S&C v. DPW v. PW v. Cleary v. Deb Forum

[Anonymous User]

Which should I choose for 2L SA?

Litigation/white collar

Have offers from first two, callbacks at the rest.

[Anonymous User]

Anyone of S&C DPW, PW - legit no differences in exits/prestige, just go w fit.

[Anonymous User]

Any of these is fine. Are you required to decide before OCI? Or can you check out other alternatives as well?

[Anonymous User]

They’re all about the same.

[Anonymous User]

Go to S&C if you want to be miserable around miserable people

[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

I would choose based on location. DPW and PW are in midtown, and S&C is in FiDi. So if you’re into living in Brooklyn or like FiDi, then S&C is convenient. But if you wanted to live uptown, S&C would be a pain in the ass.

I don’t think Cleary or Deb should really be in this conversation. Deb is good at white collar but there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to get that work. It’s like going to Proskauer for sports law.

[Anonymous User]

Is Deb that much better than PW or DPW at White Collar?

[Anonymous User]

I would choose based on location. DPW and PW are in midtown, and S&C is in FiDi. So if you’re into living in Brooklyn or like FiDi, then S&C is convenient. But if you wanted to live uptown, S&C would be a pain in the ass.

I don’t think Cleary or Deb should really be in this conversation. Deb is good at white collar but there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to get that work. It’s like going to Proskauer for sports law.

Personally, I have the opposite take. They're all band 1, so why choose working at the insufferable S&C if you can avoid it? Although I would rule out Deb if they're not guaranteeing you a spot on the WC team.

[Res Ipsa Loquitter]

I would choose based on location. DPW and PW are in midtown, and S&C is in FiDi. So if you’re into living in Brooklyn or like FiDi, then S&C is convenient. But if you wanted to live uptown, S&C would be a pain in the ass.

I don’t think Cleary or Deb should really be in this conversation. Deb is good at white collar but there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to get that work. It’s like going to Proskauer for sports law.

Personally, I have the opposite take. They're all band 1, so why choose working at the insufferable S&C if you can avoid it? Although I would rule out Deb if they're not guaranteeing you a spot on the WC team.

Personally I haven’t seen evidence that the people at DPW or Paul Weiss are better than the people at S&C, but YMMV

[Anonymous User]

I would choose based on location. DPW and PW are in midtown, and S&C is in FiDi. So if you’re into living in Brooklyn or like FiDi, then S&C is convenient. But if you wanted to live uptown, S&C would be a pain in the ass.

I don’t think Cleary or Deb should really be in this conversation. Deb is good at white collar but there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to get that work. It’s like going to Proskauer for sports law.

Personally, I have the opposite take. They're all band 1, so why choose working at the insufferable S&C if you can avoid it? Although I would rule out Deb if they're not guaranteeing you a spot on the WC team.

Personally I haven’t seen evidence that the people at DPW or Paul Weiss are better than the people at S&C, but YMMV

I did reference the band 1 rankings, but fuck I guess the TLS wisdom has spoken.

[Anonymous User]

Can someone explain why S&C gets the miserable reputation?

[Anonymous User]

I would choose based on location. DPW and PW are in midtown, and S&C is in FiDi. So if you’re into living in Brooklyn or like FiDi, then S&C is convenient. But if you wanted to live uptown, S&C would be a pain in the ass.

I don’t think Cleary or Deb should really be in this conversation. Deb is good at white collar but there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to get that work. It’s like going to Proskauer for sports law.

Counter-point: if you're working at S&C, you're better off living in FiDi. No way you'd want to be commuting from Brooklyn when you're billing S&C hours.

[Anonymous User]

I would choose based on location. DPW and PW are in midtown, and S&C is in FiDi. So if you’re into living in Brooklyn or like FiDi, then S&C is convenient. But if you wanted to live uptown, S&C would be a pain in the ass.

I don’t think Cleary or Deb should really be in this conversation. Deb is good at white collar but there’s no guarantee you’ll be able to get that work. It’s like going to Proskauer for sports law.

Personally, I have the opposite take. They're all band 1, so why choose working at the insufferable S&C if you can avoid it? Although I would rule out Deb if they're not guaranteeing you a spot on the WC team.

Personally I haven’t seen evidence that the people at DPW or Paul Weiss are better than the people at S&C, but YMMV

I did reference the band 1 rankings, but fuck I guess the TLS wisdom has spoken.

Lol who at S&C hurt you

[Anonymous User]

Can someone explain why S&C gets the miserable reputation?

I work at S&C, and this miserable reputation is quite unjustified IME. Probably originated in some TLS trope that gained a life of its own, or perhaps from an era before my time.

If I had to characterize S&C, it would probably be a mix of apathy and competence. Vast majority of the people I’ve met here are quite nice, not super enthusiastic about the work they do or the firm, but pretty good at what they do. But then again, maybe that describes any biglaw firm…

[Anonymous User]

Gonna go out on a limb and say that the last two years of crazy lateralling have destroyed any meaningful differences between most firms.

[Anonymous User]

Can someone explain why S&C gets the miserable reputation?

I work at S&C, and this miserable reputation is quite unjustified IME. Probably originated in some TLS trope that gained a life of its own, or perhaps from an era before my time.

If I had to characterize S&C, it would probably be a mix of apathy and competence. Vast majority of the people I’ve met here are quite nice, not super enthusiastic about the work they do or the firm, but pretty good at what they do. But then again, maybe that describes any biglaw firm…

It's def not as social as a Skadden or Latham (based on law school classmate anecdotes) but the vast majority of people I've met have been cordial and respectful. Def not markedly worse than the experiences my classmates are having any other big firm.