I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal? Forum

(On Campus Interviews, Summer Associate positions, Firm Reviews, Tips, ...)
Forum rules
Anonymous Posting

Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.

Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
pineapple17

New
Posts: 5
Joined: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:27 pm

I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by pineapple17 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:56 am

So as the title says, I’m a summer associate at a large law firm. Im the only associate on a client team with a partner (just me and the partner). The partner keeps asking me to do things I don’t know how to do/have never done before (drafting agreements, drafting board consents, etc). It was stressful but fine until today when the partner had me a send out a board consent issuing founder stock for signature, and the client found two fairly major mistakes on it (think wrong number of shares and wrong pronouns-I’ve never met the client)… I’m not going to say the mistakes weren’t my fault because they totally were and I’ll own that, BUT shouldn’t the partner be reviewing my work as a summer associate?? Am I going crazy? Do summers normally email clients directly? This is the second time she’s had me do this… I feel really bad because I made these big mistakes but it’s also the first time I’ve even read this type of document, let alone drafted one…

BrainsyK

Bronze
Posts: 382
Joined: Mon Jul 18, 2016 5:37 am

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by BrainsyK » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:33 am

It's definitely not your fault. Whether or not you'll get blamed for it is another deal.

Ultramar vistas

Bronze
Posts: 320
Joined: Sat Jul 29, 2017 11:55 am

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by Ultramar vistas » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:52 am

Yeah that seems absolutely batshit to me. If the Partner didn’t review your work, then sending summer associate work product out feels like borderline malpractice.

Definitely a huge red flag if this is someone you’re going to be working with when you start at the firm. If it’s a big firm, I’d just stay the heck away from that partner starting now.

bana79

New
Posts: 17
Joined: Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:32 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by bana79 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:01 am

Ultramar vistas wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:52 am
Yeah that seems absolutely batshit to me. If the Partner didn’t review your work, then sending summer associate work product out feels like borderline malpractice.
This; it's been a while since I took professional responsibility but aren't attorneys literally required to review non-attorney work product like this?

Anonymous User
Posts: 432653
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:22 am

Ultramar vistas wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:52 am
Yeah that seems absolutely batshit to me. If the Partner didn’t review your work, then sending summer associate work product out feels like borderline malpractice.

Definitely a huge red flag if this is someone you’re going to be working with when you start at the firm. If it’s a big firm, I’d just stay the heck away from that partner starting now.
Yeah everyone else at the firm is great so that’s also why this experience is odd! and I’m not sure if she didn’t review it or if she was just being sloppy? But I feel like she would catch those mistakes if she had looked at it even halfway closely so I’m not sure…

Want to continue reading?

Register now to search topics and post comments!

Absolutely FREE!


legalpotato

Bronze
Posts: 219
Joined: Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:00 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by legalpotato » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:50 am

Very weird - even weird to be a first year in the same position as you

attorney589753

Bronze
Posts: 132
Joined: Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:42 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by attorney589753 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:16 pm

Guessing the partner just does not care about this client and his/her actions speak to that. Some partners will roll that way. Some people like working with those sorts of partners (get lots of experience early on) but I hated it. Agree with the other posters who suggested this is arguably professional malpractice (depends on the facts, wrong pronoun wouldn't be, wrong number of shares might be).

Anonymous User
Posts: 432653
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by Anonymous User » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:16 pm

OP I would try to get into another partner's workflow this summer. You don't want to be attached to a partner like this as it will clearly not get any better.

It's a huge red flag, to me at least, that there are no other associates on this deal team. In other words, there must be a reason she can't get other associates to do work for her and help out.

Get on some tasks and projects with others this summer if you can.

Excellent117

Bronze
Posts: 429
Joined: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:44 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by Excellent117 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:51 pm

attorney589753 wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:16 pm
Guessing the partner just does not care about this client and his/her actions speak to that. Some partners will roll that way. Some people like working with those sorts of partners (get lots of experience early on) but I hated it. Agree with the other posters who suggested this is arguably professional malpractice (depends on the facts, wrong pronoun wouldn't be, wrong number of shares might be).
The malpractice isn't necessarily even the mistakes, it's allowing attorney work product to be sent to a client that was prepared solely by a non-attorney without a licensed attorney ever reviewing it.

Want to continue reading?

Register for access!

Did I mention it was FREE ?


Wearthewildthingsr

New
Posts: 94
Joined: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:18 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by Wearthewildthingsr » Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:27 pm

Lol totally atypical. That is weird on the partner.

Also, tbh, those aren’t BIGGGGGGG OMFG mistakes that make you get heart palpitations. A little embarrassing but not a big deal. Does anyone else agree or am I just so jaded by all this shit that this doesn’t phase me.

Big fucking mistake is like missing a filing deadline or forgetting to collect signatures and holding up the entire deal. Or missing some operative doc. Or not getting money wired on the right day/right place.

This is just meh.

crazywafflez

Silver
Posts: 706
Joined: Sat Dec 23, 2017 8:02 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by crazywafflez » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:35 pm

You shouldn't be worried. The partner messed up. I would tell this partner that you would like them to check over your work in a nice way- like asking how you can improve etc. I'm really surprised they had you communicate with the client- as a first year, the partners I work for always check my stuff before sending it to a client. You didn't mess up though and this is on the partner- borderline malpractice it sounds like too.

User avatar
Dcc617

Gold
Posts: 2744
Joined: Mon Oct 13, 2014 3:01 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by Dcc617 » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:46 pm

I don’t think anyone cares about resolutions as long as they eventually get done.

Anonymous User
Posts: 432653
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:30 am

In this situation I would probably try and draft a first or second year and say hey partner is asking for this to go out and I have no idea what I'm doing, do you mind taking a look? I think (1) yes obviously unacceptable for summer associate work product to go to a client w/o someone having clicked on it but (2) who cares about rezzies so long as they aren't facially incorrect (would bet their org docs say they can issue these shares anyway). It's also possible that the partner looked at it, but not uncommon for them not to double check the factual stuff - they just assume that's correct.

Register now!

Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.

It's still FREE!


Anonymous User
Posts: 432653
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by Anonymous User » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:02 pm

I agree with the person who said the partner probably assumed the facts were correct and so didn't check them, particularly if getting the number of shares right required simply locating a number in doc A and entering it into doc B. If that was the case, then it's just dumb, careless error and on you. Same with pronouns. Not having met the client is not an excuse. If the name is ambiguous to you, google the person. Careless errors are the kiss of death so while this likely won't hurt you in the long run, it's a great learning experience.

thelawyler

Silver
Posts: 941
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:00 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by thelawyler » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:18 pm

Wearthewildthingsr wrote:
Tue Jul 13, 2021 5:27 pm
Lol totally atypical. That is weird on the partner.

Also, tbh, those aren’t BIGGGGGGG OMFG mistakes that make you get heart palpitations. A little embarrassing but not a big deal. Does anyone else agree or am I just so jaded by all this shit that this doesn’t phase me.

Big fucking mistake is like missing a filing deadline or forgetting to collect signatures and holding up the entire deal. Or missing some operative doc. Or not getting money wired on the right day/right place.

This is just meh.
I agree with this. This is not a big mistake. Internal resolutions can always get fixed too. Bigger fuck ups are like, filing something without permission, like a press release or a merger certificate prior to closing...

And contrary to what you students think, nobody gives a fuck about pronouns.

Anonymous User
Posts: 432653
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by Anonymous User » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:08 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:02 pm
I agree with the person who said the partner probably assumed the facts were correct and so didn't check them, particularly if getting the number of shares right required simply locating a number in doc A and entering it into doc B. If that was the case, then it's just dumb, careless error and on you. Same with pronouns. Not having met the client is not an excuse. If the name is ambiguous to you, google the person. Careless errors are the kiss of death so while this likely won't hurt you in the long run, it's a great learning experience.
It's a summer lol. Summers shouldn't be sloppy or lazy, but assuming the facts are right if a summer associate put them in is borderline malpractice if something is going straight to a client.

User avatar
cavalier1138

Moderator
Posts: 8007
Joined: Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:01 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by cavalier1138 » Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:50 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:02 pm
I agree with the person who said the partner probably assumed the facts were correct and so didn't check them, particularly if getting the number of shares right required simply locating a number in doc A and entering it into doc B. If that was the case, then it's just dumb, careless error and on you. Same with pronouns. Not having met the client is not an excuse. If the name is ambiguous to you, google the person. Careless errors are the kiss of death so while this likely won't hurt you in the long run, it's a great learning experience.
Dude. What partner in their right mind takes this approach with a junior associate, let alone a summer?

This is a learning opportunity, but not for the OP.

User avatar
bretby

Bronze
Posts: 452
Joined: Thu Oct 30, 2014 5:15 pm

Re: I’m a summer associate, but the only associate on a client team and made some big mistakes… is this normal?

Post by bretby » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:01 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:50 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:02 pm
I agree with the person who said the partner probably assumed the facts were correct and so didn't check them, particularly if getting the number of shares right required simply locating a number in doc A and entering it into doc B. If that was the case, then it's just dumb, careless error and on you. Same with pronouns. Not having met the client is not an excuse. If the name is ambiguous to you, google the person. Careless errors are the kiss of death so while this likely won't hurt you in the long run, it's a great learning experience.
Dude. What partner in their right mind takes this approach with a junior associate, let alone a summer?

This is a learning opportunity, but not for the OP.
I agree it's a terrible approach to take with a summer, but I don't know that partners I work with double-check all the facts in docs. I would be surprised to learn that partners are reviewing associate work with that level of attention - that seems very heavy-handed. There is some level of trust that the associates are capable of transcribing numbers/adjusting pronouns. So I do think it's a good lesson to learn, especially when that person starts as an associate.

Get unlimited access to all forums and topics

Register now!

I'm pretty sure I told you it's FREE...


Post Reply Post Anonymous Reply  

Return to “Legal Employment”