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PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm

Don't really care about prestige, but partnership/career development opportunity would be nice (not gunning for partnership but I do think I could like the work and be down to climb the ladder).

Not really set on any practice area so being able to explore is a big consideration. Pretty set on Corporate/Finance but after my interviews, I'm starting to consider Rx. I'm still considering Cadwalader because finance seems interesting and it is in FiDi. I really liked the people at W&C as well as PH so I think those are my top two. Kirkland is, well, Kirkland. Dechert seemed like generic big law. Any input from people who have had experiences with any of the firms?

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by existentialcrisis » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:36 pm

Easily Kirkland unless you want some niche corporate practices w&c is better at.

The Rx angle especially points Kirkland.

Also k&e is better at the finance type practices than Cadwalader, except for securitization, which you don’t wanna do anywyas.

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm
Don't really care about prestige, but partnership/career development opportunity would be nice (not gunning for partnership but I do think I could like the work and be down to climb the ladder).

Not really set on any practice area so being able to explore is a big consideration. Pretty set on Corporate/Finance but after my interviews, I'm starting to consider Rx. I'm still considering Cadwalader because finance seems interesting and it is in FiDi. I really liked the people at W&C as well as PH so I think those are my top two. Kirkland is, well, Kirkland. Dechert seemed like generic big law. Any input from people who have had experiences with any of the firms?
Assuming this is all in NY?

White & Case is dog water imo, and apparently their summer program is greasy (check threads on here). Paul Hastings not very strong in NY. Would go KE especially because of their Rx group. Its stronger than W&C’s and if you’re going to work the same hours you might as well get paid more. KE also strong in M&A, funds (arguably best, definitely 1/2 with STB), and finance (slightly lesser extent on finance).

If you’re scared of KE b/c of its reputation, I would go to PH.

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:59 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:17 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm
Don't really care about prestige, but partnership/career development opportunity would be nice (not gunning for partnership but I do think I could like the work and be down to climb the ladder).

Not really set on any practice area so being able to explore is a big consideration. Pretty set on Corporate/Finance but after my interviews, I'm starting to consider Rx. I'm still considering Cadwalader because finance seems interesting and it is in FiDi. I really liked the people at W&C as well as PH so I think those are my top two. Kirkland is, well, Kirkland. Dechert seemed like generic big law. Any input from people who have had experiences with any of the firms?
Assuming this is all in NY?

White & Case is dog water imo, and apparently their summer program is greasy (check threads on here). Paul Hastings not very strong in NY. Would go KE especially because of their Rx group. Its stronger than W&C’s and if you’re going to work the same hours you might as well get paid more. KE also strong in M&A, funds (arguably best, definitely 1/2 with STB), and finance (slightly lesser extent on finance).

If you’re scared of KE b/c of its reputation, I would go to PH.
K&E arguably the best in funds? Discuss please (very interested).

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:59 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:17 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm
Don't really care about prestige, but partnership/career development opportunity would be nice (not gunning for partnership but I do think I could like the work and be down to climb the ladder).

Not really set on any practice area so being able to explore is a big consideration. Pretty set on Corporate/Finance but after my interviews, I'm starting to consider Rx. I'm still considering Cadwalader because finance seems interesting and it is in FiDi. I really liked the people at W&C as well as PH so I think those are my top two. Kirkland is, well, Kirkland. Dechert seemed like generic big law. Any input from people who have had experiences with any of the firms?
Assuming this is all in NY?

White & Case is dog water imo, and apparently their summer program is greasy (check threads on here). Paul Hastings not very strong in NY. Would go KE especially because of their Rx group. Its stronger than W&C’s and if you’re going to work the same hours you might as well get paid more. KE also strong in M&A, funds (arguably best, definitely 1/2 with STB), and finance (slightly lesser extent on finance).

If you’re scared of KE b/c of its reputation, I would go to PH.
K&E arguably the best in funds? Discuss please (very interested).
It’s either them or STB. STB has the names (KKR, Blackstone) but Kirkland has the volume (and some names, like Bain). I think KE raised something like 11/17 of the largest funds last year (though i may be conflating this with something else*) and they have more funds attorneys than the next 9 firms combined. They’re only going to continue to pull in more clients because they own a huge chunk of the market.

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:15 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:17 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm
Don't really care about prestige, but partnership/career development opportunity would be nice (not gunning for partnership but I do think I could like the work and be down to climb the ladder).

Not really set on any practice area so being able to explore is a big consideration. Pretty set on Corporate/Finance but after my interviews, I'm starting to consider Rx. I'm still considering Cadwalader because finance seems interesting and it is in FiDi. I really liked the people at W&C as well as PH so I think those are my top two. Kirkland is, well, Kirkland. Dechert seemed like generic big law. Any input from people who have had experiences with any of the firms?
Assuming this is all in NY?

White & Case is dog water imo, and apparently their summer program is greasy (check threads on here). Paul Hastings not very strong in NY. Would go KE especially because of their Rx group. Its stronger than W&C’s and if you’re going to work the same hours you might as well get paid more. KE also strong in M&A, funds (arguably best, definitely 1/2 with STB), and finance (slightly lesser extent on finance).

If you’re scared of KE b/c of its reputation, I would go to PH.

I’ve noticed people give white and case a lot of shit — aside from the recent summer program debacle, why does it get clowned so much?

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:24 pm

Kirkland > W&C > Dechert = PH > Cad

Go to K&E and if you hate it, you will always have the rest as options.

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:15 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:17 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm
Don't really care about prestige, but partnership/career development opportunity would be nice (not gunning for partnership but I do think I could like the work and be down to climb the ladder).

Not really set on any practice area so being able to explore is a big consideration. Pretty set on Corporate/Finance but after my interviews, I'm starting to consider Rx. I'm still considering Cadwalader because finance seems interesting and it is in FiDi. I really liked the people at W&C as well as PH so I think those are my top two. Kirkland is, well, Kirkland. Dechert seemed like generic big law. Any input from people who have had experiences with any of the firms?
Assuming this is all in NY?

White & Case is dog water imo, and apparently their summer program is greasy (check threads on here). Paul Hastings not very strong in NY. Would go KE especially because of their Rx group. Its stronger than W&C’s and if you’re going to work the same hours you might as well get paid more. KE also strong in M&A, funds (arguably best, definitely 1/2 with STB), and finance (slightly lesser extent on finance).

If you’re scared of KE b/c of its reputation, I would go to PH.

I’ve noticed people give white and case a lot of shit — aside from the recent summer program debacle, why does it get clowned so much?
Just my opinion/experience - folks I’ve met there were billing a tonnn of hours and nearly every story I’ve ever heard about the place has been exceedingly negative. If OP didn’t have other better options Id say go for it

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by ChickenSalad » Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:01 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:26 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:15 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:17 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm
Don't really care about prestige, but partnership/career development opportunity would be nice (not gunning for partnership but I do think I could like the work and be down to climb the ladder).

Not really set on any practice area so being able to explore is a big consideration. Pretty set on Corporate/Finance but after my interviews, I'm starting to consider Rx. I'm still considering Cadwalader because finance seems interesting and it is in FiDi. I really liked the people at W&C as well as PH so I think those are my top two. Kirkland is, well, Kirkland. Dechert seemed like generic big law. Any input from people who have had experiences with any of the firms?
Assuming this is all in NY?

White & Case is dog water imo, and apparently their summer program is greasy (check threads on here). Paul Hastings not very strong in NY. Would go KE especially because of their Rx group. Its stronger than W&C’s and if you’re going to work the same hours you might as well get paid more. KE also strong in M&A, funds (arguably best, definitely 1/2 with STB), and finance (slightly lesser extent on finance).

If you’re scared of KE b/c of its reputation, I would go to PH.

I’ve noticed people give white and case a lot of shit — aside from the recent summer program debacle, why does it get clowned so much?
Just my opinion/experience - folks I’ve met there were billing a tonnn of hours and nearly every story I’ve ever heard about the place has been exceedingly negative. If OP didn’t have other better options Id say go for it
Lol V20 is “dog water” bc you talked to busy associates and read TLS :roll:

OP, I’d probably say go to Kirkland with open eyes about the grind and…unique culture.

The rest are all about the same/it’s pretty close. You wouldn’t be crazy to choose any of the firms you mentioned

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:21 am

Cadwalader is a bit of a toxic firm and as someone who is “open” to practices, you’ll be primed to be shoved into their securitization practice which they are certainly renowned for but it is some of the most soul crushing work and you’ll likely burn out quickly. The only reason I would personally recommend Cadwalader with these types of offers is if you specifically wanted to do shareholder activism work and made that clear from the outset—however, the partner that heads that work is also a bit of an ass and greasy.

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by existentialcrisis » Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:03 am

ChickenSalad wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:01 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:26 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:15 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:17 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm
Don't really care about prestige, but partnership/career development opportunity would be nice (not gunning for partnership but I do think I could like the work and be down to climb the ladder).

Not really set on any practice area so being able to explore is a big consideration. Pretty set on Corporate/Finance but after my interviews, I'm starting to consider Rx. I'm still considering Cadwalader because finance seems interesting and it is in FiDi. I really liked the people at W&C as well as PH so I think those are my top two. Kirkland is, well, Kirkland. Dechert seemed like generic big law. Any input from people who have had experiences with any of the firms?
Assuming this is all in NY?

White & Case is dog water imo, and apparently their summer program is greasy (check threads on here). Paul Hastings not very strong in NY. Would go KE especially because of their Rx group. Its stronger than W&C’s and if you’re going to work the same hours you might as well get paid more. KE also strong in M&A, funds (arguably best, definitely 1/2 with STB), and finance (slightly lesser extent on finance).

If you’re scared of KE b/c of its reputation, I would go to PH.

I’ve noticed people give white and case a lot of shit — aside from the recent summer program debacle, why does it get clowned so much?
Just my opinion/experience - folks I’ve met there were billing a tonnn of hours and nearly every story I’ve ever heard about the place has been exceedingly negative. If OP didn’t have other better options Id say go for it
Lol V20 is “dog water” bc you talked to busy associates and read TLS :roll:

OP, I’d probably say go to Kirkland with open eyes about the grind and…unique culture.

The rest are all about the same/it’s pretty close. You wouldn’t be crazy to choose any of the firms you mentioned
I'm not sure it would be *crazy*, but I'm having trouble understanding how, as a 2L with general NY corporate/finance/restructuring goals, choosing Dechert or Cadwallader here would make sense.

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:34 pm

ChickenSalad wrote:
Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:01 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:26 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 11:15 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:17 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:53 pm
Don't really care about prestige, but partnership/career development opportunity would be nice (not gunning for partnership but I do think I could like the work and be down to climb the ladder).

Not really set on any practice area so being able to explore is a big consideration. Pretty set on Corporate/Finance but after my interviews, I'm starting to consider Rx. I'm still considering Cadwalader because finance seems interesting and it is in FiDi. I really liked the people at W&C as well as PH so I think those are my top two. Kirkland is, well, Kirkland. Dechert seemed like generic big law. Any input from people who have had experiences with any of the firms?
Assuming this is all in NY?

White & Case is dog water imo, and apparently their summer program is greasy (check threads on here). Paul Hastings not very strong in NY. Would go KE especially because of their Rx group. Its stronger than W&C’s and if you’re going to work the same hours you might as well get paid more. KE also strong in M&A, funds (arguably best, definitely 1/2 with STB), and finance (slightly lesser extent on finance).

If you’re scared of KE b/c of its reputation, I would go to PH.

I’ve noticed people give white and case a lot of shit — aside from the recent summer program debacle, why does it get clowned so much?
Just my opinion/experience - folks I’ve met there were billing a tonnn of hours and nearly every story I’ve ever heard about the place has been exceedingly negative. If OP didn’t have other better options Id say go for it
Lol V20 is “dog water” bc you talked to busy associates and read TLS :roll:

OP, I’d probably say go to Kirkland with open eyes about the grind and…unique culture.

The rest are all about the same/it’s pretty close. You wouldn’t be crazy to choose any of the firms you mentioned
more so because it’s just as much of a grind as any V10 but it’s not nearly as highly regarded…and again, never heard a positive story from there (including from actual associates I’ve spoken with - shocking, I know)

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Re: PH, W&C, Dechert, Kirkland, or Cad

Post by dyemond » Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:47 pm

Contrarian pick here—if you want rx, consider Ph. The group they just bought up from Stroock are legitimately great lawyers and good to work with, so ph acquired a tier1 rx team with that pick up.

Really don’t think w&c is the play here, and dechert and cwt shouldn’t be in this conversation.

If you’re a genuine gunner, take KE, otherwise PH is a solid result here.

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