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Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:42 am

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/business- ... each-other

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-we ... icity-ploy

No other major sources have reported this - both law.com and ATL are silent on this. I am not in a firm yet, but how hard is it to be a minority in big law setting, do you feel like you are treated differently bc of your gender/ethnicity/sexual orientation?

I don't know what happened re DPW and that ex-associate, so obvs not sure if the associate's claims are all true.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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sry, typo in the title - associate, singular

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by lolwutpar » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:06 am

Not surprised. Biglaw is a breeding ground for casual racism (how many times have you heard the phrase "open the kimono"?) and institutional racism (minorities don't seem to make it to senior/partner ranks).

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:06 am
Not surprised. Biglaw is a breeding ground for casual racism (how many times have you heard the phrase "open the kimono"?) and institutional racism (minorities don't seem to make it to senior/partner ranks).
I don't think this is really a thing anymore. Maybe like 20 years ago.. but I've never heard someone say this. I think the only reference I've seen to this is in one of those "legal jargon" books.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:06 am
Not surprised. Biglaw is a breeding ground for casual racism (how many times have you heard the phrase "open the kimono"?) and institutional racism (minorities don't seem to make it to senior/partner ranks).
that's disheartening to hear, but not surprising

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by motojir » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:00 am

There is subtle racism in biglaw, along with a host of other toxic qualities. There's also reverse-racism at times. It's a profession of dog eat dog motherf-ckers trying to get a leg up on each other as they chase that partnership. That's why it's such a shitty place to work.

This lawsuit won't do anything but add to Paul Weiss's ppp.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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I read the title of the thread and spent 1.4 seconds trying to figure out how you could be a "former minority."

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by esther0123 » Fri Mar 26, 2021 7:44 am

lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:06 am
Not surprised. Biglaw is a breeding ground for casual racism (how many times have you heard the phrase "open the kimono"?) and institutional racism (minorities don't seem to make it to senior/partner ranks).
That actually reminds me that a partner at V3 (a white female partner, who purports to be a champion of minorities) used the phrase “open kimono” without realizing where that phrase came from. This just goes to show how ignorant big law can be about these issues and perpetuate stereotypes even unintentionally. I do follow that case and it looks like DPW is trying to bury the poor guy. They couldn’t settle this case out of court? Surprised it lasted so long.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:25 am
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:06 am
Not surprised. Biglaw is a breeding ground for casual racism (how many times have you heard the phrase "open the kimono"?) and institutional racism (minorities don't seem to make it to senior/partner ranks).
I don't think this is really a thing anymore. Maybe like 20 years ago.. but I've never heard someone say this. I think the only reference I've seen to this is in one of those "legal jargon" books.
While it's no longer common, I've def heard this phrase thrown around at least a couple times a year. When I first heard it as a junior, I was really taken aback because I thought I couldn't possibly have heard what I had heard. It still exists and I'm acutely aware of its use as a PoC.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.

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Bold hot take.

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I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
Hell, I'm a liberal white guy and still accidentally say "off the reservation" sometimes since I used to not even know the phrase was problematic. Starting to catch myself now to banish that one from my vocabulary. Pretty easy to say "off the rails" instead, which essentially means the same. I've literally never heard "open kimono" before though.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Sure, but let me humbly suggest a crazy alternative—why don't people just stop using the phrase?

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol
I'm half japanese and don't see anything racist about it. Seems like something UMC white people care about

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by lolwutpar » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:11 pm

cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:05 pm
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol
I'm half japanese and don't see anything racist about it. Seems like something UMC white people care about
Fuck off with being an arbiter of Asian-ness.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:06 am
I read the title of the thread and spent 1.4 seconds trying to figure out how you could be a "former minority."
you and me both

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by Anonymous User » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:17 pm

cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:05 pm
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol
I'm half japanese and don't see anything racist about it. Seems like something UMC white people care about
Yea gtfo dude, you don't speak for all us PoC. Also, let me take a wild guess as to what your non-japanese half is...

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by cisscum » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:18 pm

A
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:11 pm
cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:05 pm
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol
I'm half japanese and don't see anything racist about it. Seems like something UMC white people care about
Fuck off with being an arbiter of Asian-ness.
No u. asians trying to fit in with UMC whites are fine speaking for all of us so why can't I?

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by lolwutpar » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:19 pm

cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:18 pm
A
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:11 pm
cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:05 pm
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol
I'm half japanese and don't see anything racist about it. Seems like something UMC white people care about
Fuck off with being an arbiter of Asian-ness.
No u. asians trying to fit in with UMC whites are fine speaking for all of us so why can't I?
I don't care if you don't find it offensive. But you can fuck right off (and go fuck yourself) for insinuating if you find it racist then you must be a UMC white.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by cisscum » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:17 pm
cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:05 pm
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol
I'm half japanese and don't see anything racist about it. Seems like something UMC white people care about
Yea gtfo dude, you don't speak for all us PoC. Also, let me take a wild guess as to what your non-japanese half is...
Wow you sound real tolerant! I guess obama can't speak for black people then

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

Post by cisscum » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:23 pm

lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:19 pm
cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:18 pm
A
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:11 pm
cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:05 pm
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol
I'm half japanese and don't see anything racist about it. Seems like something UMC white people care about
Fuck off with being an arbiter of Asian-ness.
No u. asians trying to fit in with UMC whites are fine speaking for all of us so why can't I?
I don't care if you don't find it offensive. But you can fuck right off (and go fuck yourself) for insinuating if you find it racist then you must be a UMC white.
White or white adjacent (asians trying to be white). Actual asians don't care about this shit. Japan is a monoethnic state.

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:19 pm
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:17 pm
cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:05 pm
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:35 am
I know a senior associate who regularly uses “open kimono” internally and with OC to mean we are not hiding anything. Also “going off the reservation” to mean we are straying from the topic we meant to discuss. This is a liberal white guy in his mid 30s at a V10.
I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol
I'm half japanese and don't see anything racist about it. Seems like something UMC white people care about
Yea gtfo dude, you don't speak for all us PoC. Also, let me take a wild guess as to what your non-japanese half is...
Wow you sound real tolerant! I guess obama can't speak for black people then
don't speak =/= can't speak. take an lsat class, my guy

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Re: Davis Polk being sued by former minority associates

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cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:23 pm
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:19 pm
cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:18 pm
A
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:11 pm
cisscum wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:05 pm
lolwutpar wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:34 am
Anonymous User wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 10:51 am


I am on a transaction with a client that says open kimono a lot. What is the big deal. People need to get a thicker skin, c'mon.
Bold take. Who cares about racist language? Just get over it lol
I'm half japanese and don't see anything racist about it. Seems like something UMC white people care about
Fuck off with being an arbiter of Asian-ness.
No u. asians trying to fit in with UMC whites are fine speaking for all of us so why can't I?
I don't care if you don't find it offensive. But you can fuck right off (and go fuck yourself) for insinuating if you find it racist then you must be a UMC white.
White or white adjacent (asians trying to be white). Actual asians don't care about this shit. Japan is a monoethnic state.
Asians in Asia don't care about racism in the United States or Asian-American issues? Wow, what an insight!

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