Davis

I applied to most of these long ago but official transcript finally just went out of the registrar.

Stanford: Out.
Berkeley: Out.
Georgetown: Possible, but unlikely.
UCLA: 50/50.
Davis: In.

Agreed with xfactor. Dman would have had a pretty decent shot at NW if his work experience is significant and spinnably relevant.

[Dman]

I mostly want Cali and then East Asia as my long term market. Wife works this side of the country, and will be staying regardless of my transfer. I don't really want to have to do the long distance thing for the next two years. However, I applied to GULC because, Technology transfer and regulation is my focus and DC is the hub for that type of work (government side anyways). If I went anywhere outside Cali it would have to be DC.

[thexfactor]

btw.. why do you think i will be in at usc?
I cant find any data on usc anywhere.
Thanks.

[A'nold]

D.Wilde: that's about how I have it going down as well. If previous years are any indication, I should be o.k. at Emory and Minn. I have bigtime connections to Washington State btw.

Also, I don't know if you guys think this will matter at all, but I have an extremely unique "soft" that I highlighted in my ps.

[pocket herc]

A'nold, like I've said, wish you all the luck. But you do know that it might still be a shit show at the school you transfer to right? I would probably recommend doing it all the same, but certainly something to think about. If it is just about prestige, I'd think twice.

[D.Wilde]

A'nold, like I've said, wish you all the luck. But you do know that it might still be a shit show at the school you transfer to right? I would probably recommend doing it all the same, but certainly something to think about. If it is just about prestige, I'd think twice.

+1. Most people I know who have transfered from high class rank at low-ranked schools to T20-30 schools have not fared well at OCI at all.

[traydeuce]

Okay, you all can predict my chances. A few points above the 5% cut line at W&L, #34 (but #28 the year before that and #25 the year before that, #18 before that. Sometimes when I'm really bored I wonder whether our unusually solid reputation for a school of our ranking may play some role in this process). The schools are:

Georgetown - got in already
Duke (I went there)
Penn
NYU
Chicago
Columbia
Stanford
Harvard (we all know I get rejected here unless the write-on, which I'm probably excessively optimistic about, pans out)
And maybe I'll apply to Cornell days before the deadline, even though I want to work in DC? I like small towns.

[A'nold]

A'nold, like I've said, wish you all the luck. But you do know that it might still be a shit show at the school you transfer to right? I would probably recommend doing it all the same, but certainly something to think about. If it is just about prestige, I'd think twice.

+1. Most people I know who have transfered from high class rank at low-ranked schools to T20-30 schools have not fared well at OCI at all.

I see your guys' point, but tbh I'm not really interested in OCI.....I kind of have a weird life plan, haha.

[arstech]

And maybe I'll apply to Cornell days before the deadline, even though I want to work in DC? I like small towns.

As a Cornell student (albeit one who is trying to transfer), I would encourage this. Ithaca gets slammed a lot on TLS, but I actually really like it here, and would take it over Georgetown. Our OCI has D.C. firms if that's really what you want to go after law school. FWIW.

Good luck either way!

[traydeuce]

^^ Do elaborate on the Cornell-over-Georgetown preference. I suspect I'll get in somewhere in the Columbia-NYU range, but if not, Cornell does seem like an appealing option.

[tylenol_jones]

Okay, you all can predict my chances. A few points above the 5% cut line at W&L, #34 (but #28 the year before that and #25 the year before that, #18 before that. Sometimes when I'm really bored I wonder whether our unusually solid reputation for a school of our ranking may play some role in this process). The schools are:

Georgetown - got in already
Duke (I went there)
Penn
NYU
Chicago
Columbia
Stanford
Harvard (we all know I get rejected here unless the write-on, which I'm probably excessively optimistic about, pans out)
And maybe I'll apply to Cornell days before the deadline, even though I want to work in DC? I like small towns.

Should be in more or less everywhere below HS. Fighting chance at HS (especially H), but there's certainly more competition. Not that you don't know this already...

[arstech]

^^ Do elaborate on the Cornell-over-Georgetown preference. I suspect I'll get in somewhere in the Columbia-NYU range, but if not, Cornell does seem like an appealing option.

As far as Cornell vs. Georgetown, my close friend goes to Georgetown and we discuss it sometimes. We both really like our schools. Academically, I don't think there are any material differences. The chief difference seems to be in the atmosphere.

The architecture at GULC, if you've never been, is sort of fancy, modern, etc. It feels like you're in a big city. The architecture at Cornell is very gothic, castle-like. If you blindly walk out of the library at GULC you might get hit by a taxi; if you blindly walk of out the library at Cornell you might get hit by a hippie on a bicycle with a ridiculous shirt.

Obviously, there are more social options in D.C. In Ithaca we end up going to the same six bars or whatever. But there are gorges and waterfalls everywhere. (Beautiful + no-hassle suicide!)

That being said, I think all this is probably moot because I also suspect that you'll end up in the Columbia-NYU range. But maybe somebody else will read this who has to make that decision.