biglaw layoff tracker Forum

[Anonymous User]

Not the creator of this website but feel like people can benefit from it. https://lawlayoffs.com/ Do submit intel if you are stealthed (looking at you WSGR asso) as it will help others

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[Anonymous User]

Gave my entire fucking existence at a v10. Got laid off for "Macro Economic Situations". Ice cold motherfuckers

Happened to the best of us. Don't feel too bad. At least they were honest. My ex firm made up bullshit reasons like job search (lack of loyalty - well I had good reasons to apply elsewhere based on what the firm did to me) and unclear performance issues. My review for the year before pointed out a few areas I need to improve. But after that review, I didn't have any new deal for several months as deals kept on dying. No chance at all to show any improvement.

[Anonymous User]

Gave my entire fucking existence at a v10. Got laid off for "Macro Economic Situations". Ice cold motherfuckers

Happened to the best of us. Don't feel too bad. At least they were honest. My ex firm made up bullshit reasons like job search (lack of loyalty - well I had good reasons to apply elsewhere based on what the firm did to me) and unclear performance issues. My review for the year before pointed out a few areas I need to improve. But after that review, I didn't have any new deal for several months as deals kept on dying. No chance at all to show any improvement.

I have heard of a lot of BL firms doing exactly what they did to you. For instance, giving untrue/vague "performance reviews" for something as benign as exploring other job opportunities, contending you are not "loyal" to the firm. Hilarious, because their loyalty to us never existed to begin with. Accordingly, the purpose behind this firing tactic is to intentionally terminate you "for cause", putting the firm in a position of power they would not have otherwise been in. When an employee is terminated "for cause", the firm has the legal ability to deny you severance pay all together, or scare you into taking a very small severance agreement because "you are lucky to have severance pay, given the fact that you were terminated for cause." Ultimately, they give you a small amount of money, and in exchange, you release them from any known or unknown potential liability related to your termination. The severance fine print states you cannot sue them down the road, even if they did violate the law in creating a fictitious set of facts to give rise to cause for the sole purpose of terminating you for their own monetary gain. It is a ugly time and I am praying things get better.

If you worked for me I'd fire you for cause for that post.

[SGTslaughter]

Gave my entire fucking existence at a v10. Got laid off for "Macro Economic Situations". Ice cold motherfuckers

Ice cold indeed, sorry homie. Is this a non-Kirkland V10? If so this is kinda big news.

[Anonymous User]

NYU just sent us 3Ls an email about delayed start dates and layoffs and reminding us about career resources. Seems to suggest there is some worry going on.

[Anonymous User]

Gave my entire fucking existence at a v10. Got laid off for "Macro Economic Situations". Ice cold motherfuckers

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[Anonymous User]

Gave my entire fucking existence at a v10. Got laid off for "Macro Economic Situations". Ice cold motherfuckers

Happened to the best of us. Don't feel too bad. At least they were honest. My ex firm made up bullshit reasons like job search (lack of loyalty - well I had good reasons to apply elsewhere based on what the firm did to me) and unclear performance issues. My review for the year before pointed out a few areas I need to improve. But after that review, I didn't have any new deal for several months as deals kept on dying. No chance at all to show any improvement.

I have heard of a lot of BL firms doing exactly what they did to you. For instance, giving untrue/vague "performance reviews" for something as benign as exploring other job opportunities, contending you are not "loyal" to the firm. Hilarious, because their loyalty to us never existed to begin with. Accordingly, the purpose behind this firing tactic is to intentionally terminate you "for cause", putting the firm in a position of power they would not have otherwise been in. When an employee is terminated "for cause", the firm has the legal ability to deny you severance pay all together, or scare you into taking a very small severance agreement because "you are lucky to have severance pay, given the fact that you were terminated for cause." Ultimately, they give you a small amount of money, and in exchange, you release them from any known or unknown potential liability related to your termination. The severance fine print states you cannot sue them down the road, even if they did violate the law in creating a fictitious set of facts to give rise to cause for the sole purpose of terminating you for their own monetary gain. It is a ugly time and I am praying things get better.

Although the severance they initially suggested was shit, I negotiated and the severance package I got after negotiation was super generous, even unbelievably so. I'm actually so much better off financially with this termination. My circumstances had unique aspects, so I don't think others can replicate this.

[Anonymous User]

Gave my entire fucking existence at a v10. Got laid off for "Macro Economic Situations". Ice cold motherfuckers

Happened to the best of us. Don't feel too bad. At least they were honest. My ex firm made up bullshit reasons like job search (lack of loyalty - well I had good reasons to apply elsewhere based on what the firm did to me) and unclear performance issues. My review for the year before pointed out a few areas I need to improve. But after that review, I didn't have any new deal for several months as deals kept on dying. No chance at all to show any improvement.

I have heard of a lot of BL firms doing exactly what they did to you. For instance, giving untrue/vague "performance reviews" for something as benign as exploring other job opportunities, contending you are not "loyal" to the firm. Hilarious, because their loyalty to us never existed to begin with. Accordingly, the purpose behind this firing tactic is to intentionally terminate you "for cause", putting the firm in a position of power they would not have otherwise been in. When an employee is terminated "for cause", the firm has the legal ability to deny you severance pay all together, or scare you into taking a very small severance agreement because "you are lucky to have severance pay, given the fact that you were terminated for cause." Ultimately, they give you a small amount of money, and in exchange, you release them from any known or unknown potential liability related to your termination. The severance fine print states you cannot sue them down the road, even if they did violate the law in creating a fictitious set of facts to give rise to cause for the sole purpose of terminating you for their own monetary gain. It is a ugly time and I am praying things get better.

If you worked for me I'd fire you for cause for that post.

But how much severance would you be legally required to give him? Whats the law say on legal requirements to pay severance after firing for a post?

[Anonymous User]

Gave my entire fucking existence at a v10. Got laid off for "Macro Economic Situations". Ice cold motherfuckers

Happened to the best of us. Don't feel too bad. At least they were honest. My ex firm made up bullshit reasons like job search (lack of loyalty - well I had good reasons to apply elsewhere based on what the firm did to me) and unclear performance issues. My review for the year before pointed out a few areas I need to improve. But after that review, I didn't have any new deal for several months as deals kept on dying. No chance at all to show any improvement.

I have heard of a lot of BL firms doing exactly what they did to you. For instance, giving untrue/vague "performance reviews" for something as benign as exploring other job opportunities, contending you are not "loyal" to the firm. Hilarious, because their loyalty to us never existed to begin with. Accordingly, the purpose behind this firing tactic is to intentionally terminate you "for cause", putting the firm in a position of power they would not have otherwise been in. When an employee is terminated "for cause", the firm has the legal ability to deny you severance pay all together, or scare you into taking a very small severance agreement because "you are lucky to have severance pay, given the fact that you were terminated for cause." Ultimately, they give you a small amount of money, and in exchange, you release them from any known or unknown potential liability related to your termination. The severance fine print states you cannot sue them down the road, even if they did violate the law in creating a fictitious set of facts to give rise to cause for the sole purpose of terminating you for their own monetary gain. It is a ugly time and I am praying things get better.

If you worked for me I'd fire you for cause for that post.

What do you mean here? Are you saying that if you find out that your associate applied to another job even when he's otherwise executing his tasks perfectly, you will fire him for cause? Doesn't make sense. If your associate is searching for other opportunities, you should ask him for the reasons. Then improve conditions at your firm so that the associate will want to stay. If he's been getting paid below market despite crushing work, increase his salary. If the issue is not enough work, give him more work. If the issue is job security, assure him that he has a secure place at the firm. If you can't do anything to resolve the associate's reasons for wanting to leave, then you can feel free to let him go, but be honest about it. The reason you will be letting him go is not that he's been job searching, the reason is really your firm's inability to do anything about his reasons for wanting to leave (e.g. can't generate enough work, don't have enough money, can't assure him that he won't get laid off).

You all know that in the US, you are an at will employee and can get fired at will except under some limited circumstances, right? The reason why firms stealth lay off employees by making a termination based actually on the firm's economic condition look like a performance related one has nothing to do with the law. It's because they think if they openly say that they are pushing you out because they don't have enough work to give you, then words will spread and other associates will learn that the firm's struggling - in which case, associates' morale will fall and more associates will want to voluntarily leave as they worry that what happened to the associate that's been laid off will happen to them as well.