NYU EIW 2021 Forum

[Anonymous User]

How bad is it, if we're 20 screeners in and looking at zero callbacks so far?...

I think lots of firm interviewing yesterday haven't moved yest

But as far as like firms that did interviews on Tuesday, you think if you haven't heard yet that is a bad sign?

It might not be a bad sign, but definitely not a good sign. I have already had firms that interviewed me on Tuesday sending me dings.

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone received or heard of people receiving CBs from Milbank, Proskauer, or Cooley yet?

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone received or heard of people receiving CBs from Milbank, Proskauer, or Cooley yet?

Proskauer CB last night

[Anonymous User]

O'Melveny DC ding

[Anonymous User]

Willkie NY cb

when was your screener?

[Anonymous User]

O'Melveny DC ding

Likewise

[Anonymous User]

Has anyone received or heard of people receiving CBs from Milbank, Proskauer, or Cooley yet?

Proskauer CB last night

Mind sharing your interviewer's initials? Was it an AM or PM screener?

[Anonymous User]

DLA Piper cb

[Anonymous User]

Any news from Covington, Cleary, or Sidley NY?

[Anonymous User]

This form is collecting callback info:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Y6cCd0 ... UHHSQAuAzk

Results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 3-nDcXbJQ/

[Anonymous User]

anyone hear back from cleary ny? if so, when & interview initials?

[Kokusai]

Do firms send out callbacks all at once or in tranches?

[Anonymous User]

Latham CB

[Anonymous User]

DPW CB

[Anonymous User]

Weil ding

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone frustrated by OCS at all? Going into EIW they told me I had nothing to worry about except sifting through my double-digit offers as I was a strong interviewer and had top 10% gpa and Law Review. They even encouraged me to be less "safe" with my bidlist and bid on more selective firms. Ok, so that advice is not necessarily bad in aggregate, but now I am sitting at 2 callbacks, 7 rejections, and 16 ghosts from EIW. Meanwhile, OCS is still acting like I am in a good spot. I talked to them and they told me I was just "unlucky" this round and will certainly have tons of more callbacks piling up as well as a 80-90% callback to offer rate. I just... don't buy it. I think something is seriously wrong with my interviewing skills or application and OCS seems to think I am in a perfect position when clearly I am not. Given a 2/25 screener to offer rate with my grades I feel like I am heading towards a strikeout and OCS is pretending like everything is going great.

Edit: To add on, I think honestly what happened is that I am not as strong a candidate as OCS led me to believe and I was definitely too gullible/willing to accept their praise. After going through this process, it seems ridiculous that I truly believed Latham, for example, was a "safety" firm. I think what I need to do is start mass mailing those firms that I should have bid on during EIW instead of Cravath & Co.

[PerpetuallyMiserable]

To the individual bashing OCS (some of which I believe is very fair), do you have work experience or are you K-JD?

[Anonymous User]

After going through this process, it seems ridiculous that I truly believed Latham, for example, was a "safety" firm. I think what I need to do is start mass mailing those firms that I should have bid on during EIW instead of Cravath & Co.

(1) I'm not sure where you're waiting on, but it seems like a lot of callbacks have already gone out, so you should definitely start mass mailing! You are a strong candidate. It just isn't easy to get callbacks, or not as easy as OCS led on. There is no such thing as a safety. I struggled as much to get callbacks at firms below my GPA range as at firms above it.

(2) I am also frustrated with OCS as a lot of their advice proved faulty, at least in my experience.

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone frustrated by OCS at all? Going into EIW they told me I had nothing to worry about except sifting through my double-digit offers as I was a strong interviewer and had top 10% gpa and Law Review. They even encouraged me to be less "safe" with my bidlist and bid on more selective firms. Ok, so that advice is not necessarily bad in aggregate, but now I am sitting at 2 callbacks, 7 rejections, and 16 ghosts from EIW. Meanwhile, OCS is still acting like I am in a good spot. I talked to them and they told me I was just "unlucky" this round and will certainly have tons of more callbacks piling up as well as a 80-90% callback to offer rate. I just... don't buy it. I think something is seriously wrong with my interviewing skills or application and OCS seems to think I am in a perfect position when clearly I am not. Given a 2/25 screener to offer rate with my grades I feel like I am heading towards a strikeout and OCS is pretending like everything is going great.

Edit: To add on, I think honestly what happened is that I am not as strong a candidate as OCS led me to believe and I was definitely too gullible/willing to accept their praise. After going through this process, it seems ridiculous that I truly believed Latham, for example, was a "safety" firm. I think what I need to do is start mass mailing those firms that I should have bid on during EIW instead of Cravath & Co.

I thought it was common wisdom to take OCS's advices with a grain of salt ... they also provide "average GPA" data for firms by calculating the mean of highest and lowest GPA, not even weighted average, or median. All the peer schools have much more accurate data (e.g., CLS offers percentile of stone scholars (~3.4) data for each firm).

Some firms set lower GPA cutoffs but have higher requirements for resume (heavily prefer relevant work experience), and personality fit with the firm.

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone frustrated by OCS at all? Going into EIW they told me I had nothing to worry about except sifting through my double-digit offers as I was a strong interviewer and had top 10% gpa and Law Review. They even encouraged me to be less "safe" with my bidlist and bid on more selective firms. Ok, so that advice is not necessarily bad in aggregate, but now I am sitting at 2 callbacks, 7 rejections, and 16 ghosts from EIW. Meanwhile, OCS is still acting like I am in a good spot. I talked to them and they told me I was just "unlucky" this round and will certainly have tons of more callbacks piling up as well as a 80-90% callback to offer rate. I just... don't buy it. I think something is seriously wrong with my interviewing skills or application and OCS seems to think I am in a perfect position when clearly I am not. Given a 2/25 screener to offer rate with my grades I feel like I am heading towards a strikeout and OCS is pretending like everything is going great.

Edit: To add on, I think honestly what happened is that I am not as strong a candidate as OCS led me to believe and I was definitely too gullible/willing to accept their praise. After going through this process, it seems ridiculous that I truly believed Latham, for example, was a "safety" firm. I think what I need to do is start mass mailing those firms that I should have bid on during EIW instead of Cravath & Co.

Rising 3L. Need more info to contextualize your results. Which market(s) did you bid on primarily? Lit vs. corp? Latham NY and its ilk should be a slam dunk for you, especially if you lean towards corp. Bid exclusively DC and wanted only lit/reg? That's another proposition altogether. The latter route produces a chance of strikeout for anyone, although you should still get something based on your grades/LR.

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone frustrated by OCS at all? Going into EIW they told me I had nothing to worry about except sifting through my double-digit offers as I was a strong interviewer and had top 10% gpa and Law Review. They even encouraged me to be less "safe" with my bidlist and bid on more selective firms. Ok, so that advice is not necessarily bad in aggregate, but now I am sitting at 2 callbacks, 7 rejections, and 16 ghosts from EIW. Meanwhile, OCS is still acting like I am in a good spot. I talked to them and they told me I was just "unlucky" this round and will certainly have tons of more callbacks piling up as well as a 80-90% callback to offer rate. I just... don't buy it. I think something is seriously wrong with my interviewing skills or application and OCS seems to think I am in a perfect position when clearly I am not. Given a 2/25 screener to offer rate with my grades I feel like I am heading towards a strikeout and OCS is pretending like everything is going great.

Edit: To add on, I think honestly what happened is that I am not as strong a candidate as OCS led me to believe and I was definitely too gullible/willing to accept their praise. After going through this process, it seems ridiculous that I truly believed Latham, for example, was a "safety" firm. I think what I need to do is start mass mailing those firms that I should have bid on during EIW instead of Cravath & Co.

I thought it was common wisdom to take OCS's advices with a grain of salt ... they also provide "average GPA" data for firms by calculating the mean of highest and lowest GPA, not even weighted average, or median. All the peer schools have much more accurate data (e.g., CLS offers percentile of stone scholars (~3.4) data for each firm).

Some firms set lower GPA cutoffs but have higher requirements for resume (heavily prefer relevant work experience), and personality fit with the firm.

(same anon). Yeah in hindsight I was way too gullible. It is a good learning experience. Truth is, I think I wanted to believe I was a shoo-in so when OCS told me something to that effect, I was all too quick to believe them and run with it. Having now been humbled by this process, in the future I am going to try to be much better at evaluating advice. To anyone in the future reading this, learn from my mistake and bid on ACTUAL safeties in tandem with your targets and reaches. Just because you have the transcript/journal for a top firm does not mean you should/can only bid on those firms.

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone frustrated by OCS at all? Going into EIW they told me I had nothing to worry about except sifting through my double-digit offers as I was a strong interviewer and had top 10% gpa and Law Review. They even encouraged me to be less "safe" with my bidlist and bid on more selective firms. Ok, so that advice is not necessarily bad in aggregate, but now I am sitting at 2 callbacks, 7 rejections, and 16 ghosts from EIW. Meanwhile, OCS is still acting like I am in a good spot. I talked to them and they told me I was just "unlucky" this round and will certainly have tons of more callbacks piling up as well as a 80-90% callback to offer rate. I just... don't buy it. I think something is seriously wrong with my interviewing skills or application and OCS seems to think I am in a perfect position when clearly I am not. Given a 2/25 screener to offer rate with my grades I feel like I am heading towards a strikeout and OCS is pretending like everything is going great.

Edit: To add on, I think honestly what happened is that I am not as strong a candidate as OCS led me to believe and I was definitely too gullible/willing to accept their praise. After going through this process, it seems ridiculous that I truly believed Latham, for example, was a "safety" firm. I think what I need to do is start mass mailing those firms that I should have bid on during EIW instead of Cravath & Co.

Rising 3L. Need more info to contextualize your results. Which market(s) did you bid on primarily? Lit vs. corp? Latham NY and its ilk should be a slam dunk for you, especially if you lean towards corp. Bid exclusively DC and wanted only lit/reg? That's another proposition altogether. The latter route produces a chance of strikeout for anyone, although you should still get something based on your grades/LR.

Half DC, half NY. Gave the whole "leaning litigation, but open to corporate" speech as adviced by OCS. My bid list was atrociously optimistic though. 21 of the firms were 3.6+ and my 4 "safeties" were 3.4-3.6. And among my 3.6+ firms were mega reaches like Wachtell, Susman, Cravath, Williams & Connolly etc... I honestly think you could not construct a more selective list out of the bid selections given if you tried. My list prior to counseling was way more realistic. My mega reach was Cravath with DPW, SullCrom being my reaches and firms like Latham being my targets. OCS told me this was way too conservative and as a result constructed this monster list that I am now embarrassed I thought was a good idea.

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone frustrated by OCS at all? Going into EIW they told me I had nothing to worry about except sifting through my double-digit offers as I was a strong interviewer and had top 10% gpa and Law Review. They even encouraged me to be less "safe" with my bidlist and bid on more selective firms. Ok, so that advice is not necessarily bad in aggregate, but now I am sitting at 2 callbacks, 7 rejections, and 16 ghosts from EIW. Meanwhile, OCS is still acting like I am in a good spot. I talked to them and they told me I was just "unlucky" this round and will certainly have tons of more callbacks piling up as well as a 80-90% callback to offer rate. I just... don't buy it. I think something is seriously wrong with my interviewing skills or application and OCS seems to think I am in a perfect position when clearly I am not. Given a 2/25 screener to offer rate with my grades I feel like I am heading towards a strikeout and OCS is pretending like everything is going great.

Edit: To add on, I think honestly what happened is that I am not as strong a candidate as OCS led me to believe and I was definitely too gullible/willing to accept their praise. After going through this process, it seems ridiculous that I truly believed Latham, for example, was a "safety" firm. I think what I need to do is start mass mailing those firms that I should have bid on during EIW instead of Cravath & Co.

I thought it was common wisdom to take OCS's advices with a grain of salt ... they also provide "average GPA" data for firms by calculating the mean of highest and lowest GPA, not even weighted average, or median. All the peer schools have much more accurate data (e.g., CLS offers percentile of stone scholars (~3.4) data for each firm).

Some firms set lower GPA cutoffs but have higher requirements for resume (heavily prefer relevant work experience), and personality fit with the firm.

(same anon). Yeah in hindsight I was way too gullible. It is a good learning experience. Truth is, I think I wanted to believe I was a shoo-in so when OCS told me something to that effect, I was all too quick to believe them and run with it. Having now been humbled by this process, in the future I am going to try to be much better at evaluating advice. To anyone in the future reading this, learn from my mistake and bid on ACTUAL safeties in tandem with your targets and reaches. Just because you have the transcript/journal for a top firm does not mean you should/can only bid on those firms.

I know it's easy to blame OCS but respectfully, you're probably not good at interviewing as you think you are. In fact, I think it's safe to say you are actually bad if you can't covert when top 10% (plus law review) from NYU.

Instead of looking to shift blame, take ownership and work on your interviewing ASAP to convert the few CBs you do have.

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone frustrated by OCS at all? Going into EIW they told me I had nothing to worry about except sifting through my double-digit offers as I was a strong interviewer and had top 10% gpa and Law Review. They even encouraged me to be less "safe" with my bidlist and bid on more selective firms. Ok, so that advice is not necessarily bad in aggregate, but now I am sitting at 2 callbacks, 7 rejections, and 16 ghosts from EIW. Meanwhile, OCS is still acting like I am in a good spot. I talked to them and they told me I was just "unlucky" this round and will certainly have tons of more callbacks piling up as well as a 80-90% callback to offer rate. I just... don't buy it. I think something is seriously wrong with my interviewing skills or application and OCS seems to think I am in a perfect position when clearly I am not. Given a 2/25 screener to offer rate with my grades I feel like I am heading towards a strikeout and OCS is pretending like everything is going great.

Edit: To add on, I think honestly what happened is that I am not as strong a candidate as OCS led me to believe and I was definitely too gullible/willing to accept their praise. After going through this process, it seems ridiculous that I truly believed Latham, for example, was a "safety" firm. I think what I need to do is start mass mailing those firms that I should have bid on during EIW instead of Cravath & Co.

Rising 3L. Need more info to contextualize your results. Which market(s) did you bid on primarily? Lit vs. corp? Latham NY and its ilk should be a slam dunk for you, especially if you lean towards corp. Bid exclusively DC and wanted only lit/reg? That's another proposition altogether. The latter route produces a chance of strikeout for anyone, although you should still get something based on your grades/LR.

Half DC, half NY. Gave the whole "leaning litigation, but open to corporate" speech as adviced by OCS. My bid list was atrociously optimistic though. 21 of the firms were 3.6+ and my 4 "safeties" were 3.4-3.6. And among my 3.6+ firms were mega reaches like Wachtell, Susman, Cravath, Williams & Connolly etc... I honestly think you could not construct a more selective list out of the bid selections given if you tried. My list prior to counseling was way more realistic. My mega reach was Cravath with DPW, SullCrom being my reaches and firms like Latham being my targets. OCS told me this was way too conservative and as a result constructed this monster list that I am now embarrassed I thought was a good idea.

Same 3L. S&C, Cravath, and DPW are not (mega) reaches at all. I know people who got them with significantly lower GPAs than you (I assume you have ~3.7 based on "top 10%"). S&C does seem to be focusing more on fit compared to previous years, where they would auto offer someone with your grades. But again, you should still get something. If there's still time, reach out to any 3Ls or attorneys and ask for mock interviews.

Honestly, the bigger impediment right now is not the firms you are targeting (other than the likes of Susman/Wachtell/Williams & Connolly, which require absolute tippy-top grades), but rather the fact that you want to be a litigator. The hiring standards have diverged so much between lit and corp (for some firms) that it's like they are hiring for completely separate summer classes in terms of selectivity.

[Anonymous User]

Is anyone frustrated by OCS at all? Going into EIW they told me I had nothing to worry about except sifting through my double-digit offers as I was a strong interviewer and had top 10% gpa and Law Review. They even encouraged me to be less "safe" with my bidlist and bid on more selective firms. Ok, so that advice is not necessarily bad in aggregate, but now I am sitting at 2 callbacks, 7 rejections, and 16 ghosts from EIW. Meanwhile, OCS is still acting like I am in a good spot. I talked to them and they told me I was just "unlucky" this round and will certainly have tons of more callbacks piling up as well as a 80-90% callback to offer rate. I just... don't buy it. I think something is seriously wrong with my interviewing skills or application and OCS seems to think I am in a perfect position when clearly I am not. Given a 2/25 screener to offer rate with my grades I feel like I am heading towards a strikeout and OCS is pretending like everything is going great.

Edit: To add on, I think honestly what happened is that I am not as strong a candidate as OCS led me to believe and I was definitely too gullible/willing to accept their praise. After going through this process, it seems ridiculous that I truly believed Latham, for example, was a "safety" firm. I think what I need to do is start mass mailing those firms that I should have bid on during EIW instead of Cravath & Co.

I thought it was common wisdom to take OCS's advices with a grain of salt ... they also provide "average GPA" data for firms by calculating the mean of highest and lowest GPA, not even weighted average, or median. All the peer schools have much more accurate data (e.g., CLS offers percentile of stone scholars (~3.4) data for each firm).

Some firms set lower GPA cutoffs but have higher requirements for resume (heavily prefer relevant work experience), and personality fit with the firm.

(same anon). Yeah in hindsight I was way too gullible. It is a good learning experience. Truth is, I think I wanted to believe I was a shoo-in so when OCS told me something to that effect, I was all too quick to believe them and run with it. Having now been humbled by this process, in the future I am going to try to be much better at evaluating advice. To anyone in the future reading this, learn from my mistake and bid on ACTUAL safeties in tandem with your targets and reaches. Just because you have the transcript/journal for a top firm does not mean you should/can only bid on those firms.

I know it's easy to blame OCS but respectfully, you're probably not good at interviewing as you think you are. In fact, I think it's safe to say you are actually bad if you can't covert when top 10% (plus law review) from NYU.

Instead of looking to shift blame, take ownership and work on your interviewing ASAP to convert the few CBs you do have.

Sorry for the confusion. I did not mean to blame OCS. Rather, my point was I think there is something seriously wrong with my interviewing and or application and OCS keeps telling me there is not, which is very frustrating. I guess to sum it up in a weird way I am blaming OCS for not letting me take ownership. I want to improve, but it feels like I am talking to a brick wall when every counselor says I don't need to improve. Hopefully that makes sense. I understand why it can come off the way you stated, but I want to make clear I am 100% taking full responsibility for my performance. I am cognizant that this can come off as whiny/complainy and give the impression I feel I am "owed" a job, which I do not believe for the record.