Is White & Case an elite firm? Forum

[thepsychedelic]

So many bad posts ITT.

White & Case is elite in the sense that it's biglaw. That's it. That's all.

Cravath might not pay as much as WLRK, but it's the next most prestigious of the V100, if not the most prestigious. There's a reason it's always at number one on a prestige ranking.

There's a question whether Skadden is actually elite anymore and belongs in the V10, but I'll save that for another thread because I worry V11 Weil posters will misinterpret that to mean they belong in the V10 more than, say, Milbank.

And it's pretty embarassing that only two posters ITT realize that 1B = Band 1. I'm not sure why the first person to use 1B didn't just write B1 (maybe they had a stroke mid-post). But obviously the poster before me realized what was intended.

Ironically, this is a very bad post. You should clarify the context when you make a blanket statement like "it's the next most prestigious of the V100." The idea that Cravath is more prestigious than Williams & Connolly, Susman, or Kellogg Hansen (all in the V100) is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. Even if you're talking about New York corporate specifically, your blanket statement is unwarranted. S&C, DPW and so on are pretty close. If you talking about lit in any context, you're just wildly off base.

This sounds like either a faux gunner 2L who only looks at Vault, a Cravath groupie, a Cravath associate, or someone who is just very uninformed.

lol guys avenuem is just trolling, take a look at his post history in the Big Law learning curve thread. we're all well-aware that Cravath is just as prestigious as S&C/DPW, etc. and a step below the WLRK/Susman/Debevoise/MTOs of the world.

[Anonymous User]

Would there generally be any reason for someone to choose White & Case over v5? I’m guessing personal connections to the firm or “fit” may be a consideration but I’m wondering if there are any more general considerations to favour White & Case? Maybe it doesn’t work you as hard (relative to big law standards)? Honestly just curious.

[jsnow212]

So many bad posts ITT.

White & Case is elite in the sense that it's biglaw. That's it. That's all.

Cravath might not pay as much as WLRK, but it's the next most prestigious of the V100, if not the most prestigious. There's a reason it's always at number one on a prestige ranking.

There's a question whether Skadden is actually elite anymore and belongs in the V10, but I'll save that for another thread because I worry V11 Weil posters will misinterpret that to mean they belong in the V10 more than, say, Milbank.

And it's pretty embarassing that only two posters ITT realize that 1B = Band 1. I'm not sure why the first person to use 1B didn't just write B1 (maybe they had a stroke mid-post). But obviously the poster before me realized what was intended.

Ironically, this is a very bad post. You should clarify the context when you make a blanket statement like "it's the next most prestigious of the V100." The idea that Cravath is more prestigious than Williams & Connolly, Susman, or Kellogg Hansen (all in the V100) is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. Even if you're talking about New York corporate specifically, your blanket statement is unwarranted. S&C, DPW and so on are pretty close. If you talking about lit in any context, you're just wildly off base.

This sounds like either a faux gunner 2L who only looks at Vault, a Cravath groupie, a Cravath associate, or someone who is just very uninformed.

lol guys avenuem is just trolling, take a look at his post history in the Big Law learning curve thread. we're all well-aware that Cravath is just as prestigious as S&C/DPW, etc. and a step below the WLRK/Susman/Debevoise/MTOs of the world.

[Anonymous User]

So many bad posts ITT.

White & Case is elite in the sense that it's biglaw. That's it. That's all.

Cravath might not pay as much as WLRK, but it's the next most prestigious of the V100, if not the most prestigious. There's a reason it's always at number one on a prestige ranking.

There's a question whether Skadden is actually elite anymore and belongs in the V10, but I'll save that for another thread because I worry V11 Weil posters will misinterpret that to mean they belong in the V10 more than, say, Milbank.

And it's pretty embarassing that only two posters ITT realize that 1B = Band 1. I'm not sure why the first person to use 1B didn't just write B1 (maybe they had a stroke mid-post). But obviously the poster before me realized what was intended.

Ironically, this is a very bad post. You should clarify the context when you make a blanket statement like "it's the next most prestigious of the V100." The idea that Cravath is more prestigious than Williams & Connolly, Susman, or Kellogg Hansen (all in the V100) is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. Even if you're talking about New York corporate specifically, your blanket statement is unwarranted. S&C, DPW and so on are pretty close. If you talking about lit in any context, you're just wildly off base.

This sounds like either a faux gunner 2L who only looks at Vault, a Cravath groupie, a Cravath associate, or someone who is just very uninformed.

lol guys avenuem is just trolling, take a look at his post history in the Big Law learning curve thread. we're all well-aware that Cravath is just as prestigious as S&C/DPW, etc. and a step below the WLRK/Susman/Debevoise/MTOs of the world.

This is some high-level troll-inception. Trolololo.

[ExpOriental]

This is some high-level troll-inception. Trolololo.

Nope, even the name drips prestige.

The real ranking is something like this:

Plimpton>Debevoise>WLRK/W&C (both)/Dentons Krasnodar (just learned about it, extremely prestigious)>>>Skadden/Cravath/DLA Piper/the rest of the McFirms

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

Are you a Shotkin Zhang associate or something? S&Z is decent, but its not that good. OP, for the most accurate list of the elite of the elite, look at the 2021 Acritas Global Elite Law Firm Index. DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie topped the list this year. They're like the HYS of law firms (DLA Piper is Yale in this analogy).

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

Are you a Shotkin Zhang associate or something? S&Z is decent, but its not that good. OP, for the most accurate list of the elite of the elite, look at the 2021 Acritas Global Elite Law Firm Index. DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie topped the list this year. They're like the HYS of law firms (DLA Piper is Yale in this analogy).

Lol classic DLA piper mid-level shit post - at S&Z you get to do substantive work instead of doc review/due dilligence shit any undergrad could do + above market bonus.

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

Are you a Shotkin Zhang associate or something? S&Z is decent, but its not that good. OP, for the most accurate list of the elite of the elite, look at the 2021 Acritas Global Elite Law Firm Index. DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie topped the list this year. They're like the HYS of law firms (DLA Piper is Yale in this analogy).

Lol classic DLA piper mid-level shit post - at S&Z you get to do substantive work instead of doc review/due dilligence shit any undergrad could do + above market bonus.

Sounds like you're just legitimately envious. S&Z regularly dips to cum laude at HLS (LOL). DLA Piper has the most favorable double feeder clerk: DC circuit: law review: HLS magna/Yale/Princeton Law Coif ratio in the Acritas Top 5, year in year out.

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

Are you a Shotkin Zhang associate or something? S&Z is decent, but its not that good. OP, for the most accurate list of the elite of the elite, look at the 2021 Acritas Global Elite Law Firm Index. DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie topped the list this year. They're like the HYS of law firms (DLA Piper is Yale in this analogy).

Lol classic DLA piper mid-level shit post - at S&Z you get to do substantive work instead of doc review/due dilligence shit any undergrad could do + above market bonus.

Sounds like you're just legitimately envious. S&Z regularly dips to cum laude at HLS (LOL). DLA Piper has the most favorable double feeder clerk: DC circuit: law review: HLS magna/Yale/Princeton Law Coif ratio in the Acritas Top 5, year in year out.

I mean, S&Z partners were at RBG's funeral, I didn't see DLA piper or White & Cases repped at all. Keep that in mind OP

[Iowahawk]

This is some high-level troll-inception. Trolololo.

Nope, even the name drips prestige.

The real ranking is something like this:

Plimpton>Debevoise>WLRK/W&C (both)/Dentons Krasnodar (just learned about it, extremely prestigious)>>>Skadden/Cravath/DLA Piper/the rest of the McFirms

I also quibble with this, while Krasnodar is obviously the best Dentons office it's more of a first among equals, not unusually strong, especially when you consider Lusaka, Nur-Sultan, and Yangon. The military law practice at the latter has really boomed recently. And its new offices will completely dominate the biglaw markets in Ames, Jasper, and Lehi. WLRK and Williams & Connolly have a mere one office each, not prestigious at all. White & Case isn't great either but at least it has a Nur-Sultan presence.

[Anonymous User]

This is some high-level troll-inception. Trolololo.

Nope, even the name drips prestige.

The real ranking is something like this:

Plimpton>Debevoise>WLRK/W&C (both)/Dentons Krasnodar (just learned about it, extremely prestigious)>>>Skadden/Cravath/DLA Piper/the rest of the McFirms

Decent ranking, though your omission of Shotkin Zhang is glaring — it should go right under Debevoise and above WLRK

[ExpOriental]

This is some high-level troll-inception. Trolololo.

Nope, even the name drips prestige.

The real ranking is something like this:

Plimpton>Debevoise>WLRK/W&C (both)/Dentons Krasnodar (just learned about it, extremely prestigious)>>>Skadden/Cravath/DLA Piper/the rest of the McFirms

Decent ranking, though your omission of Shotkin Zhang is glaring — it should go right under Debevoise and above WLRK

This really demonstrates why certain people should be listening instead of talking in threads like this.

For those in the know, it's old news that S&Z quietly merged with WLRK a couple years back. WLRK needed S&Z to shore up its finances, and S&Z needed a quick rebrand after Shotkin got disbarred.

It really was a match made in heaven because WLRK and S&Z were already using the same billing model. So now WLRK is getting 3-4% of every M&A deal and green card marriage that comes through its doors.

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

Are you a Shotkin Zhang associate or something? S&Z is decent, but its not that good. OP, for the most accurate list of the elite of the elite, look at the 2021 Acritas Global Elite Law Firm Index. DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie topped the list this year. They're like the HYS of law firms (DLA Piper is Yale in this analogy).

Lol classic DLA piper mid-level shit post - at S&Z you get to do substantive work instead of doc review/due dilligence shit any undergrad could do + above market bonus.

Sounds like you're just legitimately envious. S&Z regularly dips to cum laude at HLS (LOL). DLA Piper has the most favorable double feeder clerk: DC circuit: law review: HLS magna/Yale/Princeton Law Coif ratio in the Acritas Top 5, year in year out.

I mean, S&Z partners were at RBG's funeral, I didn't see DLA piper or White & Cases repped at all. Keep that in mind OP

She was buried next to a Weil partner. Weil > S&Z in terms of underground prestige.

[Anonymous User]

This is some high-level troll-inception. Trolololo.

Nope, even the name drips prestige.

The real ranking is something like this:

Plimpton>Debevoise>WLRK/W&C (both)/Dentons Krasnodar (just learned about it, extremely prestigious)>>>Skadden/Cravath/DLA Piper/the rest of the McFirms

Decent ranking, though your omission of Shotkin Zhang is glaring — it should go right under Debevoise and above WLRK

This really demonstrates why certain people should be listening instead of talking in threads like this.

For those in the know, it's old news that S&Z quietly merged with WLRK a couple years back. WLRK needed S&Z to shore up its finances, and S&Z needed a quick rebrand after Shotkin got disbarred.

It really was a match made in heaven because WLRK and S&Z were already using the same billing model. So now WLRK is getting 3-4% of every M&A deal and green card marriage that comes through its doors.

Not to mention WLRK has adopted S&Z's "if you try to leave we threaten your family" rotational system (apparently its rough but you do v interesting work).

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

Are you a Shotkin Zhang associate or something? S&Z is decent, but its not that good. OP, for the most accurate list of the elite of the elite, look at the 2021 Acritas Global Elite Law Firm Index. DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie topped the list this year. They're like the HYS of law firms (DLA Piper is Yale in this analogy).

Lol classic DLA piper mid-level shit post - at S&Z you get to do substantive work instead of doc review/due dilligence shit any undergrad could do + above market bonus.

Sounds like you're just legitimately envious. S&Z regularly dips to cum laude at HLS (LOL). DLA Piper has the most favorable double feeder clerk: DC circuit: law review: HLS magna/Yale/Princeton Law Coif ratio in the Acritas Top 5, year in year out.

I mean, S&Z partners were at RBG's funeral, I didn't see DLA piper or White & Cases repped at all. Keep that in mind OP

You know what? I'm tired of people who have never even worked in our firm trash talk us just because they're legitimately envious. So what if DLA Piper has a culture of perfection and a rotation system that gives you real mentorship, unlike TTT firms like S&Z? That doesn't give you the right to badmouth us. I mean, there's a reason why we're always ranked in the Acritas Top 3. There's a reason why we have the highest concentration of Princeton Coif Srinivasan clerks in the country. People keep saying "you'll just work a gazillion more hours for the same pay at DLA Piper" but that's a myth. All the big firms will work you to the ground.

[ExpOriental]

You know what? I'm tired of people who have never even worked in our firm trash talk us just because they're legitimately envious. So what if DLA Piper has a culture of perfection and a rotation system that gives you real mentorship, unlike TTT firms like S&Z? That doesn't give you the right to badmouth us. I mean, there's a reason why we're always ranked in the Acritas Top 3. There's a reason why we have the highest concentration of Princeton Coif Srinivasan clerks in the country. People keep saying "you'll just work a gazillion more hours for the same pay at DLA Piper" but that's a myth. All the big firms will work you to the ground.

IDK what a Srinivasan is, but this sounds like why I'm attracted (not in a sexual way) to Dentons.

I'm a 1L and unabashedly came into law school with the dream of working at Dentons. The firm's stubborn dedication to lockstep, refusal to expand geographically, and uber-perfectionist culture are major selling points for me, though I know they are turn-offs for most people.

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

Are you a Shotkin Zhang associate or something? S&Z is decent, but its not that good. OP, for the most accurate list of the elite of the elite, look at the 2021 Acritas Global Elite Law Firm Index. DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie topped the list this year. They're like the HYS of law firms (DLA Piper is Yale in this analogy).

Lol classic DLA piper mid-level shit post - at S&Z you get to do substantive work instead of doc review/due dilligence shit any undergrad could do + above market bonus.

Sounds like you're just legitimately envious. S&Z regularly dips to cum laude at HLS (LOL). DLA Piper has the most favorable double feeder clerk: DC circuit: law review: HLS magna/Yale/Princeton Law Coif ratio in the Acritas Top 5, year in year out.

I mean, S&Z partners were at RBG's funeral, I didn't see DLA piper or White & Cases repped at all. Keep that in mind OP

Also, haven't you heard of SCOTUS prestige rankings? Like duh, of course not, you work at S&Z. Everyone knows the top 10% of Srinivasan clerks get Kagan clerkships. RBG, Sotomayor, Breyer would fight for the rest. Afterwards, the top 10% of Kagan clerks would maybe get screeners at DLA Piper.

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

Are you a Shotkin Zhang associate or something? S&Z is decent, but its not that good. OP, for the most accurate list of the elite of the elite, look at the 2021 Acritas Global Elite Law Firm Index. DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie topped the list this year. They're like the HYS of law firms (DLA Piper is Yale in this analogy).

Lol classic DLA piper mid-level shit post - at S&Z you get to do substantive work instead of doc review/due dilligence shit any undergrad could do + above market bonus.

Sounds like you're just legitimately envious. S&Z regularly dips to cum laude at HLS (LOL). DLA Piper has the most favorable double feeder clerk: DC circuit: law review: HLS magna/Yale/Princeton Law Coif ratio in the Acritas Top 5, year in year out.

I mean, S&Z partners were at RBG's funeral, I didn't see DLA piper or White & Cases repped at all. Keep that in mind OP

Also, haven't you heard of SCOTUS prestige rankings? Like duh, of course not, you work at S&Z. Everyone knows the top 10% of Srinivasan clerks get Kagan clerkships. RBG, Sotomayor, Breyer would fight for the rest. Afterwards, the top 10% of Kagan clerks would maybe get screeners at DLA Piper.

Lol this defines ignorance - S&Z is the Consovoy of NY, we only send clerks to FedSoc feeders like Bibas/Ho then to ALito/Thomas/Gorsuch. Are you a troll or this misinformed?

[Anonymous User]

To bring this thread back to OP's question, I'd say White and Case is sort of stuck in the middle - it's less prestigious than say a Shotkin Zhang but more prestigious than a Weil or Cleary, firms that don't really have an identity or foothold in the NY market.

Are you a Shotkin Zhang associate or something? S&Z is decent, but its not that good. OP, for the most accurate list of the elite of the elite, look at the 2021 Acritas Global Elite Law Firm Index. DLA Piper, Dentons, and Baker McKenzie topped the list this year. They're like the HYS of law firms (DLA Piper is Yale in this analogy).

Lol classic DLA piper mid-level shit post - at S&Z you get to do substantive work instead of doc review/due dilligence shit any undergrad could do + above market bonus.

Sounds like you're just legitimately envious. S&Z regularly dips to cum laude at HLS (LOL). DLA Piper has the most favorable double feeder clerk: DC circuit: law review: HLS magna/Yale/Princeton Law Coif ratio in the Acritas Top 5, year in year out.

I mean, S&Z partners were at RBG's funeral, I didn't see DLA piper or White & Cases repped at all. Keep that in mind OP

Also, haven't you heard of SCOTUS prestige rankings? Like duh, of course not, you work at S&Z. Everyone knows the top 10% of Srinivasan clerks get Kagan clerkships. RBG, Sotomayor, Breyer would fight for the rest. Afterwards, the top 10% of Kagan clerks would maybe get screeners at DLA Piper.

Lol this defines ignorance - S&Z is the Consovoy of NY, we only send clerks to FedSoc feeders like Bibas/Ho then to ALito/Thomas/Gorsuch. Are you a troll or this misinformed?

OK maybe S&Z sends to Bibas etc but DLA Piper only sends clerks to Pryor, Kethledge and Wilkinson (on top of Srinivasan and, until recently, Garland). Even our FedSoc clerks pawn your FedSoc clerks.

[beepboopbeep]

Anons, you have beaten a once-moderately-funny meme so far into the ground you've hit Fiji. Congrats.

[Anonymous User]

Anons, you have beaten a once-moderately-funny meme so far into the ground you've hit Fiji. Congrats.

True, but there's a serious point here. Lawyers/law students care so much about brass rings that it's become satire.

[riptide123]

Sooooo from all of this it seems White and Case is big law - good to know