What are your chances? Forum

[lawloser22]

First semester: between a 3.6 and 3.7 (closer to 3.7) at a school ranked 40-50. No rank yet; traditionally I think I'd be just outside of top10%, but this year the curve got a bit more generous so it may not be comparatively as strong. The way our grading system is it really doesn't make sense to even hypo-rank though until after the year because of specificity issues. I think there aren't a ton of transfers leaving my school and that transferring out students tend to do fairly well in terms of being accepted, so I'm hoping this could help.


Georgetown EA- (I submitted EA application; have family legacy and have expressed strong interest).

Penn- (hope to be in a position to apply; have spent time on campus for a workshop and should be able to express strong particular interest).

Berkeley- (like Cali.. the people at Cal Law seem more friendly than at a lot of top schools.. and it's a great school; no specific ties though).

Cornell- (have family legacy, but not for law specifically).

Columbia- (I think it would only be worth applying if I get straight-As this semester. I have already ruled out Y/H/S since I think I would have needed all As both semesters to have any real shot).

If you're just outside the top 10%:

GULC EA/RD: 50% -- maybe more due to legacy
Cornell: 40%
P: 35%
B: 35%
CLS: 25%

Current School: TTT
GPA/CR: 3.39, 27/158 (Top 20%)

Chances at:
USF
UOP
Santa Clara
Loyola LA
USD
Hastings
Davis

please advise!!!

I really have no idea on this one, but I'd imagine you'd have a reasonable shot at a couple T1s, and be accepted to any T2s or TTTs

Current School: Chicago T2
Class Rank: Top 10%

Chances at:
UIUC
WUSTL
Wisconsin
ND
Minnesota

UIUC -- 60%
WUSTL -- 55% try EA?
Wisconsin --70%
ND -- 55%
Minnesota -- 60%

[awonderful]

Lateral Transfer

Let us say I attend a state school in the northeast ranked in the 80's, located near Philly. I want to transfer up north to its twin in the northern part of the state.

3.0 Fall GPA

School does not rank

[sarryn]

What are my chances?

Undergrad GPA/LSAT - Low.
Current school: 4th Tier
GPA: 4.0 - 1/200ish

Applying EA Georgetown and WUSTL. Chicago even worth it?

Assuming my GPA drops a bit this semester, what are my chances with the other Tier 1 schools?

[lawloser22]

Lateral Transfer

Let us say I attend a state school in the northeast ranked in the 80's, located near Philly. I want to transfer up north to its twin in the northern part of the state.

3.0 Fall GPA

School does not rank

Well you'll have to figure out where that GPA lies by looking at past years cut-offs, etc. Top third is generally good enough to lateral.

What are my chances?

Undergrad GPA/LSAT - Low.
Current school: 4th Tier
GPA: 4.0 - 1/200ish

Applying EA Georgetown and WUSTL. Chicago even worth it?

Assuming my GPA drops a bit this semester, what are my chances with the other Tier 1 schools?

Good call on Georgetown EA and WUSTL. Chicago's probably not worth it, I've heard they generally don't take from outside T1s. I think as long as you're top 10% you should get into a T1.

[keg411]

Lateral Transfer

Let us say I attend a state school in the northeast ranked in the 80's, located near Philly. I want to transfer up north to its twin in the northern part of the state.

3.0 Fall GPA

School does not rank

Well you'll have to figure out where that GPA lies by looking at past years cut-offs, etc. Top third is generally good enough to lateral..

Based on past cut-offs at this school, median is slightly below a 3.1. The poster would need to get to at least a 3.3 or so to be at top 1/3.

[Regionality]

I'll play because I just got back from Bar Review and am bored/tipsy/curious:

Top 7% at Wisconsin

Chances for:

Georgetown EA
Chicago ED

If I stay in top 10%, where should I apply and what might my chances be?

[lawloser22]

I'll play because I just got back from Bar Review and am bored/tipsy/curious:

Top 7% at Wisconsin (#28)

Chances for:

Georgetown EA
Chicago ED

If I stay in top 10%, where should I apply and what might my chances be?

Georgetown EA/RD - 65%
Chicago ED/RD - 40%

Probably will be deferred at both first.

If you stay in the top 10%, I would apply to Penn, Berkeley, UMich, and maybe NW. You should get at least 1. I'd say chances would be all around 45-50% with the best chance at Michigan or NW.

[Regionality]

I'll play because I just got back from Bar Review and am bored/tipsy/curious:

Top 7% at Wisconsin (#28)

Chances for:

Georgetown EA
Chicago ED

If I stay in top 10%, where should I apply and what might my chances be?

Georgetown EA/RD - 65%
Chicago ED/RD - 40%

Probably will be deferred at both first.

If you stay in the top 10%, I would apply to Penn, Berkeley, UMich, and maybe NW. You should get at least 1. I'd say chances would be all around 45-50% with the best chance at Michigan or NW.

anyone else?

[NakedPowerOrgan]

Top 30-35% Michigan

Chicago ED

50%.

While this isn't really a lateral, top third is usually good enough for a lateral. I think you'll get some slack for coming from another top midwest school (competition), and for being a safe bet -- not many UChi EDers can drop 10% and still be competitive for BigLaw.

Thanks!

How much does a strong personal reason wanting to transfer play into it (my ex-boyfriend, now-fiance is doing a JD/MBA at the law school/Booth). Also want to practice in Chicago after graduation.

[bml1986]

Tier 3 School in Minnesota
GPA 3.85 on 3.0 scale
9/169
Chances of transferring to Georgetown, GW, University of Minnesota, William and Mary, Emory, BU or Wash. U.

edited to add GPA

[Regionality]

Tier 3 School in Minnesota
GPA 3.85 on 3.0 scale
9/169
Chances of transferring to Georgetown, GW, University of Minnesota, William and Mary, Emory, BU or Wash. U.

edited to add GPA

Top 6% at a T3...
For GULC I would have thought this was solid, but apparently people are telling me my top 7% at #28 is no slam dunk for GULC, even though it's only 14 spots higher in the ranking!

So you're probably gonna see some action from the lower ranked ones. Apply EA to Wash U for sure.

[keg411]

Tier 3 School in Minnesota
GPA 3.85 on 3.0 scale
9/169
Chances of transferring to Georgetown, GW, University of Minnesota, William and Mary, Emory, BU or Wash. U.

edited to add GPA

Top 6% at a T3...
For GULC I would have thought this was solid, but apparently people are telling me my top 7% at #28 is no slam dunk for GULC, even though it's only 14 spots higher in the ranking!

So you're probably gonna see some action from the lower ranked ones. Apply EA to Wash U for sure.

People are telling you that you're rank isn't a slam-dunk for GULC because transfer admissions are never a slam dunk. If you read some of the past threads you'll realize that it's pretty all over the place who gets in where and it isn't the same as standard admissions. For people who want to break the T14, there is no "safety school" in transfer admissions (for example, you could get into Chi ED but get deferred from GULC EA).

[Regionality]

Tier 3 School in Minnesota
GPA 3.85 on 3.0 scale
9/169
Chances of transferring to Georgetown, GW, University of Minnesota, William and Mary, Emory, BU or Wash. U.

edited to add GPA

Top 6% at a T3...
For GULC I would have thought this was solid, but apparently people are telling me my top 7% at #28 is no slam dunk for GULC, even though it's only 14 spots higher in the ranking!

So you're probably gonna see some action from the lower ranked ones. Apply EA to Wash U for sure.

People are telling you that you're rank isn't a slam-dunk for GULC because transfer admissions are never a slam dunk. If you read some of the past threads you'll realize that it's pretty all over the place who gets in where and it isn't the same as standard admissions. For people who want to break the T14, there is no "safety school" in transfer admissions (for example, you could get into Chi ED but get deferred from GULC EA).

Yea, this is probably true. And I still can't get a clear answer on whether EA gives leeway or is stricter with their desired/required credentials. Does it show special interest, therefore they give you more slack? Or are you a bigger risk because it's only one semester, therefore they require more of you?

[lawloser22]

Tier 3 School in Minnesota
GPA 3.85 on 3.0 scale
9/169
Chances of transferring to Georgetown, GW, University of Minnesota, William and Mary, Emory, BU or Wash. U.

edited to add GPA

Top 6% at a T3...
For GULC I would have thought this was solid, but apparently people are telling me my top 7% at #28 is no slam dunk for GULC, even though it's only 14 spots higher in the ranking!

So you're probably gonna see some action from the lower ranked ones. Apply EA to Wash U for sure.

People are telling you that you're rank isn't a slam-dunk for GULC because transfer admissions are never a slam dunk. If you read some of the past threads you'll realize that it's pretty all over the place who gets in where and it isn't the same as standard admissions. For people who want to break the T14, there is no "safety school" in transfer admissions (for example, you could get into Chi ED but get deferred from GULC EA).

Yea, this is probably true. And I still can't get a clear answer on whether EA gives leeway or is stricter with their desired/required credentials. Does it show special interest, therefore they give you more slack? Or are you a bigger risk because it's only one semester, therefore they require more of you?

Yeah, this is exactly what I had in mind. For example, someone who applied GT EA and was Top 2-3% at a peer school was deferred last year. I'm sure you are a slam dunk for getting in, even if you slip some, just not sure about EA. I believe the EA/ED programs are stricter bc they know they're taking more of a risk on you. However, I think that if you are deferred EA/ED, then you will get a boost RD for showing special interest. I'm also very hesitant to overstate chance at Chicago bc of the amount of very competitive applicants that seem to be applying this year, combined with the rumors that they're taking so few bc they're over-enrolled for our class.

[lawloser22]

Top 30-35% Michigan

Chicago ED

50%.

While this isn't really a lateral, top third is usually good enough for a lateral. I think you'll get some slack for coming from another top midwest school (competition), and for being a safe bet -- not many UChi EDers can drop 10% and still be competitive for BigLaw.

Thanks!

How much does a strong personal reason wanting to transfer play into it (my ex-boyfriend, now-fiance is doing a JD/MBA at the law school/Booth). Also want to practice in Chicago after graduation.

I think in your case it will definitely help a lot. Without these explanation I'm sure they'd be very suspicious of why you want to leave Michigan when most people would probably tell you you'd be better off staying put. This way they won't think you're just prestige whoring.

In most cases, I don't think it plays into it all that much. It seems that everyone has strong personal reasons for wanting to transfer, whatever they may be.

If, for whatever reason, Chicago doesn't take you, I think you're a lock at NW. They'll probably care a lot more about these things since Chicago is their primary market.

Tier 3 School in Minnesota
GPA 3.85 on 3.0 scale
9/169
Chances of transferring to Georgetown, GW, University of Minnesota, William and Mary, Emory, BU or Wash. U.

edited to add GPA

Georgetown - 40%
GW - 50%
University of Minnesota - 65%
William and Mary - 65%
Emory - 65%
BU - 55%
Wash. U - 60%

[Regionality]

Top 6% at a T3...
For GULC I would have thought this was solid, but apparently people are telling me my top 7% at #28 is no slam dunk for GULC, even though it's only 14 spots higher in the ranking!

So you're probably gonna see some action from the lower ranked ones. Apply EA to Wash U for sure.

People are telling you that you're rank isn't a slam-dunk for GULC because transfer admissions are never a slam dunk. If you read some of the past threads you'll realize that it's pretty all over the place who gets in where and it isn't the same as standard admissions. For people who want to break the T14, there is no "safety school" in transfer admissions (for example, you could get into Chi ED but get deferred from GULC EA).

Yea, this is probably true. And I still can't get a clear answer on whether EA gives leeway or is stricter with their desired/required credentials. Does it show special interest, therefore they give you more slack? Or are you a bigger risk because it's only one semester, therefore they require more of you?

Yeah, this is exactly what I had in mind. For example, someone who applied GT EA and was Top 2-3% at a peer school was deferred last year. I'm sure you are a slam dunk for getting in, even if you slip some, just not sure about EA. I believe the EA/ED programs are stricter bc they know they're taking more of a risk on you. However, I think that if you are deferred EA/ED, then you will get a boost RD for showing special interest. I'm also very hesitant to overstate chance at Chicago bc of the amount of very competitive applicants that seem to be applying this year, combined with the rumors that they're taking so few bc they're over-enrolled for our class.

Top 2-3% at a peer school!?! That has to be yield protection, though I can't imagine why they'd care about YP for transfer apps. Still though...for peer schools you're supposed to get in if you're just top half- the idea being that you're obviously transferring because of personal reasons rather than obvious academic/career prospect reasons. That seriously doesn't make any sense. GULC probably thought the applicant was wasting their time. Who on earth would want to lose their class rank of top 2-3% from a peer school of GULC? (which I am assuming to mean UCLA/Texas/USC/Vandy etc etc)

[keg411]

It's not traditional YP - but schools looking to take transfer often have to be careful about not over-enrolling too much (especially since a lot of schools over-enrolled to begin with) It's honestly just a really weird process and you have to convince the school you really really want to be there and have good reasons to be there. Other factors appear to be region of your original school and whether or not the school has taken transfers from your school in the past.

You just can't look at transfer admissions like regular admissions.

[lawloser22]

Top 2-3% at a peer school!?! That has to be yield protection, though I can't imagine why they'd care about YP for transfer apps. Still though...for peer schools you're supposed to get in if you're just top half- the idea being that you're obviously transferring because of personal reasons rather than obvious academic/career prospect reasons. That seriously doesn't make any sense. GULC probably thought the applicant was wasting their time. Who on earth would want to lose their class rank of top 2-3% from a peer school of GULC? (which I am assuming to mean UCLA/Texas/USC/Vandy etc etc)

Sorry, I meant a peer school of Wisconsin (IU). You would think someone with these stats would be a lock, but the EA/ED process is unpredictable.

[Regionality]

Top 2-3% at a peer school!?! That has to be yield protection, though I can't imagine why they'd care about YP for transfer apps. Still though...for peer schools you're supposed to get in if you're just top half- the idea being that you're obviously transferring because of personal reasons rather than obvious academic/career prospect reasons. That seriously doesn't make any sense. GULC probably thought the applicant was wasting their time. Who on earth would want to lose their class rank of top 2-3% from a peer school of GULC? (which I am assuming to mean UCLA/Texas/USC/Vandy etc etc)

Sorry, I meant a peer school of Wisconsin (IU). You would think someone with these stats would be a lock, but the EA/ED process is unpredictable.

OHH, ok that makes way more sense. And still, that's a rough waitlist. If I were top 2-3% here at Wisc I'd be thinking HYS...that'd mean i'm top 5-7 students in a class of 245 at a solid Tier 1 school.

[NakedPowerOrgan]

I think in your case it will definitely help a lot. Without these explanation I'm sure they'd be very suspicious of why you want to leave Michigan when most people would probably tell you you'd be better off staying put. This way they won't think you're just prestige whoring.

In most cases, I don't think it plays into it all that much. It seems that everyone has strong personal reasons for wanting to transfer, whatever they may be.

If, for whatever reason, Chicago doesn't take you, I think you're a lock at NW. They'll probably care a lot more about these things since Chicago is their primary market.

True, but I have a fairly decent scholarship here at Michigan and I start to worry about whether a transfer to Northwestern would make any sense financially or not. At least I might be able to justify Chicago. Oh well, will probably send something to NU anyway and see how things play out.

For anybody: I know that scholarships for transfers are practically inexistent, but what about if you're technically transferring down from a higher school where you already have a substantial scholarship?

[lawloser22]

I think in your case it will definitely help a lot. Without these explanation I'm sure they'd be very suspicious of why you want to leave Michigan when most people would probably tell you you'd be better off staying put. This way they won't think you're just prestige whoring.

In most cases, I don't think it plays into it all that much. It seems that everyone has strong personal reasons for wanting to transfer, whatever they may be.

If, for whatever reason, Chicago doesn't take you, I think you're a lock at NW. They'll probably care a lot more about these things since Chicago is their primary market.

True, but I have a fairly decent scholarship here at Michigan and I start to worry about whether a transfer to Northwestern would make any sense financially or not. At least I might be able to justify Chicago. Oh well, will probably send something to NU anyway and see how things play out.

For anybody: I know that scholarships for transfers are practically inexistent, but what about if you're technically transferring down from a higher school where you already have a substantial scholarship?

It won't make a difference. I hope he's worth it.

[Coolgrnmen]

I think in your case it will definitely help a lot. Without these explanation I'm sure they'd be very suspicious of why you want to leave Michigan when most people would probably tell you you'd be better off staying put. This way they won't think you're just prestige whoring.

In most cases, I don't think it plays into it all that much. It seems that everyone has strong personal reasons for wanting to transfer, whatever they may be.

If, for whatever reason, Chicago doesn't take you, I think you're a lock at NW. They'll probably care a lot more about these things since Chicago is their primary market.

True, but I have a fairly decent scholarship here at Michigan and I start to worry about whether a transfer to Northwestern would make any sense financially or not. At least I might be able to justify Chicago. Oh well, will probably send something to NU anyway and see how things play out.

For anybody: I know that scholarships for transfers are practically inexistent, but what about if you're technically transferring down from a higher school where you already have a substantial scholarship?

It won't make a difference. I hope he's worth it.

Nobody is worth it and he's an idiot if he lets you downgrade schools...IMHO

[milenchik]

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[lawloser22]

Does anyone know what 1L grades will suffice to transfer from T1 ranked 26-30 to Loyola? What will surely get one in and what is the minimum?

Two things:

1. there are at least 3 loyolas.

2. wtf?

If you're talking about transferring down significantly then I guess top half to be safe, top 2/3rds might do it.

[milenchik]

Loyola in La (not in Chicago)

I understand it is strange to here such a thing but there are other personal issues involved.

Does anyone know what 1L grades will suffice to transfer from T1 ranked 26-30 to Loyola? What will surely get one in and what is the minimum?

Two things:

1. there are at least 3 loyolas.

2. wtf?

If you're talking about transferring down significantly then I guess top half to be safe, top 2/3rds might do it.