Southwestern to Loyola? Forum

[Danteshek]

Just soliciting opinions. I will certainly take yours into consideration. If I stay at Southwestern, I may visit a DC school for my third year to try and improve my chances of getting hired at the Commission.

[A'nold]

Just soliciting opinions. I will certainly take yours into consideration. If I stay at Southwestern, I may visit a DC school for my third year to try and improve my chances of getting hired at the Commission.

Cool. Yeah, I was just expressing confusion, not trying to be a jerk (we are all kind of in this situation together, haha). Visiting could be a great option, actually.

[Danteshek]

I may also do the LL.M. in Securities and Financial Regulation at Georgetown.

[chango]

I agree w A'nold: try out UCI. To be honest, I don't think top 20% at a T4 is anything to write home about, but UCI may go for it.

FTR, SWL is currently a T3.

[1ferret!]

heard bad things about SW career office lately... a change may be in order

[Bankhead]

I agree w A'nold: try out UCI. To be honest, I don't think top 20% at a T4 is anything to write home about, but UCI may go for it.

FTR, SWL is currently a T3.

Well that just changes everything.

[A'nold]

I agree w A'nold: try out UCI. To be honest, I don't think top 20% at a T4 is anything to write home about, but UCI may go for it.

FTR, SWL is currently a T3.

Well that just changes everything.

[SwollenMonkey]

heard bad things about SW career office lately... a change may be in order

Bad things like?

[chango]

I agree w A'nold: try out UCI. To be honest, I don't think top 20% at a T4 is anything to write home about, but UCI may go for it.

FTR, SWL is currently a T3.

Well that just changes everything.

According to Shell Oil it does:


http://abovethelaw.com/2010/05/the-tier ... shell-oil/

[Danteshek]

Alright. I took my dad's advice and applied to George Washington.

[A'nold]

Alright. I took my dad's advice and applied to George Washington.

Maybe you should also hit up W&M and W&L, they are pretty transfer friendly.

[Danteshek]

Alright. I took my dad's advice and applied to George Washington.

Maybe you should also hit up W&M and W&L, they are pretty transfer friendly.

Nah. The whole point is to be in DC. And Catholic and American aren't really worth it.

[A'nold]

Alright. I took my dad's advice and applied to George Washington.

Maybe you should also hit up W&M and W&L, they are pretty transfer friendly.

Nah. The whole point is to be in DC. And Catholic and American aren't really worth it.

Maybe but if a transfer to Loyola is worth it, those other schools in D.C. may be worth it if you plan on doing some crazy networking over the next few years.

[1ferret!]

heard bad things about SW career office lately... a change may be in order

Bad things like?

Nothing real specific. Just chatting with a couple SW students who thought that the office was unhelpful and were disappointed.

[Danteshek]

Alright. I took my dad's advice and applied to George Washington.

Maybe you should also hit up W&M and W&L, they are pretty transfer friendly.

Nah. The whole point is to be in DC. And Catholic and American aren't really worth it.

Maybe but if a transfer to Loyola is worth it, those other schools in D.C. may be worth it if you plan on doing some crazy networking over the next few years.

The problem is that American and Catholic won't do much for me in LA if I don't end up at the SEC. The SEC is pretty much the only job that will keep me away from LA.

[A'nold]

Maybe you should also hit up W&M and W&L, they are pretty transfer friendly.

Nah. The whole point is to be in DC. And Catholic and American aren't really worth it.

Maybe but if a transfer to Loyola is worth it, those other schools in D.C. may be worth it if you plan on doing some crazy networking over the next few years.

The problem is that American and Catholic won't do much for me in LA if I don't end up at the SEC.

Yeah, and if your major plan is CA then I see that. Any thought about applying to GMU? They are so business oriented and they are transfer friendly.

[Danteshek]

Not really. I don't think there is much difference between American and GMU in terms of prospects.

[Soul Minded]

I got a huge scholarship and the people at Southwestern seem genuinely interested in helping me be a successful lawyer that is enough for me, I do not have illusions of a six figure job out of either Loyola or Southwestern. However, I personally know several high achievers entering their final year at Loyola and they are going to be doing personal injury law post graduation even though they did the entertainment law program because Loyola has not provided them with quality placements. I personally hate debt because it limits your options for the future. Dante may want to work for the SEC now but he may also want something completely different in a year's time.

I would strongly suggest you pursue your scholarship options at Southwestern before making what could be a very costly move.

[Danteshek]

I will definitely wait until I have the scholarship numbers from Southwestern before making this decision. The Dean has said that everyone in the top 30% will get money. They increased the budget significantly this year to try and retain high performing students. It remains to seen how much people in the 11%-30% actually get. I would probably feel more loyalty to Southwestern had they given me a scholarship from the get go. I got nothing for my first year.

Also, FWIW, I came into this process with substantial savings. I also have (limited) additional support from my mother. She has said she will support me more if I transfer.

[bconly]

Reputation of SW and Loyola is identical as a "bar-passer" school.

That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. If that's the case, explain why about 200 firms participate in Loyola's OCI vs. about 15 at SW (and that's just the first major difference that comes to mind).

[solidsnake]

Reputation of SW and Loyola is identical as a "bar-passer" school.

That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. If that's the case, explain why about 200 firms participate in Loyola's OCI vs. about 15 at SW (and that's just the first major difference that comes to mind).

Whatever. Born and raised in LA. I attend neither school. If you think Loyola has even an ounce more of prestige than SW, then you are drinking some strong kool-aid.

[bconly]

Whatever. Born and raised in LA. I attend neither school. If you think Loyola has even an ounce more of prestige than SW, then you are drinking some strong kool-aid.

Hah/wow... You say that just because you were 'born and raised' here (so was I), that makes you the final authority. I'm not the one drinking the kool-aid, bud.

[Danteshek]

Reputation of SW and Loyola is identical as a "bar-passer" school.

That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. If that's the case, explain why about 200 firms participate in Loyola's OCI vs. about 15 at SW (and that's just the first major difference that comes to mind).

More large firms do OCI at Loyola than Southwestern. But if you think that 200 "firms" go to Loyola, 150 of those are probably either solo practitioners or firms with fewer than 10 attorneys. The 200 number is probably the number of different firms that have come to Loyola in the last X number of years. Southwestern is probably reporting the actual number that came in X year.

[Danteshek]

Whatever. Born and raised in LA. I attend neither school. If you think Loyola has even an ounce more of prestige than SW, then you are drinking some strong kool-aid.

Hah/wow... You say that just because you were 'born and raised' here (so was I), that makes you the final authority. I'm not the one drinking the kool-aid, bud.

I wasn't born in LA, but I have lived there since age 13 (15 years). There is definitely a gap in prestige, but I don't think that gap is particularly well justified. I also think that the gap is closing. Southwestern had a pretty horrid reputation in the 80's and 90's. A lot of those problems were fixed when the school contracted the size its student body and relaxed the curve (it still has the toughest curve in the LA area).

[solidsnake]

To me, and about every attorney I know in LA with whom I've discussed the topic, differences in reputation or prestige between Loyola and SW are akin to differences between Seton Hall and New York Law School. Sure, there might be a disparity in the us news rankings between the two schools, but once you get to that general level of TTT, there are all pretty much regarded as more or less the same.