Serving Time in Ithaca (Cornell 2013) Forum

legallybrunette16 · Post by **legallybrunette16** » Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:23 pm

Can someone explain to me the difference between hornbooks and other study aids (such as Emanuel's Outline)?

Also, if you buy the E&Es, do you also typically buy the hornbook?

como · Post by **como** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:14 am

legallybrunette16 wrote:Can someone explain to me the difference between hornbooks and other study aids (such as Emanuel's Outline)?

Also, if you buy the E&Es, do you also typically buy the hornbook?

An E&E can be considered a really shitty hornbook. It just skims the surface of the material, although it makes the gist of the course readily digestible. A real hornbook should be about 1/3 to 1/2 the size of a casebook. Hornbooks are distillations of legal principles that flow in a more linear fashion than most casebooks. Hornbooks distinguish among nuances of law, but they probably don't capture all that your professor does if you're at a T14. You can think of a hornbook as a more practical guide to a field of law; the course is an in-depth journey into that field.

Emanuel's outlines are the most basic distillations of rules in a practice area. The outlines are not written like a text, but rather, like a bunch of rules. You'll learn what these are, but they are generally derived from holdings in cases.

Say, the NY court of appeals (NY's highest court) holds that a plaintiff's negligence does not bar a torts claim, but the amount the plaintiff can recover is proportionate to the amount the defendant is liable. That is comparative negligence. There will be different ways to assess this. Some jurisdictions will split liability proportionately. Some will bar a suit if the plaintiff is 50% or more negligent, etc. Basically, the outlines just capture these rules in brief sentences. They are pretty much worthless, unless you decide to slack off and go out many times a week.

holybartender · Post by **holybartender** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:27 am

For some reason all I can think about is how awesome it would be to have a boat on the lake. And beer.

vexion · Post by **vexion** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:52 am

holybartender wrote:For some reason all I can think about is how awesome it would be to have a boat on the lake. And beer.

You bring the boat, I'll bring the beer.

calicocat · Post by **calicocat** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:30 am

vexion wrote:
holybartender wrote:For some reason all I can think about is how awesome it would be to have a boat on the lake. And beer.
You bring the boat, I'll bring the beer.

I wanna be included.

let/them/eat/cake · Post by **let/them/eat/cake** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:38 am

holybartender wrote:For some reason all I can think about is how awesome it would be to have a boat on the lake. And beer.

speaking of which, Como--W. T. F. get me out on that boat son.

calicocat · Post by **calicocat** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:40 am

let/them/eat/cake wrote:
holybartender wrote:For some reason all I can think about is how awesome it would be to have a boat on the lake. And beer.
speaking of which, Como--W. T. F. get me out on that boat son.

I seem to remember you two having phones...

TLS seems like an odd place to communicate

Big Tuna · Post by **Big Tuna** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:36 am

vexion wrote:
holybartender wrote:For some reason all I can think about is how awesome it would be to have a boat on the lake. And beer.
You bring the boat, I'll bring the beer.

This sounds like a great idea, we should rent a pontoon or something for one of the first weekends

CCoolidge · Post by **CCoolidge** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:45 am

I just moved to Ithaca and Cayuga is overflowing with party boats

como · Post by **como** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:16 pm

let/them/eat/cake wrote:
holybartender wrote:For some reason all I can think about is how awesome it would be to have a boat on the lake. And beer.
speaking of which, Como--W. T. F. get me out on that boat son.

Maybe tomorrow or Friday?

Make sure Mitchell doesn't take a dump in my room.

Sgt. Pepper · Post by **Sgt. Pepper** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:30 pm

Just shooting in the dark here, but I'll be a Cornellian 1L this fall and was wondering if anyone's going to be up for some just-for-fun, yet moderately rigorous tennis while the weather permits. If so, let me know. Tennis is something I NEED to do.

jks289 · Post by **jks289** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:46 pm

Sgt. Pepper wrote:Just shooting in the dark here, but I'll be a Cornellian 1L this fall and was wondering if anyone's going to be up for some just-for-fun, yet moderately rigorous tennis while the weather permits. If so, let me know. Tennis is something I NEED to do.

I'm pretty lousy, but my husband is an avid tennis player who is looking for someone to play with. Have you found good courts? We have a few near our place, but couldn't asses the quality. I'll pm you.

CCoolidge · Post by **CCoolidge** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:00 pm

Sgt. Pepper wrote:Just shooting in the dark here, but I'll be a Cornellian 1L this fall and was wondering if anyone's going to be up for some just-for-fun, yet moderately rigorous tennis while the weather permits. If so, let me know. Tennis is something I NEED to do.

I am not in any way competitive but enjoy the sport. Just PM me or let me know when you want to play.

Ronaldo · Post by **Ronaldo** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 5:10 pm

Sgt. Pepper wrote:Just shooting in the dark here, but I'll be a Cornellian 1L this fall and was wondering if anyone's going to be up for some just-for-fun, yet moderately rigorous tennis while the weather permits. If so, let me know. Tennis is something I NEED to do.

I'm in.

klk · Post by **klk** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:47 pm

Sgt. Pepper wrote:Just shooting in the dark here, but I'll be a Cornellian 1L this fall and was wondering if anyone's going to be up for some just-for-fun, yet moderately rigorous tennis while the weather permits. If so, let me know. Tennis is something I NEED to do.

Definitely down!

pudge · Post by **pudge** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 7:40 pm

Sgt. Pepper wrote:Just shooting in the dark here, but I'll be a Cornellian 1L this fall and was wondering if anyone's going to be up for some just-for-fun, yet moderately rigorous tennis while the weather permits. If so, let me know. Tennis is something I NEED to do.

In too! Never got to play much in undergrad and missed it a lot.

mbw · Post by **mbw** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:35 pm

learn to play squash... much more convenient as the semester progresses...

afghan007 · Post by **afghan007** » Wed Aug 04, 2010 11:49 pm

mbw wrote:learn to play squash... much more convenient as the semester progresses...

should i buy my own racquet? i've never played before, but it seems like a good sport to pick up.. especially with the court in the law school

fsohn · Post by **fsohn** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:46 am

afghan007 wrote:
mbw wrote:learn to play squash... much more convenient as the semester progresses...
should i buy my own racquet? i've never played before, but it seems like a good sport to pick up.. especially with the court in the law school

Yes. Almost no one plays, so it's easy to get a spot, too. This probably doesn't matter to someone who's never played before, but keep in mind that it is a "hardball" or American squash court, and not the international style.

CCoolidge · Post by **CCoolidge** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:05 pm

Who is the person responsible for the fantasy league? I can't seem to find the thread...

Babushka9 · Post by **Babushka9** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:27 pm

I love squash so if anyone is up for it on a regular basis let me know!!

Also, this might be a long shot, but is anyone willing to let me store a small carload of items at their place for a week and possibly help me move into hughes? I'll be leaving my car at the airport for a week and i'm a bit worried about leaving everything in my car.
I'm willing to pay a fee. Please PM me if you can help or if you have any suggestions. Thanks!

calicocat · Post by **calicocat** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:18 pm

CCoolidge wrote:Who is the person responsible for the fantasy league? I can't seem to find the thread...

Think it might be Big Tuna

Big Tuna · Post by **Big Tuna** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 2:46 pm

calicocat wrote:
CCoolidge wrote:Who is the person responsible for the fantasy league? I can't seem to find the thread...
Think it might be Big Tuna

twas acdisagod

como · Post by **como** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 3:40 pm

If anyone is in Ithaca, a few of the 2Ls will be hitting the bars tomorrow night.

calicocat · Post by **calicocat** » Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:47 pm

Big Tuna wrote:
calicocat wrote:
CCoolidge wrote:Who is the person responsible for the fantasy league? I can't seem to find the thread...
Think it might be Big Tuna
twas acdisagod

Sorry, biased cause I see you around most.

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